Family taking advantage of beach house

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Anonymous wrote:Two summers ago DH and I decided to rent a beach house for 2 weeks in August. At the end of the trip we invited DH’s parents to come for a weekend. Overall it was a nice time. Last summer we rented the same house and in addition to DH’s parents coming, they pretty much invited his sister/BIL and their kids and everyone went from staying for a weekend to 5/6 days. It was fine, but the small house was pretty chaotic and instead of my kids having a bedroom they had to stay in the room with DH and me so his parents could have one room and his sister and her family had the other. No one offered to chip in for the most part so not only did we pay for the beach house, but we paid for most of the food too.

We were planning to rent a house again this summer and MIL already made a comment about how much fun everyone had and they can’t wait to come back. I suggested that we find a bigger house and all split it, which was pretty much met with blank stares. They pretty much just want us to foot the bill for their summer vacation.

I want to disinvite them, although let’s be clear that we have not invited them, but DH thinks that will not go over well. Can we tell them that if they want to come they need to contribute without it becoming a “thing”? I don’t see why others can’t chip in so we can get a more comfortable house. Why should we pay for the whole thing and be crammed in one bedroom, feeding everyone, etc? What would you do?

OP, it is fine to invite just the parents, but it is not fine to invite just half of the IL's, and not the other half. That is plain rude, and I think you know that, hence your post.

Is this an annual tradition (of your family) that you are taking over? Is this a place that you prefer to go, and maybe not all of the family members? I ask because in our family, we have members from other areas (which happen to be near nice beaches) - so we understand that (other beach area) is their preference, as they grew up an hour away from that beach - so that is where they vacation. In other words, they have their own traditions that are generations longer than mine (!!!), so I respect that (if I want to be a decent IL). So, part of their limited time off (most of us are retired, but not this particular IL family), they go to see their cousins, who they actually grew up with. They have limited vacation time to work with, their kids are still in school, and there are other families involved in their planning. Part of being a good IL is being considerate, and not selfish and/or self centered.

I do know families who just think of themselves - they will ask a family "their availability" - then ignore it and do what they want. Then, if they were to "put their foot down" and ask for money, it would be kind of a joke, due to other factors (history). Plus, that particular part of the family consistently (for 20+ years) gets the least favorable accommodations (dirty diaper scented bunk beds for the adult couples, anyone??). Point being, maybe you are not doing them anyone any favors, but they are sucking it up to be together in the name of "tradition". Maybe they know the "vacation" is important to the elderly parents, for example. Or maybe they are just trying their best to do the right thing, given so little to work with. But these same people are likely damned if they do, and damned if they don't - sound familiar in any aspect, OP?

If that is the case, they really don't care if you go for two weeks and don't tell them, you have probably done so before. It is hurtful, but really, all you have to do is communicate and gently explain, you know - use your words, and explain what your expectations are, beforehand. I like the resort idea. Maybe you have to be open to more change and flexibility and inclusivity once per year, and that is perfectly okay. No one is looking to steal your crown. No one really enjoys those big, dirty beach houses all that much.

Was there a point to this gibberish? How is it at all relevant? Was it just an elaborate exercise in you projecting your own issues onto OP and her family? And what's with the snotty, "No one is looking to steal your crown"?

Why so nasty? Hit home a little too close? I was using examples of people I know. If it is not you, then don't worry about it so much. Point being, maybe not everyone "enjoys" the vacation week, it might actually be a sacrifice to some to attend. Way to totally miss the point.

Alternatively, the beach week may be a special treat for the others, and OP could be selfish, either way. Also, some families are not so great at communication, which I suspect might be the case with OP. I imagine that makes not just the beach week stressful, for OP, but perhaps the other 51 weeks of the year, as well. Some people are fine communicating to get their way, but that is the extent of their communication abilities.

After reading two completely nonsensical posts, I am 100% sure you have no standing to criticize OP’s (or anyone’s) communication skills. Yikes.

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Whatever you say - you seem accustomed to people telling you that you are "right" (to shut you up).

Sorry not sorry it hit too close to home for you.

“Sorry not sorry?” “Hit a nerve?” Seriously, are you in 7th grade?

Next will be “I said what I said.”

With a little “nanny nanny foo foo” thrown in. That PP (who was projecting wildly) is off her rocker.

Definitely hit too close to home. Thank you for the confirmation.

I was a NP. There are several of us who know you’re nutty.

No one cares. Stop trying to derail the thread, please.

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This seems very simple because it is a DH problem.
I would let him know that if his family comes HE alone is responsible for entertaining, feeding and lodging them. I woudl get a nearby condo for me and the kids.
If he balks at the cost ask why his mom and sis get a free room but you can't have one to yourself?

DH needs to put his foot down and establish boundaries becuase you are creating a tradition I don't think you want to keep here.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, OP, given your update and how there are still housing options, your DH should send one more message:

“Hey fam, our family is heading back to the beach this summer. It didn’t work to squeeze into our normal small house so we’ve got two options: if you all want to join us still for the weekend, you can rent a nearby condo. Here are some options. We can still gather and do meals at our house.

Or we rent a bigger house for the two weeks. Total cost is $6,000 each week and we can split it based on us taking 2 bedrooms and each of you taking one - so your share would be $1,500 each. We can sort menus and grocery plans as it gets closer.

Unless we hear from you, we are assuming you aren’t up for the larger house rental and we will hope it works out for you to rent a condo nearly and join us for part of the trip.”

I like this. Send via email so there’s no confusion.

I like this too.

I like it too, but include an rsvp date where you will be booking your own place if you don’t hear from them.

+2 But I wouldn't offer your house for ALL meals. I'd say "we can gather for dinners and each take a turn cooking or ordering out. Otherwise they'll camp out at your beach house all day with no plan for food (ask me how I know) and only be at their nearby condo to sleep.

+3 on being clear that people should take turns/split cooking/paying for carryout/groceries...

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I just can’t imagine going to a sibling or sibling in laws beach house that they rented and never once offering to pay a portion. Even if they owned it and we were invited, being hosted I can’t imagine not offering and insisting on paying for groceries and take out along with sending a super nice hostess gift. Who does trashy stuff like this?

OP’s MIL sounds just as bad. She’s turned OPs vacation into her family reunion, inviting people, extending her stay and all on OPs wallet. I have an older relative who behaves this way. She will try to takeover anything, invite people, step all over the hosts, and act like it’s her house. No one wants to host or invite more than a small subset any more or auntie nightmare will pop up and take over.

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Anonymous wrote:This seems very simple because it is a DH problem.
I would let him know that if his family comes HE alone is responsible for entertaining, feeding and lodging them. I woudl get a nearby condo for me and the kids.
If he balks at the cost ask why his mom and sis get a free room but you can't have one to yourself?

DH needs to put his foot down and establish boundaries becuase you are creating a tradition I don't think you want to keep here.

OP, what is the history here? Did MIL traditionally do the vacation house, then the SIL took over? It may be that the precedent has been set.

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Anonymous wrote:Two summers ago DH and I decided to rent a beach house for 2 weeks in August. At the end of the trip we invited DH’s parents to come for a weekend. Overall it was a nice time. Last summer we rented the same house and in addition to DH’s parents coming, they pretty much invited his sister/BIL and their kids and everyone went from staying for a weekend to 5/6 days. It was fine, but the small house was pretty chaotic and instead of my kids having a bedroom they had to stay in the room with DH and me so his parents could have one room and his sister and her family had the other. No one offered to chip in for the most part so not only did we pay for the beach house, but we paid for most of the food too.

We were planning to rent a house again this summer and MIL already made a comment about how much fun everyone had and they can’t wait to come back. I suggested that we find a bigger house and all split it, which was pretty much met with blank stares. They pretty much just want us to foot the bill for their summer vacation.

I want to disinvite them, although let’s be clear that we have not invited them, but DH thinks that will not go over well. Can we tell them that if they want to come they need to contribute without it becoming a “thing”? I don’t see why others can’t chip in so we can get a more comfortable house. Why should we pay for the whole thing and be crammed in one bedroom, feeding everyone, etc? What would you do?

This would not be happening. The conversation would be "yes it was fun but, if we're going to do it again, we'll need a bigger house and to split the cost. Let me know if you want to do that. If not, then we'll shoot for next summer." Then do not share your plans of when/where. If they ask, say it's just your family.

That's such rank entitlement, I don't even know what to say. I'd never ask my inlaws or siblings to finance my beach vacation.

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Anonymous wrote:Two summers ago DH and I decided to rent a beach house for 2 weeks in August. At the end of the trip we invited DH’s parents to come for a weekend. Overall it was a nice time. Last summer we rented the same house and in addition to DH’s parents coming, they pretty much invited his sister/BIL and their kids and everyone went from staying for a weekend to 5/6 days. It was fine, but the small house was pretty chaotic and instead of my kids having a bedroom they had to stay in the room with DH and me so his parents could have one room and his sister and her family had the other. No one offered to chip in for the most part so not only did we pay for the beach house, but we paid for most of the food too.

We were planning to rent a house again this summer and MIL already made a comment about how much fun everyone had and they can’t wait to come back. I suggested that we find a bigger house and all split it, which was pretty much met with blank stares. They pretty much just want us to foot the bill for their summer vacation.

I want to disinvite them, although let’s be clear that we have not invited them, but DH thinks that will not go over well. Can we tell them that if they want to come they need to contribute without it becoming a “thing”? I don’t see why others can’t chip in so we can get a more comfortable house. Why should we pay for the whole thing and be crammed in one bedroom, feeding everyone, etc? What would you do?

This would not be happening. The conversation would be "yes it was fun but, if we're going to do it again, we'll need a bigger house and to split the cost. Let me know if you want to do that. If not, then we'll shoot for next summer." Then do not share your plans of when/where. If they ask, say it's just your family.

That's such rank entitlement, I don't even know what to say. I'd never ask my inlaws or siblings to finance my beach vacation.

OP, are they attending the entire beach week? Or just a few days?

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I wouldn't tell anyone and we'd be off during another week, just us. If they want to go again tell then to reserve it and you'll pay your share.

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Any update from OP?

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You say no

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you and your husband need to decide what you want to do and go from there. Whatever the plan is, it will be easier if the two of you are on the same page.

We are the “poor” relatives on my husband’s side and not once have we invites ourselves on family members’ vacations or felt like they needed to host us, so to the PPs suggesting OP might be the “rich” relative who owes everyone else a free vacation, no.

I'm PP and I'm not saying they "owe" it. Of course they don't have to, and if they did pay it would be an incredibly generous thing to do.

Going on vacations with my extended family is one of my favorite childhood memories. The games we played inside, the beach time, how we all got to know one another, etc. Those vacations created bonds for me that I still have in adulthood. And the aunt and uncle who were doing the lion's share of renting the beach house -- I have a great relationship with them today, and check in on them and keep up with them to make sure they're doing okay. They are -- they don't need me. But they were good to me and I think of them in that light. If they needed something, I'd be there for them.

It's not all about money. You can make it about money, and then you'll miss out on the relationships.

Of course if they all make about the same amount and the rest of the family is just freeloading thoughtlessly, forget it.

Good for you for though childhood memories, but that's not what happens in every extended family vacation.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you and your husband need to decide what you want to do and go from there. Whatever the plan is, it will be easier if the two of you are on the same page.

We are the “poor” relatives on my husband’s side and not once have we invites ourselves on family members’ vacations or felt like they needed to host us, so to the PPs suggesting OP might be the “rich” relative who owes everyone else a free vacation, no.

I'm PP and I'm not saying they "owe" it. Of course they don't have to, and if they did pay it would be an incredibly generous thing to do.

Going on vacations with my extended family is one of my favorite childhood memories. The games we played inside, the beach time, how we all got to know one another, etc. Those vacations created bonds for me that I still have in adulthood. And the aunt and uncle who were doing the lion's share of renting the beach house -- I have a great relationship with them today, and check in on them and keep up with them to make sure they're doing okay. They are -- they don't need me. But they were good to me and I think of them in that light. If they needed something, I'd be there for them.

It's not all about money. You can make it about money, and then you'll miss out on the relationships.

Of course if they all make about the same amount and the rest of the family is just freeloading thoughtlessly, forget it.

Plus, you can interview same members of the same family, and get totally different feedback on what makes a "good" vacation.
Good for you for though childhood memories, but that's not what happens in every extended family vacation.

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Anonymous wrote:Two summers ago DH and I decided to rent a beach house for 2 weeks in August. At the end of the trip we invited DH’s parents to come for a weekend. Overall it was a nice time. Last summer we rented the same house and in addition to DH’s parents coming, they pretty much invited his sister/BIL and their kids and everyone went from staying for a weekend to 5/6 days. It was fine, but the small house was pretty chaotic and instead of my kids having a bedroom they had to stay in the room with DH and me so his parents could have one room and his sister and her family had the other. No one offered to chip in for the most part so not only did we pay for the beach house, but we paid for most of the food too.

We were planning to rent a house again this summer and MIL already made a comment about how much fun everyone had and they can’t wait to come back. I suggested that we find a bigger house and all split it, which was pretty much met with blank stares. They pretty much just want us to foot the bill for their summer vacation.

I want to disinvite them, although let’s be clear that we have not invited them, but DH thinks that will not go over well. Can we tell them that if they want to come they need to contribute without it becoming a “thing”? I don’t see why others can’t chip in so we can get a more comfortable house. Why should we pay for the whole thing and be crammed in one bedroom, feeding everyone, etc? What would you do?

OP, it is fine to invite just the parents, but it is not fine to invite just half of the IL's, and not the other half. That is plain rude, and I think you know that, hence your post.

Is this an annual tradition (of your family) that you are taking over? Is this a place that you prefer to go, and maybe not all of the family members? I ask because in our family, we have members from other areas (which happen to be near nice beaches) - so we understand that (other beach area) is their preference, as they grew up an hour away from that beach - so that is where they vacation. In other words, they have their own traditions that are generations longer than mine (!!!), so I respect that (if I want to be a decent IL). So, part of their limited time off (most of us are retired, but not this particular IL family), they go to see their cousins, who they actually grew up with. They have limited vacation time to work with, their kids are still in school, and there are other families involved in their planning. Part of being a good IL is being considerate, and not selfish and/or self centered.

I do know families who just think of themselves - they will ask a family "their availability" - then ignore it and do what they want. Then, if they were to "put their foot down" and ask for money, it would be kind of a joke, due to other factors (history). Plus, that particular part of the family consistently (for 20+ years) gets the least favorable accommodations (dirty diaper scented bunk beds for the adult couples, anyone??). Point being, maybe you are not doing them anyone any favors, but they are sucking it up to be together in the name of "tradition". Maybe they know the "vacation" is important to the elderly parents, for example. Or maybe they are just trying their best to do the right thing, given so little to work with. But these same people are likely damned if they do, and damned if they don't - sound familiar in any aspect, OP?

If that is the case, they really don't care if you go for two weeks and don't tell them, you have probably done so before. It is hurtful, but really, all you have to do is communicate and gently explain, you know - use your words, and explain what your expectations are, beforehand. I like the resort idea. Maybe you have to be open to more change and flexibility and inclusivity once per year, and that is perfectly okay. No one is looking to steal your crown. No one really enjoys those big, dirty beach houses all that much.

Was there a point to this gibberish? How is it at all relevant? Was it just an elaborate exercise in you projecting your own issues onto OP and her family? And what's with the snotty, "No one is looking to steal your crown"?

Why so nasty? Hit home a little too close? I was using examples of people I know. If it is not you, then don't worry about it so much. Point being, maybe not everyone "enjoys" the vacation week, it might actually be a sacrifice to some to attend. Way to totally miss the point.

Alternatively, the beach week may be a special treat for the others, and OP could be selfish, either way. Also, some families are not so great at communication, which I suspect might be the case with OP. I imagine that makes not just the beach week stressful, for OP, but perhaps the other 51 weeks of the year, as well. Some people are fine communicating to get their way, but that is the extent of their communication abilities.

Oh, honey. Just stop. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Speak for yourself.

I did. I said you’re embarrassing yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Two summers ago DH and I decided to rent a beach house for 2 weeks in August. At the end of the trip we invited DH’s parents to come for a weekend. Overall it was a nice time. Last summer we rented the same house and in addition to DH’s parents coming, they pretty much invited his sister/BIL and their kids and everyone went from staying for a weekend to 5/6 days. It was fine, but the small house was pretty chaotic and instead of my kids having a bedroom they had to stay in the room with DH and me so his parents could have one room and his sister and her family had the other. No one offered to chip in for the most part so not only did we pay for the beach house, but we paid for most of the food too.

We were planning to rent a house again this summer and MIL already made a comment about how much fun everyone had and they can’t wait to come back. I suggested that we find a bigger house and all split it, which was pretty much met with blank stares. They pretty much just want us to foot the bill for their summer vacation.

I want to disinvite them, although let’s be clear that we have not invited them, but DH thinks that will not go over well. Can we tell them that if they want to come they need to contribute without it becoming a “thing”? I don’t see why others can’t chip in so we can get a more comfortable house. Why should we pay for the whole thing and be crammed in one bedroom, feeding everyone, etc? What would you do?

OP, it is fine to invite just the parents, but it is not fine to invite just half of the IL's, and not the other half. That is plain rude, and I think you know that, hence your post.

Is this an annual tradition (of your family) that you are taking over? Is this a place that you prefer to go, and maybe not all of the family members? I ask because in our family, we have members from other areas (which happen to be near nice beaches) - so we understand that (other beach area) is their preference, as they grew up an hour away from that beach - so that is where they vacation. In other words, they have their own traditions that are generations longer than mine (!!!), so I respect that (if I want to be a decent IL). So, part of their limited time off (most of us are retired, but not this particular IL family), they go to see their cousins, who they actually grew up with. They have limited vacation time to work with, their kids are still in school, and there are other families involved in their planning. Part of being a good IL is being considerate, and not selfish and/or self centered.

I do know families who just think of themselves - they will ask a family "their availability" - then ignore it and do what they want. Then, if they were to "put their foot down" and ask for money, it would be kind of a joke, due to other factors (history). Plus, that particular part of the family consistently (for 20+ years) gets the least favorable accommodations (dirty diaper scented bunk beds for the adult couples, anyone??). Point being, maybe you are not doing them anyone any favors, but they are sucking it up to be together in the name of "tradition". Maybe they know the "vacation" is important to the elderly parents, for example. Or maybe they are just trying their best to do the right thing, given so little to work with. But these same people are likely damned if they do, and damned if they don't - sound familiar in any aspect, OP?

If that is the case, they really don't care if you go for two weeks and don't tell them, you have probably done so before. It is hurtful, but really, all you have to do is communicate and gently explain, you know - use your words, and explain what your expectations are, beforehand. I like the resort idea. Maybe you have to be open to more change and flexibility and inclusivity once per year, and that is perfectly okay. No one is looking to steal your crown. No one really enjoys those big, dirty beach houses all that much.

Was there a point to this gibberish? How is it at all relevant? Was it just an elaborate exercise in you projecting your own issues onto OP and her family? And what's with the snotty, "No one is looking to steal your crown"?

Why so nasty? Hit home a little too close? I was using examples of people I know. If it is not you, then don't worry about it so much. Point being, maybe not everyone "enjoys" the vacation week, it might actually be a sacrifice to some to attend. Way to totally miss the point.

Alternatively, the beach week may be a special treat for the others, and OP could be selfish, either way. Also, some families are not so great at communication, which I suspect might be the case with OP. I imagine that makes not just the beach week stressful, for OP, but perhaps the other 51 weeks of the year, as well. Some people are fine communicating to get their way, but that is the extent of their communication abilities.

After reading two completely nonsensical posts, I am 100% sure you have no standing to criticize OP’s (or anyone’s) communication skills. Yikes.

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Whatever you say - you seem accustomed to people telling you that you are "right" (to shut you up).

Sorry not sorry it hit too close to home for you.

“Sorry not sorry?” “Hit a nerve?” Seriously, are you in 7th grade?

Next will be “I said what I said.”

With a little “nanny nanny foo foo” thrown in. That PP (who was projecting wildly) is off her rocker.

Definitely hit too close to home. Thank you for the confirmation.

Doubling down on the middle school retorts. So clearly this is a desperate plea for attention on your part. Good to know. We’ll ignore you from now on.

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Anonymous wrote:Two summers ago DH and I decided to rent a beach house for 2 weeks in August. At the end of the trip we invited DH’s parents to come for a weekend. Overall it was a nice time. Last summer we rented the same house and in addition to DH’s parents coming, they pretty much invited his sister/BIL and their kids and everyone went from staying for a weekend to 5/6 days. It was fine, but the small house was pretty chaotic and instead of my kids having a bedroom they had to stay in the room with DH and me so his parents could have one room and his sister and her family had the other. No one offered to chip in for the most part so not only did we pay for the beach house, but we paid for most of the food too.

We were planning to rent a house again this summer and MIL already made a comment about how much fun everyone had and they can’t wait to come back. I suggested that we find a bigger house and all split it, which was pretty much met with blank stares. They pretty much just want us to foot the bill for their summer vacation.

I want to disinvite them, although let’s be clear that we have not invited them, but DH thinks that will not go over well. Can we tell them that if they want to come they need to contribute without it becoming a “thing”? I don’t see why others can’t chip in so we can get a more comfortable house. Why should we pay for the whole thing and be crammed in one bedroom, feeding everyone, etc? What would you do?

OP, it is fine to invite just the parents, but it is not fine to invite just half of the IL's, and not the other half. That is plain rude, and I think you know that, hence your post.

Is this an annual tradition (of your family) that you are taking over? Is this a place that you prefer to go, and maybe not all of the family members? I ask because in our family, we have members from other areas (which happen to be near nice beaches) - so we understand that (other beach area) is their preference, as they grew up an hour away from that beach - so that is where they vacation. In other words, they have their own traditions that are generations longer than mine (!!!), so I respect that (if I want to be a decent IL). So, part of their limited time off (most of us are retired, but not this particular IL family), they go to see their cousins, who they actually grew up with. They have limited vacation time to work with, their kids are still in school, and there are other families involved in their planning. Part of being a good IL is being considerate, and not selfish and/or self centered.

I do know families who just think of themselves - they will ask a family "their availability" - then ignore it and do what they want. Then, if they were to "put their foot down" and ask for money, it would be kind of a joke, due to other factors (history). Plus, that particular part of the family consistently (for 20+ years) gets the least favorable accommodations (dirty diaper scented bunk beds for the adult couples, anyone??). Point being, maybe you are not doing them anyone any favors, but they are sucking it up to be together in the name of "tradition". Maybe they know the "vacation" is important to the elderly parents, for example. Or maybe they are just trying their best to do the right thing, given so little to work with. But these same people are likely damned if they do, and damned if they don't - sound familiar in any aspect, OP?

If that is the case, they really don't care if you go for two weeks and don't tell them, you have probably done so before. It is hurtful, but really, all you have to do is communicate and gently explain, you know - use your words, and explain what your expectations are, beforehand. I like the resort idea. Maybe you have to be open to more change and flexibility and inclusivity once per year, and that is perfectly okay. No one is looking to steal your crown. No one really enjoys those big, dirty beach houses all that much.

Was there a point to this gibberish? How is it at all relevant? Was it just an elaborate exercise in you projecting your own issues onto OP and her family? And what's with the snotty, "No one is looking to steal your crown"?

Why so nasty? Hit home a little too close? I was using examples of people I know. If it is not you, then don't worry about it so much. Point being, maybe not everyone "enjoys" the vacation week, it might actually be a sacrifice to some to attend. Way to totally miss the point.

Alternatively, the beach week may be a special treat for the others, and OP could be selfish, either way. Also, some families are not so great at communication, which I suspect might be the case with OP. I imagine that makes not just the beach week stressful, for OP, but perhaps the other 51 weeks of the year, as well. Some people are fine communicating to get their way, but that is the extent of their communication abilities.

After reading two completely nonsensical posts, I am 100% sure you have no standing to criticize OP’s (or anyone’s) communication skills. Yikes.

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Whatever you say - you seem accustomed to people telling you that you are "right" (to shut you up).

Sorry not sorry it hit too close to home for you.

“Sorry not sorry?” “Hit a nerve?” Seriously, are you in 7th grade?

Next will be “I said what I said.”

With a little “nanny nanny foo foo” thrown in. That PP (who was projecting wildly) is off her rocker.

Definitely hit too close to home. Thank you for the confirmation.

I was a NP. There are several of us who know you’re nutty.

No one cares. Stop trying to derail the thread, please.

You aren’t the moderator. Feel free to scroll past any comments you don’t like.