Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Andrea Yates became a more sympathetic figure over time, as more details came out about her husband and there was increased public awareness about PPP. I don't recall any outrage whatsoever about the verdict at her second trial. It's probably because of the groundwork her case laid that Clancy is being treated more sympathetically from the off.

I can be both horrified by what happened to the Yates children and sympathetic to Andrea Yates. She was completely out of her mind. And to be restored to her mind, she then had to come to grips with what she'd done while out of it, which sounds like an unspeakable hell. Apparently she refuses to be reviewed for release from the mental hospital every year even though she might be eligible at this point.

What a saint. 🙄🙄

I have no sympathy for these murderers. I know plenty of less-affluent women with the same (if not more) mental struggles, and they managed to not kill their children.

I also doubt you all would give them such a pass anyway.

I’ll save my sympathy for the dead children and the less-sympathetic mothers out there.

[Anonymous]

It’s a horrible tragedy but this guy does not need $600k. That’s not going to bring back his children. I hope he donates this money to mental health organizations or other charities in his kids names.


I find it so interesting what GoFundMes people donate to. What is money going to help with here, really?

Come on - this is pretty obvious. Off the top of my head, he will have funeral expenses, legal bills (these might be huge), therapy costs for himself (probably forever), he will be out of work for a lengthy amount of time (maybe a year?), etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Andrea Yates became a more sympathetic figure over time, as more details came out about her husband and there was increased public awareness about PPP. I don't recall any outrage whatsoever about the verdict at her second trial. It's probably because of the groundwork her case laid that Clancy is being treated more sympathetically from the off.

I can be both horrified by what happened to the Yates children and sympathetic to Andrea Yates. She was completely out of her mind. And to be restored to her mind, she then had to come to grips with what she'd done while out of it, which sounds like an unspeakable hell. Apparently she refuses to be reviewed for release from the mental hospital every year even though she might be eligible at this point.

What a saint. 🙄🙄

I have no sympathy for these murderers. I know plenty of less-affluent women with the same (if not more) mental struggles, and they managed to not kill their children.

I also doubt you all would give them such a pass anyway.

I’ll save my sympathy for the dead children and the less-sympathetic mothers out there.

You have no idea what mental struggles Clancy was facing. Your comment about “less-affluent” women having greater mental stress than Clancy suggests you think that affluent women can’t / don’t have legitimate mental illness. Mental illness doesn’t discriminate, but dismissible attitudes like yours may make it harder for a very sick affluent woman to be taken seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Andrea Yates became a more sympathetic figure over time, as more details came out about her husband and there was increased public awareness about PPP. I don't recall any outrage whatsoever about the verdict at her second trial. It's probably because of the groundwork her case laid that Clancy is being treated more sympathetically from the off.

I can be both horrified by what happened to the Yates children and sympathetic to Andrea Yates. She was completely out of her mind. And to be restored to her mind, she then had to come to grips with what she'd done while out of it, which sounds like an unspeakable hell. Apparently she refuses to be reviewed for release from the mental hospital every year even though she might be eligible at this point.

What a saint. 🙄🙄

I have no sympathy for these murderers. I know plenty of less-affluent women with the same (if not more) mental struggles, and they managed to not kill their children.

I also doubt you all would give them such a pass anyway.

I’ll save my sympathy for the dead children and the less-sympathetic mothers out there.

You have no idea what mental struggles Clancy was facing. Your comment about “less-affluent” women having greater mental stress than Clancy suggests you think that affluent women can’t / don’t have legitimate mental illness. Mental illness doesn’t discriminate, but dismissible attitudes like yours may make it harder for a very sick affluent woman to be taken seriously.

They have the resources that less affluent (and less sympathetic) women don’t have. Yet, they get all the sympathy.

Please.

Show me a less-affluent PPD-suffering Black women who got the same level of forgiveness and sympathy that these white women get………..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It’s a horrible tragedy but this guy does not need $600k. That’s not going to bring back his children. I hope he donates this money to mental health organizations or other charities in his kids names.


I find it so interesting what GoFundMes people donate to. What is money going to help with here, really?

Come on - this is pretty obvious. Off the top of my head, he will have funeral expenses, legal bills (these might be huge), therapy costs for himself (probably forever), he will be out of work for a lengthy amount of time (maybe a year?), etc.

Exactly. How long would you be out of work if your partner murdered your kids? Probably quite awhile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Andrea Yates became a more sympathetic figure over time, as more details came out about her husband and there was increased public awareness about PPP. I don't recall any outrage whatsoever about the verdict at her second trial. It's probably because of the groundwork her case laid that Clancy is being treated more sympathetically from the off.

I can be both horrified by what happened to the Yates children and sympathetic to Andrea Yates. She was completely out of her mind. And to be restored to her mind, she then had to come to grips with what she'd done while out of it, which sounds like an unspeakable hell. Apparently she refuses to be reviewed for release from the mental hospital every year even though she might be eligible at this point.

What a saint. 🙄🙄

I have no sympathy for these murderers. I know plenty of less-affluent women with the same (if not more) mental struggles, and they managed to not kill their children.

I also doubt you all would give them such a pass anyway.

I’ll save my sympathy for the dead children and the less-sympathetic mothers out there.

+1 As if any of these people claiming we should have sympathy for a murderer were sympathetic to Cho when he murdered ~30 people at Tech.

[Anonymous]

I can see prosecutors arguing that if she had been displaying signs of psychosis, the husband would not have left her alone to get takeout. In a police interview, what would he say? That she seemed like she was out of her mind, but he left her alone with the children, anyway? I guess there will have to be testimony about sudden onset of psychosis or that psychosis can be hidden, or the husband will be made to look bad/neglectful/inattentive/delusional, like Yates' husband (not that he wasn't). For not guilty by reason of insanity, either he saw she was psychotic and left her alone, anyway, or she was not psychotic to the extent that she could not be left alone with the children. Or convincing testimony that this level of psychosis can he hidden.

[Anonymous]

The reaction shouldn't be blaming. It should be, how horrific.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reaction shouldn't be blaming. It should be, how horrific.

👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽 This sentiment shall only be used for affluent white women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reaction shouldn't be blaming. It should be, how horrific.

👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽 This sentiment shall only be used for affluent white women.

Black women get PPD too, you know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Andrea Yates became a more sympathetic figure over time, as more details came out about her husband and there was increased public awareness about PPP. I don't recall any outrage whatsoever about the verdict at her second trial. It's probably because of the groundwork her case laid that Clancy is being treated more sympathetically from the off.

I can be both horrified by what happened to the Yates children and sympathetic to Andrea Yates. She was completely out of her mind. And to be restored to her mind, she then had to come to grips with what she'd done while out of it, which sounds like an unspeakable hell. Apparently she refuses to be reviewed for release from the mental hospital every year even though she might be eligible at this point.

What a saint. 🙄🙄

I have no sympathy for these murderers. I know plenty of less-affluent women with the same (if not more) mental struggles, and they managed to not kill their children.

I also doubt you all would give them such a pass anyway.

I’ll save my sympathy for the dead children and the less-sympathetic mothers out there.

+1 As if any of these people claiming we should have sympathy for a murderer were sympathetic to Cho when he murdered ~30 people at Tech.

Or James Holmes, the movie theater killer, for whom the insanity defense did not work, despite evidence in his medical records and testimony at trial. I feel for all suffering from mental illness and these victims. We are currently working within an imperfect legal and mental health system and definining not guilty by reason of insanity in a way that is difficult to establish. I think it's understandable to see why this is, though, as people who are not guilty cannot be held indefinitely against their will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is sympathetic to either of them. Maybe they are paying lip service to sound enlightening, but only a monster can murder their own child.

I have no idea who this Clancy person is, but Andrea Yates gets a lot of sympathy. Tons.

Really? I don't remember that being the case. I remember hearing that she was told not to not have more kids due to previous post partum depression. yet she still chose to have another child and it out her over the edge. I think she was judge pretty harshly for this.

I recall that her husband convinced her the doctor was wrong. He wanted more kids, she didn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reaction shouldn't be blaming. It should be, how horrific.

👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽 This sentiment shall only be used for affluent white women.

Black women get PPD too, you know.

I’m quite aware. I’m also aware that Black women do not get the benefit of compassion and sympathy and forgiveness in similar situations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reaction shouldn't be blaming. It should be, how horrific.

👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽 This sentiment shall only be used for affluent white women.

Black women get PPD too, you know.

I’m quite aware. I’m also aware that Black women do not get the benefit of compassion and sympathy and forgiveness in similar situations.

I mean, I'm trying to even think of a comparable case. I don't think I would respond any differently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reaction shouldn't be blaming. It should be, how horrific.

👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽 This sentiment shall only be used for affluent white women.

Black women get PPD too, you know.

I’m quite aware. I’m also aware that Black women do not get the benefit of compassion and sympathy and forgiveness in similar situations.

I mean, I'm trying to even think of a comparable case. I don't think I would respond any differently.

https://chicagodefender.com/postpartum-depression-and-the-stigma-of-the-strong-black-woman/