I've followed since the beginning and knew about Jeff, but not Florence. These are my random thoughts:
Conspiracy theory: This isn't junk as pp said. A massive plane vanished, and there is ZERO established fact around it. So, people are trying to figure it out. Often the public investigate to pressure authorities. Look at what Erin Brokovich or the #freebritney group accomplished. Phones: I personally believe it all hinges on this. I lived in China for years and the Chinese are OBSESSED with their phones. I'm a rule follower and used to get pissed off because Chinese passengers rarely turned off phones in flight. There is zero chance people wouldn't have called loved ones, even with an oxygen mask on. If the co-pilot knew he got locked out, why wouldn't he grab a passenger's phone and call for help or send a message. For so long people believe the de-pressurized theory, but that still allowed for 15 MINUTES of oxygen. They were only 40 minutes from takeoff, so the drinks service would have started meaning that people would be glued to their phones before going to sleep. It take 10 second to send a text to a loved one if you are fearing something. I hadn't heard of Florence's take, but to me it seems most likely that the AWOKs turned off/scrambled the communications system because it would be immediate, and nobody would have suspected anything. By the time they knew something was wrong, they would no longer have access. Also, if the pilot knew something was wrong, he wouldn't have notified the cabin crew. Suicide: Least likely. Some guy has a death wish, but again it takes 15 minutes for people to lose consciousness. Look at the 9/11 flight that came together to fight. Why wouldn't this have happened. Again, people were awake and standing at that point. Also, why would he fly for 7 hours with a dead cabin, wearing an oxygen mask and pissing himself waiting for the plane to run out of gas so he could nosedive into the ocean? It makes zero logical sense. Why would the FBI wait nearly 2 years to release his flight data? Why did Intan, the Malaysian flight attendant who lost her husband, say that he was well-liked and none of the staff believed it? Pilot: Look, he could have done something, but I do not believe it was related suicide. If he was as beloved as Intan and the Malaysian air guy said, I think Florence's theory is best. He would have ignored the commands to turn around because with his communications system down, he couldn't check with Malaysia. He probably knew something was very, very wrong and tried to handle it as best as he could. Florence's theory: This sounds most likely to me. The cargo that was escorted and not run is troubling, I hadn't heard of it before. Her theory sounds most plausible. And, even if the US wasn't involved why didn't the US tell everyone where MH370 was since the AWOKs were there. I think her theory about it going right past the Butterworth airbase and not being detected makes sense. A pp asked why would the US sacrifice people to do this? Sadly, they probably thought there were few Americans on board, and second they convinced themselves that more people would would get hurt than those on the plane. Or, it was related to something else. Again, a plance doesn't vanish into thin air. The US has to know something. People also seemed to ignore the woman from Texas who had found evidence of something on the satellite images and what other pilots had seen. Intan: Again, she's the Malaysian flight attendant. She said she didn't believe it flew south, but I really wanted to know her theory. Still, none of this answers where is the plane? Only one piece recovered has a serial number that matches. Don't get me started on the yahoo who shows up on the beach and "holy smokes!" there is a plane piece, and another, and another. Nope. This is one the greatest, saddest mysteries of our time. |
He was torn? He wanted it to be irretrievable/a mystery to save his family’s honor? And maybe bring himself fame in some weird way? |
Only ONE number on the “found” piece of evidence matched. This is more than likely a part number which can be found on that piece on many many aircraft.
Part A goes into Part B. It is not like they individually serialize each part number like a VIN |
You're mixing a lot of different things together here. The AWACS theory only makes sense if MH370 was the only plane in the vicinity to have their comms jammed, which would have happened well after they made the turn south. And she said there were two AWACS. Each AWACS carries a crew of 31 and they could not have downed the plane on its own. I don't buy that more than 60 people know that a passenger aircraft was shot down and no one has talked. I found this whole theory really confusing. As far as murder/suicide, since we don't know what actually happened, it's entirely possible that the passengers fought back without success. Since 9/11 the pilot can lock the cockpit door and prevent any entry. And while the pilot's family and colleagues say they didn't think suicide was possible there could be a lot of different reasons for that - plain old denial, cultural norms, saving face, the pilot hiding his issues. I do think the FBI should explain (and maybe they have) why the flight simulator data wasn't released for two years, but that clue really ties it all together for me and explains what happened. Or it's time travel and aliens and the plane will show up again someday. |
The Atlantic article really disputes this. Pilot had some issues. The Malaysian government actually had the biggest incentive to cover things up - I believe it's a gov't owned airline and they did not want people thinking their citizens/pilots are nuts. |
Two things/questions: 1) Even if your phone is on, at cruising altitude, it's not going to work, right? So wouldn't that explain why no one texted/called loved ones? 2) The Atlantic article says the data point to a quick, rapid ascent of 40,000. From the article: "An electrical engineer in Boulder, Colorado, named Mike Exner, who is a prominent member of the Independent Group, has studied the radar data extensively. He believes that during the turn, the airplane climbed up to 40,000 feet, which was close to its limit. During the maneuver the passengers would have experienced some g‑forces—that feeling of being suddenly pressed back into the seat. Exner believes the reason for the climb was to accelerate the effects of depressurizing the airplane, causing the rapid incapacitation and death of everyone in the cabin. An intentional depressurization would have been an obvious way—and probably the only way—to subdue a potentially unruly cabin in an airplane that was going to remain in flight for hours to come. In the cabin, the effect would have gone unnoticed but for the sudden appearance of the drop-down oxygen masks and perhaps the cabin crew’s use of the few portable units of similar design. None of those cabin masks was intended for more than about 15 minutes of use during emergency descents to altitudes below 13,000 feet; they would have been of no value at all cruising at 40,000 feet. The cabin occupants would have become incapacitated within a couple of minutes, lost consciousness, and gently died without any choking or gasping for air. The scene would have been dimly lit by the emergency lights, with the dead belted into their seats, their faces nestled in the worthless oxygen masks dangling on tubes from the ceiling." |
The US was not involved.
I don't believe Russia is involved, because it wouldn't be such a highly kept secret. The access to the electronics room seemed far fetched. Pilot intentionally doing this is the only thing that truly aligns with the evidence. |
How many missing/exploded aircraft of that size are missing? Just one. |
If you are piloting a plane and going to suicide and you want to take people with you, why wouldn't you fly it into a city or building?
I just can't imagine the pilot flying for 6 hours to down the plane in a suicide. Why wait that long? |
This was his “Thelma & Louise” final joyride. He likely flew it for that length to avoid any possibility of turning back. Too bad he couldn’t come to that conclusion in a single seater airplane. |
I don't know if the AWACS could just jam one plane because I'm not up on tech capabilities. I just think it makes the most logical sense given the lack of phone communication. What else could possibly explain it? I just did a Google search and it says that a AWACS crew is 15 people, so you're off. Besides if the AWACS were in the area, wouldn't they know something even if they weren't responsible? A few beefy guys and a carry on bag or fire extinguisher would break down the door. What about timing? The co-pilot had about 45 seconds, 1 minute max to go to bathroom or retrieve something. Another 45 seconds to minute before he's panicking because he's not let in. Everyone in first class would see he's locked out. Again, why were people not calling? They were a minute away from continental Malaysian. I don't find it funny to joke about aliens -- we know people who lost friends on board. There are people who have been grieving for 9 years who want answers. Planes don't disappear in this day and age. |
Re 1 -Yes, phones work at cruising altitude. Refer to UA175 on 9/11. It was at cruising altitude and people called home and sent text messages. As I just posted above MH370 had just left continental Malaysia. It was not in the middle of the nowhere. Both UA175 and MH370 were taken over about 40-45 minutes within taking off. Re 2 - I can't read the Atlantic article, but I don't know why this guy would be more credible? Some rando determined that it got to 40K feet? Where the government couldn't come to that conclusion? Also, if the pilot had been plotting the suicide on the simulator, wouldn't he also have plotted this in? That was the lynchpin tactic to this working, yes? Also, as I posted above, the timing doesn't make sense for the co-pilot leaving the cockpit. You have 2 minutes max to achieve this before he knows what's going on. Nobody sent an SOS in that time? In the 15 min of oxygen? I find that very hard to believe. If we're to believe "the government," who believes in the Inmarsat data (like the Independent group also does) why wasn't the plane where it was supposed to be according to their data? (Never mind the point that Inmarsat lost pings for a while, so how to explain that?) It's not clear what happened, but I think there is a lot of bungling and cover up, no matter what did. |
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Netflix has a history of making these documentaries with missing information. What time did the call come in from the daughter of the passenger? What did the cell phone data show? 200+ people on that plane where was the last place the phones towers pinged (someone had to have their phone on during the flight). The plane is in the ocean where the last phones pinged.
6+ countries don't have this plane on radar? 2 AWACS planes in the same area at the same time didn't capture any information about this plane? We have satellite that can read the time on your wrist watch yet no ONE, NO ONE has any data on the flight of this plane? Think logically. Something stinks here. The US waits 2+ years to say the pilot had a similar route on his flight simulation software at home? The fact that the pilot has to go underneath the plane to turn off visibility makes me think the suicide thing didn't happen. If he were trying to kill everyone he can wouldn't he crash into a population building or place on land not in the ocean? China, Russia and the US know a lot more than they are saying. |
Are there cell towers along the flight path? I thought they were above open ocean.
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