Second overdose at Kennedy

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Anonymous wrote:Not public yet, but rumors are circulating at the school that this student also died at the hospital.

That would make for two deaths at Kennedy.

Is this it will take for Kennedy admin and MCPS to crack down on security? It’s sad it took loss of life for this to be paid attention to seriously.

That’s tragic, and hopefully not true.

mCPS, the school and busy mostly also parents need to step up and crack down on their own kids. This is not just a failing for the school, but it’s a failing at home with the parents as well.

I recognize that we all parent differently, and one way is not the best or the only. But I think at some point parents need to go into their kids rooms and look through bags, drawers, and have very hard and open conversations with the kids about drug usage.

It's not just kids. Laced drugs are everywhere, all neighborhoods, all ages, all SEC.

Open borders has already supplied enough fentanyl to kill every single American. We ain’t seen nothing yet.

Nice try. Not an open borders issue.

Where you do think the fentanyl onslaught is coming from? Canada? Lol.

Can't really change supply but we can change demand. If we really wanted to end this crisis, it could be done tomorrow and it doesn't involve borders.

Bologna. We could shut down the entire country for weeks in an attempt to contain the virus. We can certainly shut down the influx of drugs. It would require acknowledgeing unpalatable facts and taking action. We would need to hold the countries of origin account able for any substance that leaves their country. We would need to secure boaders, check trade cargo, make large scale arrests and convictions of those in all levels of the supply chain. It can absolutely be done and done quickly.

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Our federal government chooses to allow this to happen. There are definite measures our leaders could take to alleviate the problem, but the political will is not there.

Name five measures they could take, keeping in mind that fentanyl mostly arrives via shipping containers from China and India.

Also how you would "hold the countries of origin accountable".

This is EXACTLY what out federal government is supposed to do. We can most definitely ask for cooperation from other countries. Biden and Harris have not done enough to fight that incessant flow of Fentanyl into the US.

What EXACTLY is our federal government supposed to do?

Our federal government’s job is to regulate who and what comes into the US. Clearly, that is not happening right now.

What EXACTLY is our federal government supposed to do?

https://www.fbi.gov/
https://www.dea.gov/

What EXACTLY is our federal government supposed to do?

Are average citizens supposed to dictate law enforcement policy and protocol to the federal agencies tasked with doing that work? GTFOH

I mean, folks on this very thread are claiming that law enforcement action and policy is incorrect and ineffectual despite major increases in both enforcement and prosecution under the Biden Administration. So, I think it is fair to ask what you believe they should be doing differently.

So you're arguing that just say NO is effective?

What do you believe they should be doing differently?

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Anonymous wrote:Not public yet, but rumors are circulating at the school that this student also died at the hospital.

That would make for two deaths at Kennedy.

Is this it will take for Kennedy admin and MCPS to crack down on security? It’s sad it took loss of life for this to be paid attention to seriously.

That’s tragic, and hopefully not true.

mCPS, the school and busy mostly also parents need to step up and crack down on their own kids. This is not just a failing for the school, but it’s a failing at home with the parents as well.

I recognize that we all parent differently, and one way is not the best or the only. But I think at some point parents need to go into their kids rooms and look through bags, drawers, and have very hard and open conversations with the kids about drug usage.

It's not just kids. Laced drugs are everywhere, all neighborhoods, all ages, all SEC.

Open borders has already supplied enough fentanyl to kill every single American. We ain’t seen nothing yet.

Nice try. Not an open borders issue.

Where you do think the fentanyl onslaught is coming from? Canada? Lol.

Can't really change supply but we can change demand. If we really wanted to end this crisis, it could be done tomorrow and it doesn't involve borders.

Bologna. We could shut down the entire country for weeks in an attempt to contain the virus. We can certainly shut down the influx of drugs. It would require acknowledgeing unpalatable facts and taking action. We would need to hold the countries of origin account able for any substance that leaves their country. We would need to secure boaders, check trade cargo, make large scale arrests and convictions of those in all levels of the supply chain. It can absolutely be done and done quickly.

THIS

Our federal government chooses to allow this to happen. There are definite measures our leaders could take to alleviate the problem, but the political will is not there.

Name five measures they could take, keeping in mind that fentanyl mostly arrives via shipping containers from China and India.

Also how you would "hold the countries of origin accountable".

This is EXACTLY what out federal government is supposed to do. We can most definitely ask for cooperation from other countries. Biden and Harris have not done enough to fight that incessant flow of Fentanyl into the US.

What EXACTLY is our federal government supposed to do?

Our federal government’s job is to regulate who and what comes into the US. Clearly, that is not happening right now.

What EXACTLY is our federal government supposed to do?

https://www.fbi.gov/
https://www.dea.gov/

What EXACTLY is our federal government supposed to do?

Are average citizens supposed to dictate law enforcement policy and protocol to the federal agencies tasked with doing that work? GTFOH

I mean, folks on this very thread are claiming that law enforcement action and policy is incorrect and ineffectual despite major increases in both enforcement and prosecution under the Biden Administration. So, I think it is fair to ask what you believe they should be doing differently.

So you're arguing that just say NO is effective?

Of course not, but "Just Say No" is domestic policy, run through HHS, and the discussion up until now has been about border security, so DHS.

An effective domestic policy, which is of course about reducing demand, would focus on harm reduction + ready access to treatment + policies that support evidence-based addiction interventions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:More info regarding the overdose and narcan administration training.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/01/use-of-opioid-overdose-antidote-on-the-rise-in-montgomery-co-schools/

If you are a parent of a tween or up in MoCo, you need to take this training and keep Narcan in your home. You may end up looking back on this ridiculous arguing in this thread with some life-historical regret if you don't.

Yes, that training is a good idea, but as a parent, you need to monitor and be involved in your kids daily lives. Trust but verify. If you suspect drugs, you test them. If it's not a one time thing, you need to get them, help and if its a family issue, get the entire family involved.

You can blame the schools, government, etc. but ultimately this is YOUR child. Schools can recommend treatment and other things but ultimately it's up to you to get it.

Personally, I don't want the school drug/alcohol testing my kids. But, I have no issue doing it myself.

You all are relying on the schools and government to do the hard parenting and that's never going to happen.

Even if you stop drugs at the ports, there will always be other ways for teens to get drugs and alcohol.

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Anonymous wrote:Not public yet, but rumors are circulating at the school that this student also died at the hospital.

That would make for two deaths at Kennedy.

Is this it will take for Kennedy admin and MCPS to crack down on security? It’s sad it took loss of life for this to be paid attention to seriously.

That’s tragic, and hopefully not true.

mCPS, the school and busy mostly also parents need to step up and crack down on their own kids. This is not just a failing for the school, but it’s a failing at home with the parents as well.

I recognize that we all parent differently, and one way is not the best or the only. But I think at some point parents need to go into their kids rooms and look through bags, drawers, and have very hard and open conversations with the kids about drug usage.

It's not just kids. Laced drugs are everywhere, all neighborhoods, all ages, all SEC.

Open borders has already supplied enough fentanyl to kill every single American. We ain’t seen nothing yet.

Nice try. Not an open borders issue.

Where you do think the fentanyl onslaught is coming from? Canada? Lol.

China, actually.

But the bigger issue with your claim is simply that we don't have "open borders" and certainly not for goods.

The drugs might originate in China, but please tell us how they physically get into the hands of our teens here in Montgomery County.

According to the DEA, they are coming from China, Mexico, and India:
https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf

Yes. And how did the kids in MCPS get their hands on these drugs from China, Mexico, and India?

Ordering online. UPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is really dangerous to believe that only “bad” kids are using drugs or even distributing them in school. The data is clear that the fentanyl crisis hits all economic statuses equally. The problem I have been seeing is that we are in an era where everything is someone’s fault. We sue for the most ridiculous reasons. Now, we want yo expect high school teachers to be allowed (and I really don’t think they should be) to sit inside of the bathroom and watch the students? That would inane in elementary school, none the less high school. Quite frankly, kids know that there is a level of privacy in bathrooms because teachers can not simply enter and there are no cameras.

By 14, all children should understand the risks of drugs. They should know what an overdose looks like and they should be very knowledgeable about the different types of drugs and what could happen. Finally, every single child will have had the experience of peer pressure in some way. Again, as a parent, you talk about this a lot. If, even with that level of instruction and consistent communication, the child ends up taking a pill that someone gave them, it is still your child’s fault. By 14, it is ridiculous to believe and stupid to want for the adults to manage every student conversation anc interaction that occurs in the hallways between classes.

We need to stop letting our kids off with believing someone else has the responsibility to keep them from ever making a poor choice and/or take the responsibility and put it on someone else. Maybe we should all remember how much time we had to practice our social skills and try out different versions of ourselves. Remember how we would bicker and then figure it out? Remember when we “little failed” and our parents didn’t bail us out? I certainly don’t want to go back in time, we have made a lot of social progress, but if we don’t start letting our kids deal with the little fails, a bad grade, getting in trouble from a teacher, forgetting their homework, then I have no idea how these kids are going to handle the big stuff. High school is the big stuff, elementary and middle provide thousands of opportunities to mess up, a little, and it will never matter, as long as the child is permitted to feel the big yucky feelings of messing up and figuring out how to fix it.

Your logic has swiss cheese-sized holes in it.

You literally talk about kids "little failing" but overdosing on drugs and DYING is not "little failing." Your point about letting them get a bad grade, get in trouble with a teacher or forget their homework is valid.

But we should just stand by and watch kids overdose on drugs and die so they can learn their lesson? How does your moral compass make sense of that?

I'm also questioning if you actually have teenage kids if you believe 14 year olds, and teenagers in general, are capable of always being rational and doing what they should do. There's a reason for the phrase "young and dumb." Most teens know better but don't do the right for a variety of reasons. Knowledge of the right then isn't the issue. It's application of that knowledge in real time under high-pressure circumstances that teenagers struggle with.

I don't believe that the person you are responding to have a child in a MCPS HS. The bathroom issue is that kids do not actually go to the bathroom to pee during the entire school day because it has been taken over by drugs. Some of the bathrooms are completely unusable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is really dangerous to believe that only “bad” kids are using drugs or even distributing them in school. The data is clear that the fentanyl crisis hits all economic statuses equally. The problem I have been seeing is that we are in an era where everything is someone’s fault. We sue for the most ridiculous reasons. Now, we want yo expect high school teachers to be allowed (and I really don’t think they should be) to sit inside of the bathroom and watch the students? That would inane in elementary school, none the less high school. Quite frankly, kids know that there is a level of privacy in bathrooms because teachers can not simply enter and there are no cameras.

By 14, all children should understand the risks of drugs. They should know what an overdose looks like and they should be very knowledgeable about the different types of drugs and what could happen. Finally, every single child will have had the experience of peer pressure in some way. Again, as a parent, you talk about this a lot. If, even with that level of instruction and consistent communication, the child ends up taking a pill that someone gave them, it is still your child’s fault. By 14, it is ridiculous to believe and stupid to want for the adults to manage every student conversation anc interaction that occurs in the hallways between classes.

We need to stop letting our kids off with believing someone else has the responsibility to keep them from ever making a poor choice and/or take the responsibility and put it on someone else. Maybe we should all remember how much time we had to practice our social skills and try out different versions of ourselves. Remember how we would bicker and then figure it out? Remember when we “little failed” and our parents didn’t bail us out? I certainly don’t want to go back in time, we have made a lot of social progress, but if we don’t start letting our kids deal with the little fails, a bad grade, getting in trouble from a teacher, forgetting their homework, then I have no idea how these kids are going to handle the big stuff. High school is the big stuff, elementary and middle provide thousands of opportunities to mess up, a little, and it will never matter, as long as the child is permitted to feel the big yucky feelings of messing up and figuring out how to fix it.

Your logic has swiss cheese-sized holes in it.

You literally talk about kids "little failing" but overdosing on drugs and DYING is not "little failing." Your point about letting them get a bad grade, get in trouble with a teacher or forget their homework is valid.

But we should just stand by and watch kids overdose on drugs and die so they can learn their lesson? How does your moral compass make sense of that?

I'm also questioning if you actually have teenage kids if you believe 14 year olds, and teenagers in general, are capable of always being rational and doing what they should do. There's a reason for the phrase "young and dumb." Most teens know better but don't do the right for a variety of reasons. Knowledge of the right then isn't the issue. It's application of that knowledge in real time under high-pressure circumstances that teenagers struggle with.

I don't believe that the person you are responding to have a child in a MCPS HS. The bathroom issue is that kids do not actually go to the bathroom to pee during the entire school day because it has been taken over by drugs. Some of the bathrooms are completely unusable.

Or closed. At our school, there are some restrooms that are simply always closed.

[Anonymous]

Where exactly are all the tax dollars going?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where exactly are all the tax dollars going?

There is a ton of money wasted in MCPS. Just look through previous threads. Central Office is huge and bloated. Lots of useless new initiatives. MCPS wastes so much money and is never held accountable.

[Anonymous]

What the feds or even state does is not relevant to safety in the public schools? The issue is we don't have any consequences, we don't have bag checks/detectors at the doors, and not enough staff/security in the actual schools. And, we have a lot of parents who don't think these things are their responsibility.

[Anonymous]

AGAIN, the way to get Narcan in your house and understand what to do with it is to take this Country training:

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/opioids/save-a-life.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What the feds or even state does is not relevant to safety in the public schools? The issue is we don't have any consequences, we don't have bag checks/detectors at the doors, and not enough staff/security in the actual schools. And, we have a lot of parents who don't think these things are their responsibility.

It's not the school's job to dispense justice. These are matters for the place and there are consequences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What the feds or even state does is not relevant to safety in the public schools? The issue is we don't have any consequences, we don't have bag checks/detectors at the doors, and not enough staff/security in the actual schools. And, we have a lot of parents who don't think these things are their responsibility.

It's not the school's job to dispense justice. These are matters for the place and there are consequences.

Except there are few police in the schools and there should be consequences at school - detention, suspension, etc. Even cleaning the school if you vandalize it.

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Anonymous wrote:It is really dangerous to believe that only “bad” kids are using drugs or even distributing them in school. The data is clear that the fentanyl crisis hits all economic statuses equally. The problem I have been seeing is that we are in an era where everything is someone’s fault. We sue for the most ridiculous reasons. Now, we want yo expect high school teachers to be allowed (and I really don’t think they should be) to sit inside of the bathroom and watch the students? That would inane in elementary school, none the less high school. Quite frankly, kids know that there is a level of privacy in bathrooms because teachers can not simply enter and there are no cameras.

By 14, all children should understand the risks of drugs. They should know what an overdose looks like and they should be very knowledgeable about the different types of drugs and what could happen. Finally, every single child will have had the experience of peer pressure in some way. Again, as a parent, you talk about this a lot. If, even with that level of instruction and consistent communication, the child ends up taking a pill that someone gave them, it is still your child’s fault. By 14, it is ridiculous to believe and stupid to want for the adults to manage every student conversation anc interaction that occurs in the hallways between classes.

We need to stop letting our kids off with believing someone else has the responsibility to keep them from ever making a poor choice and/or take the responsibility and put it on someone else. Maybe we should all remember how much time we had to practice our social skills and try out different versions of ourselves. Remember how we would bicker and then figure it out? Remember when we “little failed” and our parents didn’t bail us out? I certainly don’t want to go back in time, we have made a lot of social progress, but if we don’t start letting our kids deal with the little fails, a bad grade, getting in trouble from a teacher, forgetting their homework, then I have no idea how these kids are going to handle the big stuff. High school is the big stuff, elementary and middle provide thousands of opportunities to mess up, a little, and it will never matter, as long as the child is permitted to feel the big yucky feelings of messing up and figuring out how to fix it.

Your logic has swiss cheese-sized holes in it.

You literally talk about kids "little failing" but overdosing on drugs and DYING is not "little failing." Your point about letting them get a bad grade, get in trouble with a teacher or forget their homework is valid.

But we should just stand by and watch kids overdose on drugs and die so they can learn their lesson? How does your moral compass make sense of that?

I'm also questioning if you actually have teenage kids if you believe 14 year olds, and teenagers in general, are capable of always being rational and doing what they should do. There's a reason for the phrase "young and dumb." Most teens know better but don't do the right for a variety of reasons. Knowledge of the right then isn't the issue. It's application of that knowledge in real time under high-pressure circumstances that teenagers struggle with.

I don't believe that the person you are responding to have a child in a MCPS HS. The bathroom issue is that kids do not actually go to the bathroom to pee during the entire school day because it has been taken over by drugs. Some of the bathrooms are completely unusable.

Or closed. At our school, there are some restrooms that are simply always closed.

Or no doors. That is what happened at our high school because of drug distribution and use in bathrooms.

[Anonymous]

The fentanyl crisis is awful. Someone make it go away