The Last of Us - HBO TV show (With game spoilers)

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Anonymous wrote:HBO just announced (3 minutes ago) that the next episode (ep 5) will be streaming this Friday at 9pm!

They had to throw out another episode quickly because 4 was so boring?

Haha I was pretty on edge waiting for them to be found the whole time. Of course compared to episode 3, it wasn’t as good but I felt like it moved the plot along. The Kathleen anarchist (?) leader reminds me of the drug dealer lady from Euphoria.

Yes! it's her sweet voice. her name is Melanie Lynskey, she's married to Jason Ritter. She was also in Candy (that show where Jessica Biel axed her to death). She is only in two episodes of TLOU so they must get past Kansas City in the next episode.

she is in YellowJackets - she's the star of that show, so completely bad-ass. She's also the actress who was in Heavenly Creatures with Kate Winslet back in the 90s when they were still child actors. She is fantastic.

Can you believe she's from New Zealand!?

Yes, I can actually. Non-Americans are usually far better at doing US accents than US actors are at doing non-US accents.

But Bella Ramsey/Ellie has a terrible US accent. Pedro Pascal has a great US accent.

He is American, so maybe that’s why.

what? He's from Chile.

Born in Chile. He and his family left when he was a baby and he was raised in CA and San Antonio, TX.

Yes born in Chile so it would be understandable that he MAY not have a natural American accent

But he has a natural American accent. That was the whole point!

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Anonymous wrote:It was a really wonderful episode. I was minorly spoiled for it because I follow Tom & Lorenzo and they'd seen it before it aired and posted several non-spoilers but rave comments about it before it aired with stills from the episode so I knew from the jump base don context clues that Murray Bartlett was going to show up and also that presumably they would have a relationship. So I think that dulled the emotional impact of the storyline a bit for me but it was still incredibly well done. Murray Bartlett was wonderful as always but I loved what Nick Offerman did with that role, which was in many ways the same role he always plays except in a very unique situation and getting to see that character become vulnerable the way he does was so touching. I would love to see these two actors in something else again. Just really amazing. "You were my purpose." Gut wrenching but yes, Frank, romantic.

Also just want to echo the sentiment that sometimes storylines like this feel shoehorned in to deliver some requisite diversity to a show and this didn't at all. It felt totally organic and it did not feel possible to imagine this storyline with any other characters than this. It didn't feel like a "gay storyline" so much as it just felt entirely like Bill & Frank's story and their gender and sexual orientation was secondary to their unique characters and relationship.

I also liked that we are seeing this love story between them unfold in full before we ever find out exactly what the nature of Joel and Tess's relationship was, even after Tess has died. It feels like this episode and others will continue to hint at what was between them, and we will continue to get flashbacks to when Joel and Tess were together, throughout the season until it is more clear what they had between them. And I like that way of telling their story because it allows us to see it through Ellie's eyes a bit, as she is also on the outside looking in, but unlike Ellie, we are also getting a Birdseye view via a parallel storyline like this that likely has some relationship to Joel and Tess (as is made clear in the scenes between the four of them and also in Bill's note to Joel, where it is made clear that there are parallels between Bill and Joel though also clear differences that I think bother Joel and he doesn't want to think about them).

Anyway, if this episode doesn't sell you on this show, not sure what will.

I thought it was pretty clear Joel and Tess were a long-term couple. You don't think so?

DP, I think I'd say, yes, BUT. It was clear they had a long-term relationship, but I think it's also been made clear that Joel wasn't fully emotionally attached. I found the second episode to be kind of a snoozer, but if you leave out the zombie parts there is a lot there. Tess warms to Ellie and is very natural with her. You can see the possibility of a real attachment developing. And the scene right before Tess dies has a lot packed in. It's Ellie, not Joel, who immediately understands Tess is infected. Joel is shocked. And then Joel physically recoils from her/assumes a defensive stance. Somewhat understandable, but there's not even a moment of hesitation. And then Tess's last words are pleading with Joel to take Ellie and notably saying, "I never asked you for anything. I never even asked you to feel the same way." Bill's suicide note is a reminder to Joel that he failed in regards to Tess. But it's also a very heartfelt admission from a like person that it was worth it to fully open up oneself to fully caring for another.

DP. Wow! You got so much more from that episode than I did! I didn't pick up on that at all. I guess Tess loved Joel but he was ambivalent about her? Interesting.

My take is that he locked himself down after his daughter was killed. I do think he and Tess were involved romantically, but he never let himself get too close or too emotionally intimate. He's furious when she shows up all beaten up in the first episode and she calms him down in very much a girlfriend type way.

She actually says when she decides to stay behind that she didn’t blame him for not feeling the same for her as she did for him - but to protect Ellie and right the wrongs they did in their past. This clearly hints at a one-sided love between Tess and Joel.

I'm the PP who originally said I'm looking forward to learning more about the nature of the relationship between Tess and Joel, and perhaps seeing more flashbacks to their time together before Ellie, and yes, these are the kinds of things I was picking up on as well.

I'll also note that in the first episode, there is a sequence where Joel goes back to their apartment to sleep, and we see Tess come and lie down with him (but we are not sure it's really happening or not because this is right after the big time jump from Sarah's death and we don't even know he's in Boston or much about his life at this point), and then we see him wake up and kind of look for her and then find her in the kitchen, and then they are talking immediately about practical things related to finding his brother, getting a vehicle, etc.

And now in episode 4, when Joel is telling Ellie about how he and Tess did some bad/unethical things while they were surviving (stuff like pretending to be injured in order to get someone to stop and help you, and then attacking them to steal their stuff), he talks about hooking up with Tess early on, while he and his brother were still on their way to Boston. So we know they were together for a long time, but it also seems like their partnership was more practical -- they had similar outlooks on the world, whereas Joel and his brother did not.

We also have to assume that Tess, too, lost people in the pandemic, and I think that also influences their relationship, and also the way Tess seemed to warm to Ellie and want to help her much more quickly than Joel. Obviously Joel was/is resisting developing a connection to Ellie because it reminds him too much of Sarah and he can't process that grief or risk it again. We also see Tess develop an easy connection with Frank, while Bill and Joel remain at arms length. But Tess clearly has a story too, and I hope we get to see some if it, especially because Anna Torv is a great actress and Tess was killed way too soon. I'd love a flashback to her life before the cordyceps.

Joel has only agreed to take Ellie out of loyalty to Tess. So she remains a critical part of the show even though she is dead. I really hope to learn more about her, and I think it will also help flesh out Joel's character as well.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a really wonderful episode. I was minorly spoiled for it because I follow Tom & Lorenzo and they'd seen it before it aired and posted several non-spoilers but rave comments about it before it aired with stills from the episode so I knew from the jump base don context clues that Murray Bartlett was going to show up and also that presumably they would have a relationship. So I think that dulled the emotional impact of the storyline a bit for me but it was still incredibly well done. Murray Bartlett was wonderful as always but I loved what Nick Offerman did with that role, which was in many ways the same role he always plays except in a very unique situation and getting to see that character become vulnerable the way he does was so touching. I would love to see these two actors in something else again. Just really amazing. "You were my purpose." Gut wrenching but yes, Frank, romantic.

Also just want to echo the sentiment that sometimes storylines like this feel shoehorned in to deliver some requisite diversity to a show and this didn't at all. It felt totally organic and it did not feel possible to imagine this storyline with any other characters than this. It didn't feel like a "gay storyline" so much as it just felt entirely like Bill & Frank's story and their gender and sexual orientation was secondary to their unique characters and relationship.

I also liked that we are seeing this love story between them unfold in full before we ever find out exactly what the nature of Joel and Tess's relationship was, even after Tess has died. It feels like this episode and others will continue to hint at what was between them, and we will continue to get flashbacks to when Joel and Tess were together, throughout the season until it is more clear what they had between them. And I like that way of telling their story because it allows us to see it through Ellie's eyes a bit, as she is also on the outside looking in, but unlike Ellie, we are also getting a Birdseye view via a parallel storyline like this that likely has some relationship to Joel and Tess (as is made clear in the scenes between the four of them and also in Bill's note to Joel, where it is made clear that there are parallels between Bill and Joel though also clear differences that I think bother Joel and he doesn't want to think about them).

Anyway, if this episode doesn't sell you on this show, not sure what will.

I thought it was pretty clear Joel and Tess were a long-term couple. You don't think so?

DP, I think I'd say, yes, BUT. It was clear they had a long-term relationship, but I think it's also been made clear that Joel wasn't fully emotionally attached. I found the second episode to be kind of a snoozer, but if you leave out the zombie parts there is a lot there. Tess warms to Ellie and is very natural with her. You can see the possibility of a real attachment developing. And the scene right before Tess dies has a lot packed in. It's Ellie, not Joel, who immediately understands Tess is infected. Joel is shocked. And then Joel physically recoils from her/assumes a defensive stance. Somewhat understandable, but there's not even a moment of hesitation. And then Tess's last words are pleading with Joel to take Ellie and notably saying, "I never asked you for anything. I never even asked you to feel the same way." Bill's suicide note is a reminder to Joel that he failed in regards to Tess. But it's also a very heartfelt admission from a like person that it was worth it to fully open up oneself to fully caring for another.

DP. Wow! You got so much more from that episode than I did! I didn't pick up on that at all. I guess Tess loved Joel but he was ambivalent about her? Interesting.

My take is that he locked himself down after his daughter was killed. I do think he and Tess were involved romantically, but he never let himself get too close or too emotionally intimate. He's furious when she shows up all beaten up in the first episode and she calms him down in very much a girlfriend type way.

She actually says when she decides to stay behind that she didn’t blame him for not feeling the same for her as she did for him - but to protect Ellie and right the wrongs they did in their past. This clearly hints at a one-sided love between Tess and Joel.

I'm the PP who originally said I'm looking forward to learning more about the nature of the relationship between Tess and Joel, and perhaps seeing more flashbacks to their time together before Ellie, and yes, these are the kinds of things I was picking up on as well.

I'll also note that in the first episode, there is a sequence where Joel goes back to their apartment to sleep, and we see Tess come and lie down with him (but we are not sure it's really happening or not because this is right after the big time jump from Sarah's death and we don't even know he's in Boston or much about his life at this point), and then we see him wake up and kind of look for her and then find her in the kitchen, and then they are talking immediately about practical things related to finding his brother, getting a vehicle, etc.

And now in episode 4, when Joel is telling Ellie about how he and Tess did some bad/unethical things while they were surviving (stuff like pretending to be injured in order to get someone to stop and help you, and then attacking them to steal their stuff), he talks about hooking up with Tess early on, while he and his brother were still on their way to Boston. So we know they were together for a long time, but it also seems like their partnership was more practical -- they had similar outlooks on the world, whereas Joel and his brother did not.

We also have to assume that Tess, too, lost people in the pandemic, and I think that also influences their relationship, and also the way Tess seemed to warm to Ellie and want to help her much more quickly than Joel. Obviously Joel was/is resisting developing a connection to Ellie because it reminds him too much of Sarah and he can't process that grief or risk it again. We also see Tess develop an easy connection with Frank, while Bill and Joel remain at arms length. But Tess clearly has a story too, and I hope we get to see some if it, especially because Anna Torv is a great actress and Tess was killed way too soon. I'd love a flashback to her life before the cordyceps.

Joel has only agreed to take Ellie out of loyalty to Tess. So she remains a critical part of the show even though she is dead. I really hope to learn more about her, and I think it will also help flesh out Joel's character as well.

+1 to all of this. The only place I differ slightly is that I think the relationship was romantic/sexual, but was not necessarily formed or maintained because of that.

And yeah, I want an entire Tess flashback episode.

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Anonymous wrote:HBO just announced (3 minutes ago) that the next episode (ep 5) will be streaming this Friday at 9pm!

They had to throw out another episode quickly because 4 was so boring?

Haha I was pretty on edge waiting for them to be found the whole time. Of course compared to episode 3, it wasn’t as good but I felt like it moved the plot along. The Kathleen anarchist (?) leader reminds me of the drug dealer lady from Euphoria.

Yes! it's her sweet voice. her name is Melanie Lynskey, she's married to Jason Ritter. She was also in Candy (that show where Jessica Biel axed her to death). She is only in two episodes of TLOU so they must get past Kansas City in the next episode.

she is in YellowJackets - she's the star of that show, so completely bad-ass. She's also the actress who was in Heavenly Creatures with Kate Winslet back in the 90s when they were still child actors. She is fantastic.

Can you believe she's from New Zealand!?

Yes, I can actually. Non-Americans are usually far better at doing US accents than US actors are at doing non-US accents.

But Bella Ramsey/Ellie has a terrible US accent. Pedro Pascal has a great US accent.

He is American, so maybe that’s why.

what? He's from Chile.

Born in Chile. He and his family left when he was a baby and he was raised in CA and San Antonio, TX.

+1

Why would he have an accent if he's been in the US since he was a young child?

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Anonymous wrote:HBO just announced (3 minutes ago) that the next episode (ep 5) will be streaming this Friday at 9pm!

They had to throw out another episode quickly because 4 was so boring?

Haha I was pretty on edge waiting for them to be found the whole time. Of course compared to episode 3, it wasn’t as good but I felt like it moved the plot along. The Kathleen anarchist (?) leader reminds me of the drug dealer lady from Euphoria.

Sadly, I kind of agree.

On the one hand I love that the show is turning the zombie trope a little on its head. It's not like the sense of constant danger in TWD. On the other hand, it's a little slow. I am also nitpickily bothered by some things:

-Joel and Ellie are now in Kansas City. I guess it's possible that they made a trip that would take 21 hours today in less than 48 hours, but...If you're going to throw in a line marking the time as two days later then you're inviting commentary;
-people are eating a lot of canned food. I understand that cans can last beyond the best by date (talk to my kids about it!) but it's been 20 years since the collapse;
-the doctor/prisoner's remark to Kathleen (Melanie Lynskey) that he delivered her. Kathleen is 40 if she's a day. She certainly isn't younger than 20. If that doctor delivering her as a baby before the collapse was going to be a part of the storyline, then fine. But that really doesn't seem to be the case so it's just sloppy.

It doesn't really take away from my enjoyment of the show, but it's noticeable.

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Anonymous wrote:HBO just announced (3 minutes ago) that the next episode (ep 5) will be streaming this Friday at 9pm!

They had to throw out another episode quickly because 4 was so boring?

Haha I was pretty on edge waiting for them to be found the whole time. Of course compared to episode 3, it wasn’t as good but I felt like it moved the plot along. The Kathleen anarchist (?) leader reminds me of the drug dealer lady from Euphoria.

Sadly, I kind of agree.

On the one hand I love that the show is turning the zombie trope a little on its head. It's not like the sense of constant danger in TWD. On the other hand, it's a little slow. I am also nitpickily bothered by some things:

-Joel and Ellie are now in Kansas City. I guess it's possible that they made a trip that would take 21 hours today in less than 48 hours, but...If you're going to throw in a line marking the time as two days later then you're inviting commentary;
-people are eating a lot of canned food. I understand that cans can last beyond the best by date (talk to my kids about it!) but it's been 20 years since the collapse;
-the doctor/prisoner's remark to Kathleen (Melanie Lynskey) that he delivered her. Kathleen is 40 if she's a day. She certainly isn't younger than 20. If that doctor delivering her as a baby before the collapse was going to be a part of the storyline, then fine. But that really doesn't seem to be the case so it's just sloppy.

It doesn't really take away from my enjoyment of the show, but it's noticeable.

I got the impression that while society hasn’t totally “collapsed” like in TWD on Station Eleven. There is government in QZs. They mention factories making weapons. I would assume there still is food production going on too.

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^^^ impression that society hasn’t totally “collapsed”

Btw this is one thing I like about the show. In other post-apocalyptic shows I think the absence even decades later of any government or progress toward reestablishing industry are too unrealistic .

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Anonymous wrote:HBO just announced (3 minutes ago) that the next episode (ep 5) will be streaming this Friday at 9pm!

They had to throw out another episode quickly because 4 was so boring?

Haha I was pretty on edge waiting for them to be found the whole time. Of course compared to episode 3, it wasn’t as good but I felt like it moved the plot along. The Kathleen anarchist (?) leader reminds me of the drug dealer lady from Euphoria.

Yes! it's her sweet voice. her name is Melanie Lynskey, she's married to Jason Ritter. She was also in Candy (that show where Jessica Biel axed her to death). She is only in two episodes of TLOU so they must get past Kansas City in the next episode.

she is in YellowJackets - she's the star of that show, so completely bad-ass. She's also the actress who was in Heavenly Creatures with Kate Winslet back in the 90s when they were still child actors. She is fantastic.

Can you believe she's from New Zealand!?

Yes, I can actually. Non-Americans are usually far better at doing US accents than US actors are at doing non-US accents.

But Bella Ramsey/Ellie has a terrible US accent. Pedro Pascal has a great US accent.

He is American, so maybe that’s why.

what? He's from Chile.

Born in Chile. He and his family left when he was a baby and he was raised in CA and San Antonio, TX.

Yes born in Chile so it would be understandable that he MAY not have a natural American accent

But he has a natural American accent. That was the whole point!

But no one would know unless they heard him speak as himself! I haven't seen an interview with him. Seeing that he's from Chile would make someone assume he doesn't speak with an American accent, jeez you are so dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:HBO just announced (3 minutes ago) that the next episode (ep 5) will be streaming this Friday at 9pm!

They had to throw out another episode quickly because 4 was so boring?

Haha I was pretty on edge waiting for them to be found the whole time. Of course compared to episode 3, it wasn’t as good but I felt like it moved the plot along. The Kathleen anarchist (?) leader reminds me of the drug dealer lady from Euphoria.

Yes! it's her sweet voice. her name is Melanie Lynskey, she's married to Jason Ritter. She was also in Candy (that show where Jessica Biel axed her to death). She is only in two episodes of TLOU so they must get past Kansas City in the next episode.

she is in YellowJackets - she's the star of that show, so completely bad-ass. She's also the actress who was in Heavenly Creatures with Kate Winslet back in the 90s when they were still child actors. She is fantastic.

Can you believe she's from New Zealand!?

Yes, I can actually. Non-Americans are usually far better at doing US accents than US actors are at doing non-US accents.

But Bella Ramsey/Ellie has a terrible US accent. Pedro Pascal has a great US accent.

He is American, so maybe that’s why.

what? He's from Chile.

Born in Chile. He and his family left when he was a baby and he was raised in CA and San Antonio, TX.

Yes born in Chile so it would be understandable that he MAY not have a natural American accent

But he has a natural American accent. That was the whole point!

But no one would know unless they heard him speak as himself! I haven't seen an interview with him. Seeing that he's from Chile would make someone assume he doesn't speak with an American accent, jeez you are so dumb.

He’s from the US. Given that you’re incorrectly making assumptions based off of false facts, you may reconsider calling other people dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:It was a really wonderful episode. I was minorly spoiled for it because I follow Tom & Lorenzo and they'd seen it before it aired and posted several non-spoilers but rave comments about it before it aired with stills from the episode so I knew from the jump base don context clues that Murray Bartlett was going to show up and also that presumably they would have a relationship. So I think that dulled the emotional impact of the storyline a bit for me but it was still incredibly well done. Murray Bartlett was wonderful as always but I loved what Nick Offerman did with that role, which was in many ways the same role he always plays except in a very unique situation and getting to see that character become vulnerable the way he does was so touching. I would love to see these two actors in something else again. Just really amazing. "You were my purpose." Gut wrenching but yes, Frank, romantic.

Also just want to echo the sentiment that sometimes storylines like this feel shoehorned in to deliver some requisite diversity to a show and this didn't at all. It felt totally organic and it did not feel possible to imagine this storyline with any other characters than this. It didn't feel like a "gay storyline" so much as it just felt entirely like Bill & Frank's story and their gender and sexual orientation was secondary to their unique characters and relationship.

I also liked that we are seeing this love story between them unfold in full before we ever find out exactly what the nature of Joel and Tess's relationship was, even after Tess has died. It feels like this episode and others will continue to hint at what was between them, and we will continue to get flashbacks to when Joel and Tess were together, throughout the season until it is more clear what they had between them. And I like that way of telling their story because it allows us to see it through Ellie's eyes a bit, as she is also on the outside looking in, but unlike Ellie, we are also getting a Birdseye view via a parallel storyline like this that likely has some relationship to Joel and Tess (as is made clear in the scenes between the four of them and also in Bill's note to Joel, where it is made clear that there are parallels between Bill and Joel though also clear differences that I think bother Joel and he doesn't want to think about them).

Anyway, if this episode doesn't sell you on this show, not sure what will.

I thought it was pretty clear Joel and Tess were a long-term couple. You don't think so?

DP, I think I'd say, yes, BUT. It was clear they had a long-term relationship, but I think it's also been made clear that Joel wasn't fully emotionally attached. I found the second episode to be kind of a snoozer, but if you leave out the zombie parts there is a lot there. Tess warms to Ellie and is very natural with her. You can see the possibility of a real attachment developing. And the scene right before Tess dies has a lot packed in. It's Ellie, not Joel, who immediately understands Tess is infected. Joel is shocked. And then Joel physically recoils from her/assumes a defensive stance. Somewhat understandable, but there's not even a moment of hesitation. And then Tess's last words are pleading with Joel to take Ellie and notably saying, "I never asked you for anything. I never even asked you to feel the same way." Bill's suicide note is a reminder to Joel that he failed in regards to Tess. But it's also a very heartfelt admission from a like person that it was worth it to fully open up oneself to fully caring for another.

DP. Wow! You got so much more from that episode than I did! I didn't pick up on that at all. I guess Tess loved Joel but he was ambivalent about her? Interesting.

My take is that he locked himself down after his daughter was killed. I do think he and Tess were involved romantically, but he never let himself get too close or too emotionally intimate. He's furious when she shows up all beaten up in the first episode and she calms him down in very much a girlfriend type way.

She actually says when she decides to stay behind that she didn’t blame him for not feeling the same for her as she did for him - but to protect Ellie and right the wrongs they did in their past. This clearly hints at a one-sided love between Tess and Joel.

I'm the PP who originally said I'm looking forward to learning more about the nature of the relationship between Tess and Joel, and perhaps seeing more flashbacks to their time together before Ellie, and yes, these are the kinds of things I was picking up on as well.

I'll also note that in the first episode, there is a sequence where Joel goes back to their apartment to sleep, and we see Tess come and lie down with him (but we are not sure it's really happening or not because this is right after the big time jump from Sarah's death and we don't even know he's in Boston or much about his life at this point), and then we see him wake up and kind of look for her and then find her in the kitchen, and then they are talking immediately about practical things related to finding his brother, getting a vehicle, etc.

And now in episode 4, when Joel is telling Ellie about how he and Tess did some bad/unethical things while they were surviving (stuff like pretending to be injured in order to get someone to stop and help you, and then attacking them to steal their stuff), he talks about hooking up with Tess early on, while he and his brother were still on their way to Boston. So we know they were together for a long time, but it also seems like their partnership was more practical -- they had similar outlooks on the world, whereas Joel and his brother did not.

We also have to assume that Tess, too, lost people in the pandemic, and I think that also influences their relationship, and also the way Tess seemed to warm to Ellie and want to help her much more quickly than Joel. Obviously Joel was/is resisting developing a connection to Ellie because it reminds him too much of Sarah and he can't process that grief or risk it again. We also see Tess develop an easy connection with Frank, while Bill and Joel remain at arms length. But Tess clearly has a story too, and I hope we get to see some if it, especially because Anna Torv is a great actress and Tess was killed way too soon. I'd love a flashback to her life before the cordyceps.

Joel has only agreed to take Ellie out of loyalty to Tess. So she remains a critical part of the show even though she is dead. I really hope to learn more about her, and I think it will also help flesh out Joel's character as well.

I don’t this is a spoiler because it refers to prior episodes, and it’s not apparently going to be shown in any flashbacks, but after episode 2 aired, the show creators said they’d written a piece into the script (but it didn’t end up getting filmed) where Tess had a husband and son before the outbreak. They both were infected and she killed her husband, but couldn’t bring herself to kill her son, so she locked him in the basement before leaving. Given that the fungus can sustain bodies it’s possible that he still “alive” in the basement.

https://mashable.com/article/the-last-of-us-tess-backstory

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Anonymous wrote:HBO just announced (3 minutes ago) that the next episode (ep 5) will be streaming this Friday at 9pm!

They had to throw out another episode quickly because 4 was so boring?

Haha I was pretty on edge waiting for them to be found the whole time. Of course compared to episode 3, it wasn’t as good but I felt like it moved the plot along. The Kathleen anarchist (?) leader reminds me of the drug dealer lady from Euphoria.

Yes! it's her sweet voice. her name is Melanie Lynskey, she's married to Jason Ritter. She was also in Candy (that show where Jessica Biel axed her to death). She is only in two episodes of TLOU so they must get past Kansas City in the next episode.

she is in YellowJackets - she's the star of that show, so completely bad-ass. She's also the actress who was in Heavenly Creatures with Kate Winslet back in the 90s when they were still child actors. She is fantastic.

Can you believe she's from New Zealand!?

Yes, I can actually. Non-Americans are usually far better at doing US accents than US actors are at doing non-US accents.

But Bella Ramsey/Ellie has a terrible US accent. Pedro Pascal has a great US accent.

He is American, so maybe that’s why.

what? He's from Chile.

Born in Chile. He and his family left when he was a baby and he was raised in CA and San Antonio, TX.

Yes born in Chile so it would be understandable that he MAY not have a natural American accent

But he has a natural American accent. That was the whole point!

But no one would know unless they heard him speak as himself! I haven't seen an interview with him. Seeing that he's from Chile would make someone assume he doesn't speak with an American accent, jeez you are so dumb.

He’s from the US. Given that you’re incorrectly making assumptions based off of false facts, you may reconsider calling other people dumb.

He was born in Chile! lol you all crack me up.

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Anonymous wrote:HBO just announced (3 minutes ago) that the next episode (ep 5) will be streaming this Friday at 9pm!

They had to throw out another episode quickly because 4 was so boring?

Haha I was pretty on edge waiting for them to be found the whole time. Of course compared to episode 3, it wasn’t as good but I felt like it moved the plot along. The Kathleen anarchist (?) leader reminds me of the drug dealer lady from Euphoria.

Yes! it's her sweet voice. her name is Melanie Lynskey, she's married to Jason Ritter. She was also in Candy (that show where Jessica Biel axed her to death). She is only in two episodes of TLOU so they must get past Kansas City in the next episode.

she is in YellowJackets - she's the star of that show, so completely bad-ass. She's also the actress who was in Heavenly Creatures with Kate Winslet back in the 90s when they were still child actors. She is fantastic.

Can you believe she's from New Zealand!?

Yes, I can actually. Non-Americans are usually far better at doing US accents than US actors are at doing non-US accents.

But Bella Ramsey/Ellie has a terrible US accent. Pedro Pascal has a great US accent.

He is American, so maybe that’s why.

what? He's from Chile.

Born in Chile. He and his family left when he was a baby and he was raised in CA and San Antonio, TX.

Yes born in Chile so it would be understandable that he MAY not have a natural American accent

DP. Do a little research before posting! Honestly. He only lived in Chile until he was nine months old. He grew up in the US and is bi-lingual.

In the 1970s, Pascal's parents opposed Chilean military dictator Augusto Pinochet and had to flee the country with nine-month-old Pascal and his sister. As political refugees, the family moved to Denmark, then settled in San Antonio, Texas. After several years, Pascal and his family were able to regularly visit family in Chile. He grew up speaking Spanish and English.

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Anonymous wrote:HBO just announced (3 minutes ago) that the next episode (ep 5) will be streaming this Friday at 9pm!

They had to throw out another episode quickly because 4 was so boring?

Haha I was pretty on edge waiting for them to be found the whole time. Of course compared to episode 3, it wasn’t as good but I felt like it moved the plot along. The Kathleen anarchist (?) leader reminds me of the drug dealer lady from Euphoria.

Sadly, I kind of agree.

On the one hand I love that the show is turning the zombie trope a little on its head. It's not like the sense of constant danger in TWD. On the other hand, it's a little slow. I am also nitpickily bothered by some things:

-Joel and Ellie are now in Kansas City. I guess it's possible that they made a trip that would take 21 hours today in less than 48 hours, but...If you're going to throw in a line marking the time as two days later then you're inviting commentary;
-people are eating a lot of canned food. I understand that cans can last beyond the best by date (talk to my kids about it!) but it's been 20 years since the collapse;
-the doctor/prisoner's remark to Kathleen (Melanie Lynskey) that he delivered her. Kathleen is 40 if she's a day. She certainly isn't younger than 20. If that doctor delivering her as a baby before the collapse was going to be a part of the storyline, then fine. But that really doesn't seem to be the case so it's just sloppy.

It doesn't really take away from my enjoyment of the show, but it's noticeable.

Just curious: are you the same poster who parsed "This is Us" to within an inch of its life? Every date, every detail, dissected at length? Please don't do that here. Just enjoy the show.

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Anonymous wrote:HBO just announced (3 minutes ago) that the next episode (ep 5) will be streaming this Friday at 9pm!

They had to throw out another episode quickly because 4 was so boring?

Haha I was pretty on edge waiting for them to be found the whole time. Of course compared to episode 3, it wasn’t as good but I felt like it moved the plot along. The Kathleen anarchist (?) leader reminds me of the drug dealer lady from Euphoria.

Yes! it's her sweet voice. her name is Melanie Lynskey, she's married to Jason Ritter. She was also in Candy (that show where Jessica Biel axed her to death). She is only in two episodes of TLOU so they must get past Kansas City in the next episode.

she is in YellowJackets - she's the star of that show, so completely bad-ass. She's also the actress who was in Heavenly Creatures with Kate Winslet back in the 90s when they were still child actors. She is fantastic.

Can you believe she's from New Zealand!?

Yes, I can actually. Non-Americans are usually far better at doing US accents than US actors are at doing non-US accents.

But Bella Ramsey/Ellie has a terrible US accent. Pedro Pascal has a great US accent.

He is American, so maybe that’s why.

what? He's from Chile.

Born in Chile. He and his family left when he was a baby and he was raised in CA and San Antonio, TX.

Yes born in Chile so it would be understandable that he MAY not have a natural American accent

But he has a natural American accent. That was the whole point!

But no one would know unless they heard him speak as himself! I haven't seen an interview with him. Seeing that he's from Chile would make someone assume he doesn't speak with an American accent, jeez you are so dumb.

Oh my. The irony.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:HBO just announced (3 minutes ago) that the next episode (ep 5) will be streaming this Friday at 9pm!

They had to throw out another episode quickly because 4 was so boring?

Haha I was pretty on edge waiting for them to be found the whole time. Of course compared to episode 3, it wasn’t as good but I felt like it moved the plot along. The Kathleen anarchist (?) leader reminds me of the drug dealer lady from Euphoria.

Yes! it's her sweet voice. her name is Melanie Lynskey, she's married to Jason Ritter. She was also in Candy (that show where Jessica Biel axed her to death). She is only in two episodes of TLOU so they must get past Kansas City in the next episode.

she is in YellowJackets - she's the star of that show, so completely bad-ass. She's also the actress who was in Heavenly Creatures with Kate Winslet back in the 90s when they were still child actors. She is fantastic.

Can you believe she's from New Zealand!?

Yes, I can actually. Non-Americans are usually far better at doing US accents than US actors are at doing non-US accents.

But Bella Ramsey/Ellie has a terrible US accent. Pedro Pascal has a great US accent.

He is American, so maybe that’s why.

what? He's from Chile.

Born in Chile. He and his family left when he was a baby and he was raised in CA and San Antonio, TX.

Yes born in Chile so it would be understandable that he MAY not have a natural American accent

DP. Do a little research before posting! Honestly. He only lived in Chile until he was nine months old. He grew up in the US and is bi-lingual.

In the 1970s, Pascal's parents opposed Chilean military dictator Augusto Pinochet and had to flee the country with nine-month-old Pascal and his sister. As political refugees, the family moved to Denmark, then settled in San Antonio, Texas. After several years, Pascal and his family were able to regularly visit family in Chile. He grew up speaking Spanish and English.

Forgot the link: https://www.biography.com/actor/jos%C3%A9-pedro-balmaceda-pascal