MH370 New Netflix Special

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Anonymous wrote:Not everything would sink. Seat cushions float, plastics from/in the plane, small luggage, shoes, clothing, blankets,/pillows....None of this was ever found.


This is really strange to not find any luggage or seats or anything how is that even possible?


An explosion that destroys everything? Is that possible?


Not really, there would pieces of something, anything.


There were over 200 pieces of debris from the air flight found on African beaches …
Anonymous
Are copilots supposed to leave the cockpit like this one supposedly did? I understand he was still pretty new, so it's likely he would do whatever would be asked of him by a more senior pilot, but would it be normal for the pilot to ask his copilot for a cup of coffee (as the theory suggests) or would a flight attendant normally do this? I would hope on most airlines there is a protocol in place to make sure the pilot is never left alone with the controls because had the copilot been able to engage, maybe he could have saved the plane or prevented the pilot from taking over.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Are copilots supposed to leave the cockpit like this one supposedly did? I understand he was still pretty new, so it's likely he would do whatever would be asked of him by a more senior pilot, but would it be normal for the pilot to ask his copilot for a cup of coffee (as the theory suggests) or would a flight attendant normally do this? I would hope on most airlines there is a protocol in place to make sure the pilot is never left alone with the controls because had the copilot been able to engage, maybe he could have saved the plane or prevented the pilot from taking over.



Yes copilot was not fully qualified and known as a risk taker - probably why the pilot chose a flight with him to carry out this terrible act.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1186072/mh370-news-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-missing-plane-pilot-copilot-fariq-abdul-hamid-spt/amp

MH370 went missing on March 8, 2014 and what exactly happened remains a mystery – but one clue could be the co-pilot turning on his phone moments before the plane disappeared from radar, a move described as “very unusual” by one expert.
By ABBIE LLEWELYN
00:07, Fri, Oct 4, 2019

MH370: Co-pilot's phone was turned on mid-flight says expert

Several experts have suggested this could indicate something “untoward” was going on at this point. Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board when it disappeared, never to be seen again. Co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid was known to break aviation rules by having guests in the cockpit, but he was rising up in his career and was nearly fully qualified.

Mr Hamid had turned off his phone before take-off but then turned it on again mid-flight, according to the Straits Times. The signal was picked up by a ground station on Penang Island, northwest of Malaysia.(along the proposed divergent pathway.)
Anonymous
I just watched the first episode and it really seems like the “Pilot suicide” theory is the most plausible. They had a brief period of time where they were between Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace. Only a few minutes. The pilot would have sent the copilot out for a minute to grab him a drink, in that time he would have locked the door to the cockpit, turned off the tracking systems so the plane disappeared from radar, set the plane on a course that would eventually end over the remote Indian Ocean, depressurized the cabin which would kill everyone else on board when their oxygen ran out, and then the pilot sat there with his better oxygen mask on for however many hours until the plane ran out of fuel and crashed into a very remote area in the southern Indian Ocean. It really doesn’t sound that far fetched to me that an experienced pilot could come up with this plan. It’s, of course, unfathomably cruel to take out over 200 people with you. But the plan itself seems logical enough to figure out for an experienced pilot who would know exactly what to do and when to do it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Are copilots supposed to leave the cockpit like this one supposedly did? I understand he was still pretty new, so it's likely he would do whatever would be asked of him by a more senior pilot, but would it be normal for the pilot to ask his copilot for a cup of coffee (as the theory suggests) or would a flight attendant normally do this? I would hope on most airlines there is a protocol in place to make sure the pilot is never left alone with the controls because had the copilot been able to engage, maybe he could have saved the plane or prevented the pilot from taking over.


It wasn’t until the German wings crash when there was always someone mandated to be in the cockpit with the pilot flying should one leave. The German wings incident happened a year later.

There is zero evidence the co pilot ever left the cockpit. There is also no real evidence his phone was turned on midflight other than the word of an expert. In 2014, a cell phone was never going to “ping” a ground based tower from altitude!
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Are copilots supposed to leave the cockpit like this one supposedly did? I understand he was still pretty new, so it's likely he would do whatever would be asked of him by a more senior pilot, but would it be normal for the pilot to ask his copilot for a cup of coffee (as the theory suggests) or would a flight attendant normally do this? I would hope on most airlines there is a protocol in place to make sure the pilot is never left alone with the controls because had the copilot been able to engage, maybe he could have saved the plane or prevented the pilot from taking over.


It wasn’t until the German wings crash when there was always someone mandated to be in the cockpit with the pilot flying should one leave. The German wings incident happened a year later.

There is zero evidence the co pilot ever left the cockpit. There is also no real evidence his phone was turned on midflight other than the word of an expert. In 2014, a cell phone was never going to “ping” a ground based tower from altitude!


There is so much bs stated as fact wrt this case.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Are copilots supposed to leave the cockpit like this one supposedly did? I understand he was still pretty new, so it's likely he would do whatever would be asked of him by a more senior pilot, but would it be normal for the pilot to ask his copilot for a cup of coffee (as the theory suggests) or would a flight attendant normally do this? I would hope on most airlines there is a protocol in place to make sure the pilot is never left alone with the controls because had the copilot been able to engage, maybe he could have saved the plane or prevented the pilot from taking over.


It wasn’t until the German wings crash when there was always someone mandated to be in the cockpit with the pilot flying should one leave. The German wings incident happened a year later.

There is zero evidence the co pilot ever left the cockpit. There is also no real evidence his phone was turned on midflight other than the word of an expert. In 2014, a cell phone was never going to “ping” a ground based tower from altitude!


There is so much bs stated as fact wrt this case.


There are even more wild conspiracy speculations presented as fact. Then there is much more solid evidence that points to the pilot …
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Are copilots supposed to leave the cockpit like this one supposedly did? I understand he was still pretty new, so it's likely he would do whatever would be asked of him by a more senior pilot, but would it be normal for the pilot to ask his copilot for a cup of coffee (as the theory suggests) or would a flight attendant normally do this? I would hope on most airlines there is a protocol in place to make sure the pilot is never left alone with the controls because had the copilot been able to engage, maybe he could have saved the plane or prevented the pilot from taking over.



Yes copilot was not fully qualified and known as a risk taker - probably why the pilot chose a flight with him to carry out this terrible act.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1186072/mh370-news-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-missing-plane-pilot-copilot-fariq-abdul-hamid-spt/amp

MH370 went missing on March 8, 2014 and what exactly happened remains a mystery – but one clue could be the co-pilot turning on his phone moments before the plane disappeared from radar, a move described as “very unusual” by one expert.
By ABBIE LLEWELYN
00:07, Fri, Oct 4, 2019

MH370: Co-pilot's phone was turned on mid-flight says expert

Several experts have suggested this could indicate something “untoward” was going on at this point. Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board when it disappeared, never to be seen again. Co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid was known to break aviation rules by having guests in the cockpit, but he was rising up in his career and was nearly fully qualified.

Mr Hamid had turned off his phone before take-off but then turned it on again mid-flight, according to the Straits Times. The signal was picked up by a ground station on Penang Island, northwest of Malaysia.(along the proposed divergent pathway.)


The source you quoted above is absolute garbage.
Anonymous
Evidence points to the pilot

Malaysia Airlines flight 370’s disappearance on March 8, 2014
Written and fact-checked by
The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica

https://www.britannica.com/summary/Malaysia-Airlines-flight-370-disappearance

Below is the article summary. For the full article, see Malaysia Airlines flight 370 disappearance.
Malaysia Airlines flight 370 disappearance, also called MH370 disappearance, Disappearance of a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet on March 8, 2014, during a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Flight 370 took off at 12:41 AM local time and reached a cruising altitude of 35,000 ft (10,700 m) at 1:01 AM. The plane’s transponder was switched off just as the plane was about to enter Vietnamese airspace. Malaysian military and civilian radar began tracking the plane as it turned around and then flew southwest over the Malay Peninsula and then northwest over the Strait of Malacca. (The pilot had the skills and experience to carry this off. He avoided international detection and interception by staying within Malaysian airspace prior to entering Indian Ocean)

At 2:22 AM Malaysian radar lost contact with the plane over the Andaman Sea. An Inmarsat satellite in geostationary orbit over the Indian Ocean received hourly signals from flight 370 and last detected the plane at 8:11 AM. On March 24 Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak announced that, based on analysis of the final signals, Inmarsat and the U.K.’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) had concluded that the flight crashed in a remote part of the Indian Ocean 2,500 km (1,500 mi) southwest of Australia.

The search for wreckage was hampered by the remote location of the crash site. (Australia spent 90 million on a search effort for two years in the Indian Ocean). Beginning in 2015, pieces of wreckage that suggested the plane had broken up were found washed ashore in Africa and on islands in the Indian Ocean.

In 2018 the Malaysian government concluded that the change in flight path had been done manually from inside the plane, but why the plane disappeared remained a mystery.

They admitted this but their 2018 report omitted the fact that the pilot had performed a simulation of this flight the month prior and that his wife and children had left him the day before the incident.

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not everything would sink. Seat cushions float, plastics from/in the plane, small luggage, shoes, clothing, blankets,/pillows....None of this was ever found.


This is really strange to not find any luggage or seats or anything how is that even possible?


An explosion that destroys everything? Is that possible?


Not really, there would pieces of something, anything.


There were over 200 pieces of debris from the air flight found on African beaches …


You keep saying this. Can you please cite? In the documentary it said only one piece was confirmed. I’m not sure “likely” is convincing.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are copilots supposed to leave the cockpit like this one supposedly did? I understand he was still pretty new, so it's likely he would do whatever would be asked of him by a more senior pilot, but would it be normal for the pilot to ask his copilot for a cup of coffee (as the theory suggests) or would a flight attendant normally do this? I would hope on most airlines there is a protocol in place to make sure the pilot is never left alone with the controls because had the copilot been able to engage, maybe he could have saved the plane or prevented the pilot from taking over.


It wasn’t until the German wings crash when there was always someone mandated to be in the cockpit with the pilot flying should one leave. The German wings incident happened a year later.

There is zero evidence the co pilot ever left the cockpit. There is also no real evidence his phone was turned on midflight other than the word of an expert. In 2014, a cell phone was never going to “ping” a ground based tower from altitude!


I’m not that pp…It did on 9/11, which I mentioned up thread.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not everything would sink. Seat cushions float, plastics from/in the plane, small luggage, shoes, clothing, blankets,/pillows....None of this was ever found.


This is really strange to not find any luggage or seats or anything how is that even possible?


An explosion that destroys everything? Is that possible?


Not really, there would pieces of something, anything.


There were over 200 pieces of debris from the air flight found on African beaches …


You keep saying this. Can you please cite? In the documentary it said only one piece was confirmed. I’m not sure “likely” is convincing.




Status of Debris 2017 after official Australian led search ended with nothing found in ocean itself . Items found piecemeal on African beaches and islands in the Indian Ocean by public or non official searchers but later confirmed.

MH370: The key pieces of debris found by the public
* Published 23 January 2017

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37820122

The underwater search for flight MH370 has ended, with no trace of the Malaysian Airlines plane being found.
While the search has been going on, more than 20 pieces of possible debris have been found by members of the public, on the African coast and islands in the Indian Ocean.
Most have been handed in to French authorities or the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) which has been co-ordinating the search.
* So far only a handful have been confirmed as "definitely" or "almost certainly" from the doomed plane.


'Definitely' from MH370
Right wing flaperon
*
* Found: July 2015, on a beach in Saint Denis on Reunion Island
* Part: A section from the plane's right wing that helps to control speed and position
The flaperon was the first piece of potential debris found. In September 2015 French judicial authorities who examined it confirmed it did come from MH370. One of three numbers found on the part matched up with the plane's serial number, 9M-MRO.

Left outboard flap trailing edge
* Found: May 2016, on Ilot Bernache in Mauritius
* Part: The rear edge of an outboard flap - which controls the plane's rolling and banking - on the left wing
Investigators say this piece has identification numbers belonging to parts that were uniquely made for Malaysia Airlines and incorporated into MH370's plane.

Right outboard flap
* Found: June 2016, on Pemba island in Tanzania
* Part: A flap from the plane's right wing
One of the largest pieces of debris found so far, this piece had identification numbers and date stamps tallying with those belonging to MH370 parts.


'Almost certainly' from MH370
Flap track fairing
* Found: December 2015, on Daghatane Beach in Mozambique
* Part: A part on the underside of the right wing which reduces wind drag
Also known as "676EB", this piece has a stencilled number with the same font and colour used by Malaysia Airlines. Investigators also found that the part had been repainted, which matched the maintenance records for MH370.

Horizontal stabiliser panel
* Found: February 2016, at Valankulo on the Paluma sandbank in Mozambique
* Part: A panel from the right part of a plane's tail
The ATSB says the stencilling of the words "No Step" is consistent with that used by Malaysia Airlines. It also has a fastener matching those used in assembly of aircraft next in the production line of MH370's aircraft.
Engine nose cowling segment
* Found: March 2016, at Mossel Bay, South Africa
* Part: A piece covering an aeroplane's engine
This piece carries the logo of Rolls-Royce which manufactures parts for Boeing. The ATSB says the stencil closely matched that used on other Boeing-777s owned by Malaysian Airlines.
Closet panel

* Found: March 2016, on Rodrigues Island in Mauritius
* Part: A panel from a stowage closet near one of the plane's doors
ATSB investigators say that the presence of a hinge and a trim line indicate this was likely part of a closet panel that contained a foldable work-table. Its decorative pattern also matches that of Malaysia Airlines' Boeing-777 aircraft, and is not used by any other airlines' Boeing-777s.

Cabin interior panel
* Found: June 2016, on Antsiraka beach in Madagascar
* Part: A fragment of the interior panelling of the plane
This panel, which appears to have a similar decorative pattern as that of the closet panel, was examined by Malaysian investigators who declared it as "almost certainly" from MH370.


Still under investigation
Many pieces of debris are still being evaluated for links to MH370.
These include items found by Blaine Gibson, an American lawyer who has gone on self-funded expeditions around the world to look for MH370 debris. Among other things, in Madagascar he found a seat back panel that could have housed a monitor.



>>>>>>>>>
MH370 search: New debris found on Madagascar beach
9 June 2016
Updated 10 June 2016

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36495617.amp




A new report published by British engineer Richard Godfrey and American MH370 wreckage hunter Blaine Gibson, claims the piece of debris most likely penetrated from the inside by the jet's disintegrating engines.

https://news.sky.com/story/flight-mh370-debris-suggests-pilot-lowered-planes-landing-gear-and-crashed-deliberately-report-says-12767516
Tuesday 13 December 2022 19:24, UK

A newly discovered piece of debris from flight MH370 suggests the pilot lowered the plane's landing gear just before it plunged into the ocean, supporting the theory that the aircraft was crashed deliberately.
The Boeing 777 component, also known as a trunnion door, was found in the possession of a Madagascan fisherman 25 days ago - becoming the first physical evidence suggesting one of the pilots purposefully tried to destroy and sink the Malaysian Airlines jet with 239 passengers and crew on board.

Now, a fresh report published by British engineer Richard Godfrey and a self-described American MH370 wreckage hunter Blaine Gibson, suggests the washed up landing gear door was probably penetrated from the inside by the plane's engines disintegrating on impact.
This makes it highly likely that the landing gear was down when the aircraft crashed into the southern Indian Ocean on 8 March 2014 - leaving behind one of the greatest aviation mysteries in recent history.

In their new analysis, Mr Godfrey and Mr Gibson suggest the airliner crashed quickly and deliberately.

"The fact that the damage was from the interior side to the exterior side... leads to the conclusion that the landing gear was highly extended on impact, which in turn supports the conclusion that there was an active pilot until the end of the flight," the report reads.

It added: "The level of damage with fractures on all sides and the extreme force of the penetration right through the debris item leads to the conclusion that the end of the flight was in a high-speed dive designed to ensure the aircraft broke up into as many pieces as possible.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I just watched the first episode and it really seems like the “Pilot suicide” theory is the most plausible. They had a brief period of time where they were between Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace. Only a few minutes. The pilot would have sent the copilot out for a minute to grab him a drink, in that time he would have locked the door to the cockpit, turned off the tracking systems so the plane disappeared from radar, set the plane on a course that would eventually end over the remote Indian Ocean, depressurized the cabin which would kill everyone else on board when their oxygen ran out, and then the pilot sat there with his better oxygen mask on for however many hours until the plane ran out of fuel and crashed into a very remote area in the southern Indian Ocean. It really doesn’t sound that far fetched to me that an experienced pilot could come up with this plan. It’s, of course, unfathomably cruel to take out over 200 people with you. But the plan itself seems logical enough to figure out for an experienced pilot who would know exactly what to do and when to do it.


It’s even more plausible when you read evidence elsewhere.

I have issues with the program misrepresenting things to make it seem more mysterious. For example, saying only once piece of hard evidence has been found when much more than one confirmed piece of debris has been found in locations consistent with plane being downed in remote southern Indian Ocean .

Also, one of later theories contending it went down in South China Sea argued that the plane was in multiple countries air spaces when in fact the pilot turned the plane around just before entering Vietnam air space and navigated it westward and then south through Malaysian air space.

The focus on multiple conspiracy theories did not provide balance of why they were unlikely. For example, the French Twitter form La Monde based her theory that it cannot have been the pilot on his making harmless you tube videos on how to save money with DIY home repairs. That proves nothing if he was trying hard to maintain a facade of being a normal decent human or maybe he wanted ways for his kids to see him a in a positive light after carrying out this deed.

The Russian conspiracy makes no sense since China is their most powerful ally. Why would they hijack a plane to Kazakhstan and murder people there if the plane was mostly Chinese citizens on their way to Beijing?

The US conspiracy makes no sense. Sure the FBI was investigating the plane vanishing and Malaysian government apparently shared info with them. But US government had nothing to gain by murdering nearly 300 innocents.

Also the show glossed over the fact that the pilot had simulated the probable flight path the month before. The show did not mention his marital problems but rather that he was well liked and trusted as a pilot.

The only explanation that makes sense to me is pilot suicide- mass murder as he felt his life and family was crumbling. He had the skills and experience to plan and carry out this terrible act. He was criminally insane to figure out how to do this so brilliantly and yet be stone cold oblivious to the depths of anguish and uncertainty that would obviously be visited on hundreds of families.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just watched the first episode and it really seems like the “Pilot suicide” theory is the most plausible. They had a brief period of time where they were between Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace. Only a few minutes. The pilot would have sent the copilot out for a minute to grab him a drink, in that time he would have locked the door to the cockpit, turned off the tracking systems so the plane disappeared from radar, set the plane on a course that would eventually end over the remote Indian Ocean, depressurized the cabin which would kill everyone else on board when their oxygen ran out, and then the pilot sat there with his better oxygen mask on for however many hours until the plane ran out of fuel and crashed into a very remote area in the southern Indian Ocean. It really doesn’t sound that far fetched to me that an experienced pilot could come up with this plan. It’s, of course, unfathomably cruel to take out over 200 people with you. But the plan itself seems logical enough to figure out for an experienced pilot who would know exactly what to do and when to do it.


It’s even more plausible when you read evidence elsewhere.

I have issues with the program misrepresenting things to make it seem more mysterious. For example, saying only once piece of hard evidence has been found when much more than one confirmed piece of debris has been found in locations consistent with plane being downed in remote southern Indian Ocean .

Also, one of later theories contending it went down in South China Sea argued that the plane was in multiple countries air spaces when in fact the pilot turned the plane around just before entering Vietnam air space and navigated it westward and then south through Malaysian air space.

The focus on multiple conspiracy theories did not provide balance of why they were unlikely. For example, the French Twitter form La Monde based her theory that it cannot have been the pilot on his making harmless you tube videos on how to save money with DIY home repairs. That proves nothing if he was trying hard to maintain a facade of being a normal decent human or maybe he wanted ways for his kids to see him a in a positive light after carrying out this deed.

The Russian conspiracy makes no sense since China is their most powerful ally. Why would they hijack a plane to Kazakhstan and murder people there if the plane was mostly Chinese citizens on their way to Beijing?

The US conspiracy makes no sense. Sure the FBI was investigating the plane vanishing and Malaysian government apparently shared info with them. But US government had nothing to gain by murdering nearly 300 innocents.

Also the show glossed over the fact that the pilot had simulated the probable flight path the month before. The show did not mention his marital problems but rather that he was well liked and trusted as a pilot.

The only explanation that makes sense to me is pilot suicide- mass murder as he felt his life and family was crumbling. He had the skills and experience to plan and carry out this terrible act. He was criminally insane to figure out how to do this so brilliantly and yet be stone cold oblivious to the depths of anguish and uncertainty that would obviously be visited on hundreds of families.


But, when you read PP's citation it really is only one item that matches serially. Only 3 have been confirmed. That's not 200.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Not everything would sink. Seat cushions float, plastics from/in the plane, small luggage, shoes, clothing, blankets,/pillows....None of this was ever found.


Over 200 pieces were found in Mozambique and Madagascar beaches …


By the one free lance white guy? All those professionals that couldn’t figure out where to look and couldn’t find a single thing but the one guy just shows up after some internet sleuthing and finds unmarked pieces of the plan. Yeah right.


By coincidence we were staying at Mozambique beach where the guy started looking in 2015 and the beaches were covered in flotsam and junk. It probably just looked liked more of the same until someone knew what to look for.


How would all the "official" searchers not look there?


They were still looking in the Indian Ocean for two years


But Indiana Jones figured out just the right place to look and zero of the professional searchers could come up with the same info.
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