Teacher not following accommodations

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will always attend to the accommodations that are documented. I do think many parents would be surprised to find out how much of the time their child does not use or take advantage of the things that have been set up for them

Have you considered that the child might be afraid to ask for the accommodations if they’re not being given? It’s intimidating with the child teacher dynamic.

Yes, because the teacher does not have anything else to think about. It's hard enough in elementary school--but, please remember that high school teachers are dealing with around 100 students.

More like 150 students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will always attend to the accommodations that are documented. I do think many parents would be surprised to find out how much of the time their child does not use or take advantage of the things that have been set up for them

Have you considered that the child might be afraid to ask for the accommodations if they’re not being given? It’s intimidating with the child teacher dynamic.

By high school, they need to be asking for the accommodation. I'd say they should even be doing that in middle school as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the teacher who gives up lunch and makes herself available before and after school -thank you. And to the entitled, demanding parent- you aren’t doing your child any favors expecting the world to revolve around your child.

My son has extra time and I don’t want him missing class. So the crazy parent who thinks her child shouldn’t have to give up anything to get the extra time doesn’t represent all parents. If there is a test 1st period I expect my son to get to school 30 minutes early to start taking the test. I make him email his teachers to ask if this will work for them and that usually works for them. If he has a test after lunch I expect he will start the test early at lunch.

It really isn’t fair for a student to start a test, see the questions, then be permitted to go home and study those questions then finish the following day when almost all the other students can’t do that. I think it also ends up being stressful for students to have uncompleted tests they have to finish. This is another reason why I tell my son he needs to finish his test the same day it is given.

You do realize that not everyone is privileged to be able to get to school 30 minutes early or stay 30 minutes later? How would your child get to school 30 minutes early? I presume you have to drive him? Not all parents would be able to do this. And how about 30 minutes after school? The late buses leave way too late. I need my kid home right after school to begin working on the homework which takes them twice as long as everyone else. My kid can’t wait for the late bus or they would lose too much time. I also don’t expect my child to have to continue working on a test at lunch. That’s their break time. Similarly, I won’t ask a teacher to give up his/her lunch to do work. That’s martyrdom.

The only solutions I can see are: the kid uses the next study hall period to finish up the test, which could end up being the next day. Or the test is modified so my child can complete it in the same time as everyone else. I agree missing the next class period of new instruction doesn’t work, creating a cycle in which the child is behind.

If it’s an essay based test, have the child turn in an outline and whatever was completed for the period. The teacher can look at it to see what the student accomplished already. Maybe grade that part. And then have the student take it home to finish.

This is one of the largest problems I encounter with parents in this area when they come to my office. There's not a true understanding of what your child is entitled to under the law. First, if you have extra time under a 504, modifying an assignment is not appropriate. 504s are for accommodations not modifications. Extra time is an accommodation; changing an assignment is a modification. A teacher should not be changing an assignment to accommodate unless it's to support a modification of curriculum and/or they are doing that for the entire class. Second, the school has to provide reasonable accommodations or modifications to ensure that your child is receiving FAPE. The school simply has to provide extra time. They have to work with the student and/or parent to find that time. If the parent were to complain and demand that extra time has to be done in xyz way, they'd be wrong. As long as the school can prove that they've offered several varied times, they are providing the accommodation. Now, if a teacher is saying, "No, extra time for you," that's a violation. Now, I do advocate that extra time not be given before school since, as you pointed out, not everyone can get to school early; however, if your school provides after school transportation--fair game.

[Anonymous]

Just understand that if your child gets used to these accommodations, they might not have them in college. My neighbor works in a university and she was telling me that unless your kid has an IEP, they probably won’t get accommodations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just understand that if your child gets used to these accommodations, they might not have them in college. My neighbor works in a university and she was telling me that unless your kid has an IEP, they probably won’t get accommodations.

What accommodations do they get when they get a job?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just understand that if your child gets used to these accommodations, they might not have them in college. My neighbor works in a university and she was telling me that unless your kid has an IEP, they probably won’t get accommodations.

What accommodations do they get when they get a job?

That is a conversation between HR and their supervisor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just understand that if your child gets used to these accommodations, they might not have them in college. My neighbor works in a university and she was telling me that unless your kid has an IEP, they probably won’t get accommodations.

That must be specific to that university. Plenty of students get accommodations in college. Yale has over 1,300 students who are registered with Yale’s disability services. There are only 6500 undergrads at Yale. And around 5,000 graduate students. This is from the Yale newspaper last year.

Yale’s student disability leaders say stigma is the main cause of underreporting, especially with mental illness, which Yale considers a disability for which students can apply for accomodations. Their efforts to combat the stigma surrounding disability and mental illness have accompanied a shift in the number of students registered with Student Accessibility Services. In 2019, only 842 students were registered with SAS, and as of Feb. 2022, that number now stands at 1,318 students — nearly double the number registered three years ago

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will always attend to the accommodations that are documented. I do think many parents would be surprised to find out how much of the time their child does not use or take advantage of the things that have been set up for them

Have you considered that the child might be afraid to ask for the accommodations if they’re not being given? It’s intimidating with the child teacher dynamic.

By high school, they need to be asking for the accommodation. I'd say they should even be doing that in middle school as well.

BS. My child who is on spectrum would not be able to do this. It is so stupid to put these posts in general ed forums.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just understand that if your child gets used to these accommodations, they might not have them in college. My neighbor works in a university and she was telling me that unless your kid has an IEP, they probably won’t get accommodations.

What accommodations do they get when they get a job?

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/odep/program-areas/employers/accommodations#:~:text=The%20ADA%20requires%20reasonable%20accommodations,a%20disability%20to%20enjoy%20equal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just understand that if your child gets used to these accommodations, they might not have them in college. My neighbor works in a university and she was telling me that unless your kid has an IEP, they probably won’t get accommodations.

What accommodations do they get when they get a job?

That is a conversation between HR and their supervisor.

I worked in the private sector and for the govt and know peers with disabilities who had accommodations. They were related to time for tasks. Not everyone is a wall street trader you idiot.

Idiot? I was saying that HR and supervisor could discuss possible accommodations to put in place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the teacher who gives up lunch and makes herself available before and after school -thank you. And to the entitled, demanding parent- you aren’t doing your child any favors expecting the world to revolve around your child.

My son has extra time and I don’t want him missing class. So the crazy parent who thinks her child shouldn’t have to give up anything to get the extra time doesn’t represent all parents. If there is a test 1st period I expect my son to get to school 30 minutes early to start taking the test. I make him email his teachers to ask if this will work for them and that usually works for them. If he has a test after lunch I expect he will start the test early at lunch.

It really isn’t fair for a student to start a test, see the questions, then be permitted to go home and study those questions then finish the following day when almost all the other students can’t do that. I think it also ends up being stressful for students to have uncompleted tests they have to finish. This is another reason why I tell my son he needs to finish his test the same day it is given.

You do realize that not everyone is privileged to be able to get to school 30 minutes early or stay 30 minutes later? How would your child get to school 30 minutes early? I presume you have to drive him? Not all parents would be able to do this. And how about 30 minutes after school? The late buses leave way too late. I need my kid home right after school to begin working on the homework which takes them twice as long as everyone else. My kid can’t wait for the late bus or they would lose too much time. I also don’t expect my child to have to continue working on a test at lunch. That’s their break time. Similarly, I won’t ask a teacher to give up his/her lunch to do work. That’s martyrdom.

The only solutions I can see are: the kid uses the next study hall period to finish up the test, which could end up being the next day. Or the test is modified so my child can complete it in the same time as everyone else. I agree missing the next class period of new instruction doesn’t work, creating a cycle in which the child is behind.

If it’s an essay based test, have the child turn in an outline and whatever was completed for the period. The teacher can look at it to see what the student accomplished already. Maybe grade that part. And then have the student take it home to finish.

This is one of the largest problems I encounter with parents in this area when they come to my office. There's not a true understanding of what your child is entitled to under the law. First, if you have extra time under a 504, modifying an assignment is not appropriate. 504s are for accommodations not modifications. Extra time is an accommodation; changing an assignment is a modification. A teacher should not be changing an assignment to accommodate unless it's to support a modification of curriculum and/or they are doing that for the entire class. Second, the school has to provide reasonable accommodations or modifications to ensure that your child is receiving FAPE. The school simply has to provide extra time. They have to work with the student and/or parent to find that time. If the parent were to complain and demand that extra time has to be done in xyz way, they'd be wrong. As long as the school can prove that they've offered several varied times, they are providing the accommodation. Now, if a teacher is saying, "No, extra time for you," that's a violation. Now, I do advocate that extra time not be given before school since, as you pointed out, not everyone can get to school early; however, if your school provides after school transportation--fair game.

You’re highly misinformed then.

An accommodation is a change that helps a student overcome or work around the disability. These changes are typically physical or environmental changes.Allowing a student who has trouble writing to give his answers orally is an example of an accommodation. This sort of accommodation extends across assignments and content areas.
What are accommodations? Here are a few examples:
Teacher provides notes/outlines, allows type-written work, allows printed work, provides a peer note- taker, allows the use of wider lined paper for written tasks, provides highlighted text, allows the use of spell-checker,
Daily agenda checks between home/school, additional progress reports
Preferential seating, ability to leave room without permission, peer buddy, behavior reward system Extended time on assignments, shortened assignments, simplification of directions
Tests read aloud to student, verbal response acceptable in lieu of written response, fewer multiple choice responses (2 instead of 4), multiple -choice response instead of fill -in -the -blank or short answer/essay, word banks provided f or f ill in the blank questions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the teacher who gives up lunch and makes herself available before and after school -thank you. And to the entitled, demanding parent- you aren’t doing your child any favors expecting the world to revolve around your child.

My son has extra time and I don’t want him missing class. So the crazy parent who thinks her child shouldn’t have to give up anything to get the extra time doesn’t represent all parents. If there is a test 1st period I expect my son to get to school 30 minutes early to start taking the test. I make him email his teachers to ask if this will work for them and that usually works for them. If he has a test after lunch I expect he will start the test early at lunch.

It really isn’t fair for a student to start a test, see the questions, then be permitted to go home and study those questions then finish the following day when almost all the other students can’t do that. I think it also ends up being stressful for students to have uncompleted tests they have to finish. This is another reason why I tell my son he needs to finish his test the same day it is given.

You do realize that not everyone is privileged to be able to get to school 30 minutes early or stay 30 minutes later? How would your child get to school 30 minutes early? I presume you have to drive him? Not all parents would be able to do this. And how about 30 minutes after school? The late buses leave way too late. I need my kid home right after school to begin working on the homework which takes them twice as long as everyone else. My kid can’t wait for the late bus or they would lose too much time. I also don’t expect my child to have to continue working on a test at lunch. That’s their break time. Similarly, I won’t ask a teacher to give up his/her lunch to do work. That’s martyrdom.

The only solutions I can see are: the kid uses the next study hall period to finish up the test, which could end up being the next day. Or the test is modified so my child can complete it in the same time as everyone else. I agree missing the next class period of new instruction doesn’t work, creating a cycle in which the child is behind.

If it’s an essay based test, have the child turn in an outline and whatever was completed for the period. The teacher can look at it to see what the student accomplished already. Maybe grade that part. And then have the student take it home to finish.

This is one of the largest problems I encounter with parents in this area when they come to my office. There's not a true understanding of what your child is entitled to under the law. First, if you have extra time under a 504, modifying an assignment is not appropriate. 504s are for accommodations not modifications. Extra time is an accommodation; changing an assignment is a modification. A teacher should not be changing an assignment to accommodate unless it's to support a modification of curriculum and/or they are doing that for the entire class. Second, the school has to provide reasonable accommodations or modifications to ensure that your child is receiving FAPE. The school simply has to provide extra time. They have to work with the student and/or parent to find that time. If the parent were to complain and demand that extra time has to be done in xyz way, they'd be wrong. As long as the school can prove that they've offered several varied times, they are providing the accommodation. Now, if a teacher is saying, "No, extra time for you," that's a violation. Now, I do advocate that extra time not be given before school since, as you pointed out, not everyone can get to school early; however, if your school provides after school transportation--fair game.

This is not true as well. Modifications can be on a 504 plan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the teacher who gives up lunch and makes herself available before and after school -thank you. And to the entitled, demanding parent- you aren’t doing your child any favors expecting the world to revolve around your child.

My son has extra time and I don’t want him missing class. So the crazy parent who thinks her child shouldn’t have to give up anything to get the extra time doesn’t represent all parents. If there is a test 1st period I expect my son to get to school 30 minutes early to start taking the test. I make him email his teachers to ask if this will work for them and that usually works for them. If he has a test after lunch I expect he will start the test early at lunch.

It really isn’t fair for a student to start a test, see the questions, then be permitted to go home and study those questions then finish the following day when almost all the other students can’t do that. I think it also ends up being stressful for students to have uncompleted tests they have to finish. This is another reason why I tell my son he needs to finish his test the same day it is given.

You do realize that not everyone is privileged to be able to get to school 30 minutes early or stay 30 minutes later? How would your child get to school 30 minutes early? I presume you have to drive him? Not all parents would be able to do this. And how about 30 minutes after school? The late buses leave way too late. I need my kid home right after school to begin working on the homework which takes them twice as long as everyone else. My kid can’t wait for the late bus or they would lose too much time. I also don’t expect my child to have to continue working on a test at lunch. That’s their break time. Similarly, I won’t ask a teacher to give up his/her lunch to do work. That’s martyrdom.

The only solutions I can see are: the kid uses the next study hall period to finish up the test, which could end up being the next day. Or the test is modified so my child can complete it in the same time as everyone else. I agree missing the next class period of new instruction doesn’t work, creating a cycle in which the child is behind.

If it’s an essay based test, have the child turn in an outline and whatever was completed for the period. The teacher can look at it to see what the student accomplished already. Maybe grade that part. And then have the student take it home to finish.

This is one of the largest problems I encounter with parents in this area when they come to my office. There's not a true understanding of what your child is entitled to under the law. First, if you have extra time under a 504, modifying an assignment is not appropriate. 504s are for accommodations not modifications. Extra time is an accommodation; changing an assignment is a modification. A teacher should not be changing an assignment to accommodate unless it's to support a modification of curriculum and/or they are doing that for the entire class. Second, the school has to provide reasonable accommodations or modifications to ensure that your child is receiving FAPE. The school simply has to provide extra time. They have to work with the student and/or parent to find that time. If the parent were to complain and demand that extra time has to be done in xyz way, they'd be wrong. As long as the school can prove that they've offered several varied times, they are providing the accommodation. Now, if a teacher is saying, "No, extra time for you," that's a violation. Now, I do advocate that extra time not be given before school since, as you pointed out, not everyone can get to school early; however, if your school provides after school transportation--fair game.

This is not true as well. Modifications can be on a 504 plan.

This is factually incorrect. 504 plans only provide accommodations. If a student requires modifications, they need an IEP. Accommodations change how a student accesses material, while modifications change what a student is expected to learn. These words have specific definitions in an educational context. Changing how a student is evaluated can be considered both depending on context. Extra time would be an accommodation, but changing a test typically is a modification.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the teacher who gives up lunch and makes herself available before and after school -thank you. And to the entitled, demanding parent- you aren’t doing your child any favors expecting the world to revolve around your child.

My son has extra time and I don’t want him missing class. So the crazy parent who thinks her child shouldn’t have to give up anything to get the extra time doesn’t represent all parents. If there is a test 1st period I expect my son to get to school 30 minutes early to start taking the test. I make him email his teachers to ask if this will work for them and that usually works for them. If he has a test after lunch I expect he will start the test early at lunch.

It really isn’t fair for a student to start a test, see the questions, then be permitted to go home and study those questions then finish the following day when almost all the other students can’t do that. I think it also ends up being stressful for students to have uncompleted tests they have to finish. This is another reason why I tell my son he needs to finish his test the same day it is given.

You do realize that not everyone is privileged to be able to get to school 30 minutes early or stay 30 minutes later? How would your child get to school 30 minutes early? I presume you have to drive him? Not all parents would be able to do this. And how about 30 minutes after school? The late buses leave way too late. I need my kid home right after school to begin working on the homework which takes them twice as long as everyone else. My kid can’t wait for the late bus or they would lose too much time. I also don’t expect my child to have to continue working on a test at lunch. That’s their break time. Similarly, I won’t ask a teacher to give up his/her lunch to do work. That’s martyrdom.

The only solutions I can see are: the kid uses the next study hall period to finish up the test, which could end up being the next day. Or the test is modified so my child can complete it in the same time as everyone else. I agree missing the next class period of new instruction doesn’t work, creating a cycle in which the child is behind.

If it’s an essay based test, have the child turn in an outline and whatever was completed for the period. The teacher can look at it to see what the student accomplished already. Maybe grade that part. And then have the student take it home to finish.

This is one of the largest problems I encounter with parents in this area when they come to my office. There's not a true understanding of what your child is entitled to under the law. First, if you have extra time under a 504, modifying an assignment is not appropriate. 504s are for accommodations not modifications. Extra time is an accommodation; changing an assignment is a modification. A teacher should not be changing an assignment to accommodate unless it's to support a modification of curriculum and/or they are doing that for the entire class. Second, the school has to provide reasonable accommodations or modifications to ensure that your child is receiving FAPE. The school simply has to provide extra time. They have to work with the student and/or parent to find that time. If the parent were to complain and demand that extra time has to be done in xyz way, they'd be wrong. As long as the school can prove that they've offered several varied times, they are providing the accommodation. Now, if a teacher is saying, "No, extra time for you," that's a violation. Now, I do advocate that extra time not be given before school since, as you pointed out, not everyone can get to school early; however, if your school provides after school transportation--fair game.

This is not true as well. Modifications can be on a 504 plan.

This is factually incorrect. 504 plans only provide accommodations. If a student requires modifications, they need an IEP. Accommodations change how a student accesses material, while modifications change what a student is expected to learn. These words have specific definitions in an educational context. Changing how a student is evaluated can be considered both depending on context. Extra time would be an accommodation, but changing a test typically is a modification.

You are incorrect. While rare, 504 plans can indeed include modifications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the teacher who gives up lunch and makes herself available before and after school -thank you. And to the entitled, demanding parent- you aren’t doing your child any favors expecting the world to revolve around your child.

My son has extra time and I don’t want him missing class. So the crazy parent who thinks her child shouldn’t have to give up anything to get the extra time doesn’t represent all parents. If there is a test 1st period I expect my son to get to school 30 minutes early to start taking the test. I make him email his teachers to ask if this will work for them and that usually works for them. If he has a test after lunch I expect he will start the test early at lunch.

It really isn’t fair for a student to start a test, see the questions, then be permitted to go home and study those questions then finish the following day when almost all the other students can’t do that. I think it also ends up being stressful for students to have uncompleted tests they have to finish. This is another reason why I tell my son he needs to finish his test the same day it is given.

You do realize that not everyone is privileged to be able to get to school 30 minutes early or stay 30 minutes later? How would your child get to school 30 minutes early? I presume you have to drive him? Not all parents would be able to do this. And how about 30 minutes after school? The late buses leave way too late. I need my kid home right after school to begin working on the homework which takes them twice as long as everyone else. My kid can’t wait for the late bus or they would lose too much time. I also don’t expect my child to have to continue working on a test at lunch. That’s their break time. Similarly, I won’t ask a teacher to give up his/her lunch to do work. That’s martyrdom.

The only solutions I can see are: the kid uses the next study hall period to finish up the test, which could end up being the next day. Or the test is modified so my child can complete it in the same time as everyone else. I agree missing the next class period of new instruction doesn’t work, creating a cycle in which the child is behind.

If it’s an essay based test, have the child turn in an outline and whatever was completed for the period. The teacher can look at it to see what the student accomplished already. Maybe grade that part. And then have the student take it home to finish.

This is one of the largest problems I encounter with parents in this area when they come to my office. There's not a true understanding of what your child is entitled to under the law. First, if you have extra time under a 504, modifying an assignment is not appropriate. 504s are for accommodations not modifications. Extra time is an accommodation; changing an assignment is a modification. A teacher should not be changing an assignment to accommodate unless it's to support a modification of curriculum and/or they are doing that for the entire class. Second, the school has to provide reasonable accommodations or modifications to ensure that your child is receiving FAPE. The school simply has to provide extra time. They have to work with the student and/or parent to find that time. If the parent were to complain and demand that extra time has to be done in xyz way, they'd be wrong. As long as the school can prove that they've offered several varied times, they are providing the accommodation. Now, if a teacher is saying, "No, extra time for you," that's a violation. Now, I do advocate that extra time not be given before school since, as you pointed out, not everyone can get to school early; however, if your school provides after school transportation--fair game.

This is not true as well. Modifications can be on a 504 plan.

This is factually incorrect. 504 plans only provide accommodations. If a student requires modifications, they need an IEP. Accommodations change how a student accesses material, while modifications change what a student is expected to learn. These words have specific definitions in an educational context. Changing how a student is evaluated can be considered both depending on context. Extra time would be an accommodation, but changing a test typically is a modification.

We are not talking about changing the content of the test, or what is taught. We are talking about shortening it so the student can finish in time. So in that case, that would be considered an accommodation but you are claiming that’s a “modification.”