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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Amy still milking the Duggar name![/quote]
Yeah I remember BITD of the show that everyone called her “Fame-y” and it was obvious that she was trying to build a career off her appearances on it but I really did appreciate her perspective and that of her mother in this. And the Holts! Could have had much more from the Holts. I couldn’t tell where they were right now - obviously they are extremely anti-Josh and it seemed very anti-Jim Bob but they may not have thrown out the whole IBLP stuff with them?

I thought it was really interesting that everyone who was married was interviewed together alongside their spouses. I wanted to hear more from the one young couple who married as teens while in the movement and now we’re both out of it and still together. Sounds like that would be a good story.[/quote]

The Holts:

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/former-duggar-friend-bobye-holt-granted-protection-order/[/quote]
Wow, I hope she’s OK. A protection order without divorce proceedings seems unusual.

If the Duggars didn’t tell the Holts that Josh molested his sisters, how did they find out?[/quote]
DP. A few years ago I read an AMA from a guy who grew up with the Duggars. He said that a lot of people in their community knew about what he did and they sent him to some like work camp or something as punishment where his head was shaved. I’m sure it was framed as he just stumbled the same way they would explain away someone his age watching porn. [/quote]

NP I read that AMA too. It was also why he had the courtship that fell through and ended up with Anna. As the first son of a wealthy, famous family you'd expect him to marry a girl from one of the more prominent families, but they weren't keen to turn their daughter over to a known abuser. Anna and her family knew for sure, but they were super poor living in a trailer in Florida and probably viewed it like marrying into royalty, regardless of the abuse. It sounded like, as much as I think this community enabled Joh, there were some people who took this "stumble" more seriously, at least in as it pertained to their own famimlies. [/quote]

This is why I am puzzled why people wonder about Ana staying loyal to the Duggars. Of course she is going to be loyal. She grew up in such poverty that living on the Duggar compound is luxurious. She can live on the Duggar compound and gets help with her 7 kids. She no longer has to be intimate with the slimy husband who won't be around for years. [/quote]

She is brainwashed. She’s in a cult. I think her world is very black and white and I think if she leaves she think she’s going to hell. I didn’t catch her name, but the blonde woman who didn’t leave her husband until he followed her around for four hours with a log threatening to kill her? She left, and something told her to get a house, when he came back out again. That’s when she left him. She suffered years and years of abuse.

I watched the documentary last night. And a lot of it just rang too close to home. My church believed in courtship, [b]the umbrella of command (although that is a main stream and common teaching, go to what extent?)[/b], no dating. There was a lot of shame, and there was a lot of responsibility put on young women to not be tempting to men. So an emphasis on modest dressing, etc.. But as far as I know there wasn’t any blanket training or severe corporal punishment. Although [b]I did get spanked, those were the 80s, everybody did.[/b] I also knew the name, Bill Gothard from very early on, but I don’t know what context it was in. It was negative but I don’t know how my church was involved. I only knew she was a bad figure once I was in my 30s.

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The "umbrella of authority" is by no means a mainstream and common teaching.

Not everyone in the 80s was spanked, not by a long shot.

You grew up in a fundamentalist community.[/quote]

OK, everybody got spanked. It was very common though.

As far as the [b]umbrella of authority, Christ is over the man who is over the wife and child. That wasn’t a common teaching?[/b] I’m not talking about the enforcement of it, but the actual teaching of it?  That’s probably a question for the religion forum or for theologians.[/quote]

I grew up in a mainstream Christian home and had never heard of this teaching until the Duggars.  It's not common, possibly because the concept of "authority" over others isn't common in mainstream Christianity.

(Then again, Gothard/IBLP teachings aren't Christian.)[/quote]

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