Redshirting August boy?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve posted this here before but the post Covid kindergarten landscape is different than it was for kids now in middle school or even upper elementary, and in private school especially, the boys are most likely held back. The 75% poster has it right. There are no summer boys in my DS’s first grade class that went “on time”. Not one. It’s probably expected that you will redshirt and I would be prepared for the school to bring it up.

My son attends a private school in DC and there are no redshirted boys. Not one and my son has a summer birthday. And one with an August birthday. The school never brought it up and this is one of the top ranked schools in the dmv area.

You know the birthday of every boy in school?

Actually, yes I do.

Unless you work there it’s weird.

Since you know nothing about my position, what’s weird is your assumption.

You’re weirdly obsessed with boy birthdays. Bizarre.

You’re weirdly obsessed with a bizarre and illogical argument. I have to know those birthdays and you have given yours child’s school his/her birthday. Did you not? Keep struggling.

Stay mad angry troll!! Love how these threads bring you out from under your bridge.

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- parent of a late August birthday kid who didn't redshirt

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Parent of an August 4th boy who we didn't redshirt. The difference becomes enormous around 6th grade.

NP. Quite the opposite, actually.

Another NP here. Oh? So you can state for a fact that this other poster’s experience didn’t happen? Interesting.

I have an August girl. We didn’t redshirt. Academics were fine, but socially and emotionally she was definitely more immature when middle school came around.

Yes, I am stating that. And I’m also stating there are immature non redshirted kids as well.

What are you even saying? I'm sure there are many immature non-redshirted kids, including many who are the youngest in the grade.

Including older ones as well. Immaturity is not unique to only non-redshirted or younger children.

Of course not, but given that studies show that the youngest in grade are more likely to be diagnosed with ADD, suffer from depression, and have lower academic achievement than the oldest in the grade, its worth taking a holist look at your child to determine readiness.

Not every kid needs to be held back, but some kids would benefit from an extra year before starting school. It's not simply measuring one middle schooler against another. Sometimes, as in my son's case, it's the cumulative effect of immaturity, overactivity, poor concentration, and social factors that cause kids to disengage in school, and it shows in a big way beginning in 6th grade.

- mom to 4 kids with summer birthdays who only regrets not redshirting one of them

My non-redshirted children have not been diagnosed with ADHD, do not suffer from depression, and score well.
Way to put down children who are not held back.

What are you even talking about? I'm referring to a study, not diagnosing your kids.

Screw you, your kid is a problem and you are trying to make yourself feel better with suggesting others need what yours needs.

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- parent of a late August birthday kid who didn't redshirt

+1

Parent of an August 4th boy who we didn't redshirt. The difference becomes enormous around 6th grade.

NP. Quite the opposite, actually.

Another NP here. Oh? So you can state for a fact that this other poster’s experience didn’t happen? Interesting.

I have an August girl. We didn’t redshirt. Academics were fine, but socially and emotionally she was definitely more immature when middle school came around.

Yes, I am stating that. And I’m also stating there are immature non redshirted kids as well.

What are you even saying? I'm sure there are many immature non-redshirted kids, including many who are the youngest in the grade.

Including older ones as well. Immaturity is not unique to only non-redshirted or younger children.

Of course not, but given that studies show that the youngest in grade are more likely to be diagnosed with ADD, suffer from depression, and have lower academic achievement than the oldest in the grade, its worth taking a holist look at your child to determine readiness.

Not every kid needs to be held back, but some kids would benefit from an extra year before starting school. It's not simply measuring one middle schooler against another. Sometimes, as in my son's case, it's the cumulative effect of immaturity, overactivity, poor concentration, and social factors that cause kids to disengage in school, and it shows in a big way beginning in 6th grade.

- mom to 4 kids with summer birthdays who only regrets not redshirting one of them

My non-redshirted children have not been diagnosed with ADHD, do not suffer from depression, and score well.
Way to put down children who are not held back.

Not that PP (who didn’t put anyone down), and your hysterical overreaction does not speak well of you or your decision-making.

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- parent of a late August birthday kid who didn't redshirt

+1

Parent of an August 4th boy who we didn't redshirt. The difference becomes enormous around 6th grade.

NP. Quite the opposite, actually.

Another NP here. Oh? So you can state for a fact that this other poster’s experience didn’t happen? Interesting.

I have an August girl. We didn’t redshirt. Academics were fine, but socially and emotionally she was definitely more immature when middle school came around.

Yes, I am stating that. And I’m also stating there are immature non redshirted kids as well.

What are you even saying? I'm sure there are many immature non-redshirted kids, including many who are the youngest in the grade.

Including older ones as well. Immaturity is not unique to only non-redshirted or younger children.

Of course not, but given that studies show that the youngest in grade are more likely to be diagnosed with ADD, suffer from depression, and have lower academic achievement than the oldest in the grade, it is worth taking a holistic ook at your child to determine readiness.

Not every kid needs to be held back, but some kids would benefit from an extra year before starting school. It's not simply measuring one middle schooler against another. Sometimes, as in my son's case, it's the cumulative effect of immaturity, overactivity, poor concentration, and social factors that cause kids to disengage in school, and it shows in a big way beginning in 6th grade.

- mom to 4 kids with summer birthdays who only regrets not redshirting one of them

Sounds like your child has a problem regardless of redshirting or not.

But that's the point. He is who he is. He would have had some issues regardless of when he started school, but certainly being the youngest in the class did not help at all. He's the kind of kid who should be redshirted. that extra year would have helped.

Then don’t make the argument for children who are neurotypical to be redshirted and label those who are not redshirted with ADD, depression, and poor grades.

Where did I do that? Did you miss the point where I specifically stated that not every kid needs to be held back? Read what you are responding to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do it.

- parent of a late August birthday kid who didn't redshirt

+1

Parent of an August 4th boy who we didn't redshirt. The difference becomes enormous around 6th grade.

NP. Quite the opposite, actually.

Another NP here. Oh? So you can state for a fact that this other poster’s experience didn’t happen? Interesting.

I have an August girl. We didn’t redshirt. Academics were fine, but socially and emotionally she was definitely more immature when middle school came around.

Yes, I am stating that. And I’m also stating there are immature non redshirted kids as well.

What are you even saying? I'm sure there are many immature non-redshirted kids, including many who are the youngest in the grade.

Including older ones as well. Immaturity is not unique to only non-redshirted or younger children.

Of course not, but given that studies show that the youngest in grade are more likely to be diagnosed with ADD, suffer from depression, and have lower academic achievement than the oldest in the grade, its worth taking a holist look at your child to determine readiness.

Not every kid needs to be held back, but some kids would benefit from an extra year before starting school. It's not simply measuring one middle schooler against another. Sometimes, as in my son's case, it's the cumulative effect of immaturity, overactivity, poor concentration, and social factors that cause kids to disengage in school, and it shows in a big way beginning in 6th grade.

- mom to 4 kids with summer birthdays who only regrets not redshirting one of them

Sounds like your child has a problem regardless of redshirting or not.

But that's the point. He is who he is. He would have had some issues regardless of when he started school, but certainly being the youngest in the class did not help at all. He's the kind of kid who should be redshirted. that extra year would have helped.

Then don’t make the argument for children who are neurotypical to be redshirted and label those who are not redshirted with ADD, depression, and poor grades.

Ooooooh man. We’ve got another crazy live one here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve posted this here before but the post Covid kindergarten landscape is different than it was for kids now in middle school or even upper elementary, and in private school especially, the boys are most likely held back. The 75% poster has it right. There are no summer boys in my DS’s first grade class that went “on time”. Not one. It’s probably expected that you will redshirt and I would be prepared for the school to bring it up.

My son attends a private school in DC and there are no redshirted boys. Not one and my son has a summer birthday. And one with an August birthday. The school never brought it up and this is one of the top ranked schools in the dmv area.

You know the birthday of every boy in school?

Actually, yes I do.

Unless you work there it’s weird.

Since you know nothing about my position, what’s weird is your assumption.

You’re weirdly obsessed with boy birthdays. Bizarre.

You’re weirdly obsessed with a bizarre and illogical argument. I have to know those birthdays and you have given yours child’s school his/her birthday. Did you not? Keep struggling.

Stay mad angry troll!! Love how these threads bring you out from under your bridge.

The same bridge as yours! Stay mad with your juvenile non sequitor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do it.

- parent of a late August birthday kid who didn't redshirt

+1

Parent of an August 4th boy who we didn't redshirt. The difference becomes enormous around 6th grade.

NP. Quite the opposite, actually.

Another NP here. Oh? So you can state for a fact that this other poster’s experience didn’t happen? Interesting.

I have an August girl. We didn’t redshirt. Academics were fine, but socially and emotionally she was definitely more immature when middle school came around.

Yes, I am stating that. And I’m also stating there are immature non redshirted kids as well.

What are you even saying? I'm sure there are many immature non-redshirted kids, including many who are the youngest in the grade.

Including older ones as well. Immaturity is not unique to only non-redshirted or younger children.

Of course not, but given that studies show that the youngest in grade are more likely to be diagnosed with ADD, suffer from depression, and have lower academic achievement than the oldest in the grade, its worth taking a holist look at your child to determine readiness.

Not every kid needs to be held back, but some kids would benefit from an extra year before starting school. It's not simply measuring one middle schooler against another. Sometimes, as in my son's case, it's the cumulative effect of immaturity, overactivity, poor concentration, and social factors that cause kids to disengage in school, and it shows in a big way beginning in 6th grade.

- mom to 4 kids with summer birthdays who only regrets not redshirting one of them

Sounds like your child has a problem regardless of redshirting or not.

But that's the point. He is who he is. He would have had some issues regardless of when he started school, but certainly being the youngest in the class did not help at all. He's the kind of kid who should be redshirted. that extra year would have helped.

Then don’t make the argument for children who are neurotypical to be redshirted and label those who are not redshirted with ADD, depression, and poor grades.

Ooooooh man. We’ve got another crazy live one here.

Stop talking about your son like that.

[Anonymous]

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- parent of a late August birthday kid who didn't redshirt

+1

Parent of an August 4th boy who we didn't redshirt. The difference becomes enormous around 6th grade.

NP. Quite the opposite, actually.

Another NP here. Oh? So you can state for a fact that this other poster’s experience didn’t happen? Interesting.

I have an August girl. We didn’t redshirt. Academics were fine, but socially and emotionally she was definitely more immature when middle school came around.

Yes, I am stating that. And I’m also stating there are immature non redshirted kids as well.

What are you even saying? I'm sure there are many immature non-redshirted kids, including many who are the youngest in the grade.

Including older ones as well. Immaturity is not unique to only non-redshirted or younger children.

Of course not, but given that studies show that the youngest in grade are more likely to be diagnosed with ADD, suffer from depression, and have lower academic achievement than the oldest in the grade, it is worth taking a holistic ook at your child to determine readiness.

Not every kid needs to be held back, but some kids would benefit from an extra year before starting school. It's not simply measuring one middle schooler against another. Sometimes, as in my son's case, it's the cumulative effect of immaturity, overactivity, poor concentration, and social factors that cause kids to disengage in school, and it shows in a big way beginning in 6th grade.

- mom to 4 kids with summer birthdays who only regrets not redshirting one of them

Sounds like your child has a problem regardless of redshirting or not.

But that's the point. He is who he is. He would have had some issues regardless of when he started school, but certainly being the youngest in the class did not help at all. He's the kind of kid who should be redshirted. that extra year would have helped.

Then don’t make the argument for children who are neurotypical to be redshirted and label those who are not redshirted with ADD, depression, and poor grades.

Where did I do that? Did you miss the point where I specifically stated that not every kid needs to be held back? Read what you are responding to.

Keep playing obtuse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do it.

- parent of a late August birthday kid who didn't redshirt

+1

Parent of an August 4th boy who we didn't redshirt. The difference becomes enormous around 6th grade.

NP. Quite the opposite, actually.

Another NP here. Oh? So you can state for a fact that this other poster’s experience didn’t happen? Interesting.

I have an August girl. We didn’t redshirt. Academics were fine, but socially and emotionally she was definitely more immature when middle school came around.

Yes, I am stating that. And I’m also stating there are immature non redshirted kids as well.

What are you even saying? I'm sure there are many immature non-redshirted kids, including many who are the youngest in the grade.

Including older ones as well. Immaturity is not unique to only non-redshirted or younger children.

Of course not, but given that studies show that the youngest in grade are more likely to be diagnosed with ADD, suffer from depression, and have lower academic achievement than the oldest in the grade, its worth taking a holist look at your child to determine readiness.

Not every kid needs to be held back, but some kids would benefit from an extra year before starting school. It's not simply measuring one middle schooler against another. Sometimes, as in my son's case, it's the cumulative effect of immaturity, overactivity, poor concentration, and social factors that cause kids to disengage in school, and it shows in a big way beginning in 6th grade.

- mom to 4 kids with summer birthdays who only regrets not redshirting one of them

My non-redshirted children have not been diagnosed with ADHD, do not suffer from depression, and score well.
Way to put down children who are not held back.

Not that PP (who didn’t put anyone down), and your hysterical overreaction does not speak well of you or your decision-making.

Ok, sock puppet with your drama queen accusation.

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I don't get why you'd hold your child back? Even with SN, they should go on time to get help and support. Most people push holding back as that's what they did and want to justify their choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't get why you'd hold your child back? Even with SN, they should go on time to get help and support. Most people push holding back as that's what they did and want to justify their choice.

That is exactly right. They are trying it justify it and seeking validation.

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Anonymous wrote:Before you redshirt, just remember that you will have a year of parenting an adult in the future.

So many of my friends who redshirted their boys had huge struggles once they reached 18 and still had another year of HS left.

Lots of "you can't make me, I'm 18" and fighting.

And if you don’t redshirt a late August birthday, you’ll most likely be dropping off a 17 year old, non-adult to college, since many colleges start mid-August. There are downsides to that as well.

No, they would be turning 18.

If move-in day is August 15 and your DC turns 18 on August 31, they will be 17 when you drop them off at college. Yes, they turn 18 quickly but you’re dropping off a kid who is not yet a legal adult.

You wouldn’t send your child to college because of the two weeks of being 17? Good Lord!

What's the rush?

What’s the holdup?

For me it was that my late August birthday kid cried every single day of kindergarten because she "just wanted to play" and hated all of the seat work in school. She was sent to the Principal's office daily for minor infractions and started considering herself to be a "bad kid." Academically she was fine, but she lacked social emotional readiness to succeed in K. Having been through that year, I wish I'd held her. It took us years to rebuilt her interest in school and confidence that she's not inherently "bad."

That would be my hold up. My kid's well being.

Yet, you accuse others who put their child through at the appropriate time as rushing.
Your kid had a problem, most do not.

I'm a NP and didn't accuse anyone of rushing. I was just explaining why someone might hold a kid.

For the record there's nothing wrong with my kid except being young for her grade and immature. She grew put of all of it. We could have saved a lot of angst for everyone (her, us, teachers, classmates) by just letting her start when she was a bit older.

Where do you get that most August kids, especially boys, are ready under today's K expectations? I think the abundance of redshirting weighs against that conclusion.

If these kids are a year younger, they aren't less mature than their peers and its not developmentally appropriate for them to be more "mature."

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I’m the PP with the data analytics background and FYI one of the only groups of studies that are reasonably solid and replicated worldwide with sufficiently large datasets are the ones demonstrating a correlation between relative age in class and diagnosis of ADHD and/or prescription of ADHD drugs. The only place where that correlation was not found was in the Netherlands. But otherwise, there is a well-established correlation between being young for grade and relative likelihood of an ADHD diagnosis or prescription of medication. My only caveat is that I looked at this pre-Covid; I haven’t revisited the studies since then.

Note this occurs independent of redshirting. These studies were not about redshirting and that correlation exists in countries where redshirting doesn’t exist.

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Anonymous wrote:Before you redshirt, just remember that you will have a year of parenting an adult in the future.

So many of my friends who redshirted their boys had huge struggles once they reached 18 and still had another year of HS left.

Lots of "you can't make me, I'm 18" and fighting.

And if you don’t redshirt a late August birthday, you’ll most likely be dropping off a 17 year old, non-adult to college, since many colleges start mid-August. There are downsides to that as well.

No, they would be turning 18.

If move-in day is August 15 and your DC turns 18 on August 31, they will be 17 when you drop them off at college. Yes, they turn 18 quickly but you’re dropping off a kid who is not yet a legal adult.

You wouldn’t send your child to college because of the two weeks of being 17? Good Lord!

What's the rush?

What’s the holdup?

For me it was that my late August birthday kid cried every single day of kindergarten because she "just wanted to play" and hated all of the seat work in school. She was sent to the Principal's office daily for minor infractions and started considering herself to be a "bad kid." Academically she was fine, but she lacked social emotional readiness to succeed in K. Having been through that year, I wish I'd held her. It took us years to rebuilt her interest in school and confidence that she's not inherently "bad."

That would be my hold up. My kid's well being.

It sounds like you failed to prepare her for K. My kid was fine but they were well prepared by preschool and us.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get why you'd hold your child back? Even with SN, they should go on time to get help and support. Most people push holding back as that's what they did and want to justify their choice.

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