Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

[Anonymous]

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People won’t bike to work because it takes additional time to bike and shower at work. Like a lot of time.

ICYMI: we have staff who are kvetching about the lost time of commuting by car since we drafted them back into the office after covid. They want to work from home because the commute is a time suck.

Do you really think those people will magically opt to bike to work? As if.

It takes less time for me to bike to work than to drive or take public transit.

Do you live in Moco or NoVA? Close in?

I’ve lived in MoCo and commuted to DC (White House area) for nearly 25 years. Post-covid, very few people take metro. Nobody takes the bus. Everyone drives for convenience, health and now safety reasons. The handful of people who biked to work retired; 3 lived in DC, and the other lived in close-in MoCo. A couple young colleagues ride bikes or scooters to work occasionally depending on weather. They live downtown.

This “solution” on CT Ave is ridiculous. It will only benefit a select few who are already living near a bus line.

I wonder if the “solution” was proposed by privileged people who don’t want to use the bus.

I also work in the WH area and live a mile or two from the MD /DC line. During the morning commute, biking is much faster for me than driving or taking the bus. It's not even close. The same would hold true for anyone who lives reasonably close to the Capitol Crescent Trail or the various trails in NoVA.

It takes 20 minutes in the morning to drive from the corner of Bradley and Wisconsin to the WH area in the mornings. It takes at least twice as long by bicycle. Ask me how I know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Time.

People won’t bike to work because it takes additional time to bike and shower at work. Like a lot of time.

ICYMI: we have staff who are kvetching about the lost time of commuting by car since we drafted them back into the office after covid. They want to work from home because the commute is a time suck.

Do you really think those people will magically opt to bike to work? As if.

It takes less time for me to bike to work than to drive or take public transit.

Do you live in Moco or NoVA? Close in?

I’ve lived in MoCo and commuted to DC (White House area) for nearly 25 years. Post-covid, very few people take metro. Nobody takes the bus. Everyone drives for convenience, health and now safety reasons. The handful of people who biked to work retired; 3 lived in DC, and the other lived in close-in MoCo. A couple young colleagues ride bikes or scooters to work occasionally depending on weather. They live downtown.

This “solution” on CT Ave is ridiculous. It will only benefit a select few who are already living near a bus line.

I wonder if the “solution” was proposed by privileged people who don’t want to use the bus.

I also work in the WH area and live a mile or two from the MD /DC line. During the morning commute, biking is much faster for me than driving or taking the bus. It's not even close. The same would hold true for anyone who lives reasonably close to the Capitol Crescent Trail or the various trails in NoVA.

You live close enough to bike and you opt for the fastest commute.

Makes sense.

It also makes sense for those of us who live more than a mile from the dc border to take the faster option…a car.

Bikes will slow down the commute for everyone on the bus and in cars. And more bikers will result in more bike accidents…that’s just math.

I’ve been hit by two bikers on CT Ave. Both times I had been stopped at a light when they hit me.

And? Cars slow down the commute for pedestrians and buses. Do you care? If you choose to live further out you get the benefit of a bigger house or better school district or other amenities. It isn’t DC’s job to cater to you until the end of time

This. Why do people on here think that it's the job of the DC government to make it relatively less attractive to live within the city limits and to commute in ways that create all kinds of problems for everyone else in the world, including others who drive?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I want to support bikers and alternative methods of transportation, but the infrastructure is inadequate to do this safely and bikers want it both ways - obey the traffic laws when it’s in their interest and not when it’s not. Bikers traveling quickly alongside cars, darting out between cars, and not obeying road signs is anxiety provoking. Also, sometimes I just do not see them. If bikers are in the countryside on a heavily traveled road, like Georgetown Pike, they’re taking their lives in their hands. People don’t want to travel the Pike at 15mph and going around them can be treacherous and unreasonable with high traffic levels. Again, I want to support bikers, but I find that their presence on roadways is anxiety-provoking and oftentimes dangerous.

This. Is. Why. They. Want. Protected. Lanes.

For the dozen bikers each morning?

Why not create a path via side streets closed to commuters?

Having seen this play out in a few instances, the honest answer to your question is that, whenever bike lanes along the side streets more often than not requires the removal of residential parking spots. For most neighborhoods in DC, this is a third rail. The political opposition becomes almost impossible for DDOT to overcome. Installing bike lanes along mixed zones like Connecticut Ave is actually a lot easier politically for DDOT. Despite the protestations of the MD commuter class, they don't vote in DC elections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to support bikers and alternative methods of transportation, but the infrastructure is inadequate to do this safely and bikers want it both ways - obey the traffic laws when it’s in their interest and not when it’s not. Bikers traveling quickly alongside cars, darting out between cars, and not obeying road signs is anxiety provoking. Also, sometimes I just do not see them. If bikers are in the countryside on a heavily traveled road, like Georgetown Pike, they’re taking their lives in their hands. People don’t want to travel the Pike at 15mph and going around them can be treacherous and unreasonable with high traffic levels. Again, I want to support bikers, but I find that their presence on roadways is anxiety-provoking and oftentimes dangerous.

This. Is. Why. They. Want. Protected. Lanes.

For the dozen bikers each morning?

Why not create a path via side streets closed to commuters?

Cyclists ARE commuters. You want a street that is closed for biking that is closed to cyclists?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to support bikers and alternative methods of transportation, but the infrastructure is inadequate to do this safely and bikers want it both ways - obey the traffic laws when it’s in their interest and not when it’s not. Bikers traveling quickly alongside cars, darting out between cars, and not obeying road signs is anxiety provoking. Also, sometimes I just do not see them. If bikers are in the countryside on a heavily traveled road, like Georgetown Pike, they’re taking their lives in their hands. People don’t want to travel the Pike at 15mph and going around them can be treacherous and unreasonable with high traffic levels. Again, I want to support bikers, but I find that their presence on roadways is anxiety-provoking and oftentimes dangerous.

This. Is. Why. They. Want. Protected. Lanes.

For the dozen bikers each morning?

Why not create a path via side streets closed to commuters?

Having seen this play out in a few instances, the honest answer to your question is that, whenever bike lanes along the side streets more often than not requires the removal of residential parking spots. For most neighborhoods in DC, this is a third rail. The political opposition becomes almost impossible for DDOT to overcome. Installing bike lanes along mixed zones like Connecticut Ave is actually a lot easier politically for DDOT. Despite the protestations of the MD commuter class, they don't vote in DC elections.

You are acting as if dc residents don’t drive to work. They do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to support bikers and alternative methods of transportation, but the infrastructure is inadequate to do this safely and bikers want it both ways - obey the traffic laws when it’s in their interest and not when it’s not. Bikers traveling quickly alongside cars, darting out between cars, and not obeying road signs is anxiety provoking. Also, sometimes I just do not see them. If bikers are in the countryside on a heavily traveled road, like Georgetown Pike, they’re taking their lives in their hands. People don’t want to travel the Pike at 15mph and going around them can be treacherous and unreasonable with high traffic levels. Again, I want to support bikers, but I find that their presence on roadways is anxiety-provoking and oftentimes dangerous.

This. Is. Why. They. Want. Protected. Lanes.

For the dozen bikers each morning?

Why not create a path via side streets closed to commuters?

Having seen this play out in a few instances, the honest answer to your question is that, whenever bike lanes along the side streets more often than not requires the removal of residential parking spots. For most neighborhoods in DC, this is a third rail. The political opposition becomes almost impossible for DDOT to overcome. Installing bike lanes along mixed zones like Connecticut Ave is actually a lot easier politically for DDOT. Despite the protestations of the MD commuter class, they don't vote in DC elections.

You are acting as if dc residents don’t drive to work. They do.

A minority of DC commuters drive to work. Check the census stats on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to support bikers and alternative methods of transportation, but the infrastructure is inadequate to do this safely and bikers want it both ways - obey the traffic laws when it’s in their interest and not when it’s not. Bikers traveling quickly alongside cars, darting out between cars, and not obeying road signs is anxiety provoking. Also, sometimes I just do not see them. If bikers are in the countryside on a heavily traveled road, like Georgetown Pike, they’re taking their lives in their hands. People don’t want to travel the Pike at 15mph and going around them can be treacherous and unreasonable with high traffic levels. Again, I want to support bikers, but I find that their presence on roadways is anxiety-provoking and oftentimes dangerous.

This. Is. Why. They. Want. Protected. Lanes.

For the dozen bikers each morning?

Why not create a path via side streets closed to commuters?

Having seen this play out in a few instances, the honest answer to your question is that, whenever bike lanes along the side streets more often than not requires the removal of residential parking spots. For most neighborhoods in DC, this is a third rail. The political opposition becomes almost impossible for DDOT to overcome. Installing bike lanes along mixed zones like Connecticut Ave is actually a lot easier politically for DDOT. Despite the protestations of the MD commuter class, they don't vote in DC elections.

You are acting as if dc residents don’t drive to work. They do.

A minority of DC commuters drive to work. Check the census stats on this.

The majority of DC commuters who live along upper Connecticut and will be most impacted by removing vehicle lanes DRIVE to work. Check out DCDOT data on this.

The childless 27 year olds living in the milennial dormitories in Shaw and NOMA do love their scooters and e-bikes and don't drive, it's true. Their habits shouldn't dictate the entire city's transportation policy. If they are too afraid to rent a scooter to visit Comet Pizza, I'd like to suggest this thingy called "the subway."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to support bikers and alternative methods of transportation, but the infrastructure is inadequate to do this safely and bikers want it both ways - obey the traffic laws when it’s in their interest and not when it’s not. Bikers traveling quickly alongside cars, darting out between cars, and not obeying road signs is anxiety provoking. Also, sometimes I just do not see them. If bikers are in the countryside on a heavily traveled road, like Georgetown Pike, they’re taking their lives in their hands. People don’t want to travel the Pike at 15mph and going around them can be treacherous and unreasonable with high traffic levels. Again, I want to support bikers, but I find that their presence on roadways is anxiety-provoking and oftentimes dangerous.

This. Is. Why. They. Want. Protected. Lanes.

For the dozen bikers each morning?

Why not create a path via side streets closed to commuters?

Having seen this play out in a few instances, the honest answer to your question is that, whenever bike lanes along the side streets more often than not requires the removal of residential parking spots. For most neighborhoods in DC, this is a third rail. The political opposition becomes almost impossible for DDOT to overcome. Installing bike lanes along mixed zones like Connecticut Ave is actually a lot easier politically for DDOT. Despite the protestations of the MD commuter class, they don't vote in DC elections.

You are acting as if dc residents don’t drive to work. They do.

A minority of DC commuters drive to work. Check the census stats on this.

The majority of DC commuters who live along upper Connecticut and will be most impacted by removing vehicle lanes DRIVE to work. Check out DCDOT data on this.

The childless 27 year olds living in the milennial dormitories in Shaw and NOMA do love their scooters and e-bikes and don't drive, it's true. Their habits shouldn't dictate the entire city's transportation policy. If they are too afraid to rent a scooter to visit Comet Pizza, I'd like to suggest this thingy called "the subway."

Tell me you're not from DC without telling me you're not from DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to support bikers and alternative methods of transportation, but the infrastructure is inadequate to do this safely and bikers want it both ways - obey the traffic laws when it’s in their interest and not when it’s not. Bikers traveling quickly alongside cars, darting out between cars, and not obeying road signs is anxiety provoking. Also, sometimes I just do not see them. If bikers are in the countryside on a heavily traveled road, like Georgetown Pike, they’re taking their lives in their hands. People don’t want to travel the Pike at 15mph and going around them can be treacherous and unreasonable with high traffic levels. Again, I want to support bikers, but I find that their presence on roadways is anxiety-provoking and oftentimes dangerous.

This. Is. Why. They. Want. Protected. Lanes.

For the dozen bikers each morning?

Why not create a path via side streets closed to commuters?

Having seen this play out in a few instances, the honest answer to your question is that, whenever bike lanes along the side streets more often than not requires the removal of residential parking spots. For most neighborhoods in DC, this is a third rail. The political opposition becomes almost impossible for DDOT to overcome. Installing bike lanes along mixed zones like Connecticut Ave is actually a lot easier politically for DDOT. Despite the protestations of the MD commuter class, they don't vote in DC elections.

You are acting as if dc residents don’t drive to work. They do.

A minority of DC commuters drive to work. Check the census stats on this.

Not any more. Post-COVID, 49% of commuters drive alone, an increase from 39% in 2019. A further 2% carpool. So now it’s a majority.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of your story. Cool story anyway bro.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to support bikers and alternative methods of transportation, but the infrastructure is inadequate to do this safely and bikers want it both ways - obey the traffic laws when it’s in their interest and not when it’s not. Bikers traveling quickly alongside cars, darting out between cars, and not obeying road signs is anxiety provoking. Also, sometimes I just do not see them. If bikers are in the countryside on a heavily traveled road, like Georgetown Pike, they’re taking their lives in their hands. People don’t want to travel the Pike at 15mph and going around them can be treacherous and unreasonable with high traffic levels. Again, I want to support bikers, but I find that their presence on roadways is anxiety-provoking and oftentimes dangerous.

This. Is. Why. They. Want. Protected. Lanes.

For the dozen bikers each morning?

Why not create a path via side streets closed to commuters?

Having seen this play out in a few instances, the honest answer to your question is that, whenever bike lanes along the side streets more often than not requires the removal of residential parking spots. For most neighborhoods in DC, this is a third rail. The political opposition becomes almost impossible for DDOT to overcome. Installing bike lanes along mixed zones like Connecticut Ave is actually a lot easier politically for DDOT. Despite the protestations of the MD commuter class, they don't vote in DC elections.

You are acting as if dc residents don’t drive to work. They do.

A minority of DC commuters drive to work. Check the census stats on this.

Not any more. Post-COVID, 49% of commuters drive alone, an increase from 39% in 2019. A further 2% carpool. So now it’s a majority.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of your story. Cool story anyway bro.

Interestingly, you don’t accompany these claims with any reference whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to support bikers and alternative methods of transportation, but the infrastructure is inadequate to do this safely and bikers want it both ways - obey the traffic laws when it’s in their interest and not when it’s not. Bikers traveling quickly alongside cars, darting out between cars, and not obeying road signs is anxiety provoking. Also, sometimes I just do not see them. If bikers are in the countryside on a heavily traveled road, like Georgetown Pike, they’re taking their lives in their hands. People don’t want to travel the Pike at 15mph and going around them can be treacherous and unreasonable with high traffic levels. Again, I want to support bikers, but I find that their presence on roadways is anxiety-provoking and oftentimes dangerous.

This. Is. Why. They. Want. Protected. Lanes.

For the dozen bikers each morning?

Why not create a path via side streets closed to commuters?

Having seen this play out in a few instances, the honest answer to your question is that, whenever bike lanes along the side streets more often than not requires the removal of residential parking spots. For most neighborhoods in DC, this is a third rail. The political opposition becomes almost impossible for DDOT to overcome. Installing bike lanes along mixed zones like Connecticut Ave is actually a lot easier politically for DDOT. Despite the protestations of the MD commuter class, they don't vote in DC elections.

You are acting as if dc residents don’t drive to work. They do.

A minority of DC commuters drive to work. Check the census stats on this.

The majority of DC commuters who live along upper Connecticut and will be most impacted by removing vehicle lanes DRIVE to work. Check out DCDOT data on this.

The childless 27 year olds living in the milennial dormitories in Shaw and NOMA do love their scooters and e-bikes and don't drive, it's true. Their habits shouldn't dictate the entire city's transportation policy. If they are too afraid to rent a scooter to visit Comet Pizza, I'd like to suggest this thingy called "the subway."

People who don’t live in DC shouldn’t be dictating “the entire city’s transportation policy” either. But of course it’d be ridiculous to suggest anyway that dedicating a tenth of roadway space on a single road to enable the 10 percent of commuters who use bikes or other mobility devices to get around constitutes “the entire city’s transportation policy”. When DC is dedicating as much roadway space to bikes as it does to cars, feel free to come back and make that claim. In the meantime, please stop making yourself look ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to support bikers and alternative methods of transportation, but the infrastructure is inadequate to do this safely and bikers want it both ways - obey the traffic laws when it’s in their interest and not when it’s not. Bikers traveling quickly alongside cars, darting out between cars, and not obeying road signs is anxiety provoking. Also, sometimes I just do not see them. If bikers are in the countryside on a heavily traveled road, like Georgetown Pike, they’re taking their lives in their hands. People don’t want to travel the Pike at 15mph and going around them can be treacherous and unreasonable with high traffic levels. Again, I want to support bikers, but I find that their presence on roadways is anxiety-provoking and oftentimes dangerous.

This. Is. Why. They. Want. Protected. Lanes.

For the dozen bikers each morning?

Why not create a path via side streets closed to commuters?

Having seen this play out in a few instances, the honest answer to your question is that, whenever bike lanes along the side streets more often than not requires the removal of residential parking spots. For most neighborhoods in DC, this is a third rail. The political opposition becomes almost impossible for DDOT to overcome. Installing bike lanes along mixed zones like Connecticut Ave is actually a lot easier politically for DDOT. Despite the protestations of the MD commuter class, they don't vote in DC elections.

You are acting as if dc residents don’t drive to work. They do.

A minority of DC commuters drive to work. Check the census stats on this.

Not any more. Post-COVID, 49% of commuters drive alone, an increase from 39% in 2019. A further 2% carpool. So now it’s a majority.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of your story. Cool story anyway bro.

Interestingly, you don’t accompany these claims with any reference whatsoever.

DP

I commute down CT to the WH 3x a week, and I can report that CT is filled with cars with dc tags with solo drivers. It’s rare that I see a car with a passenger.

I’m curious how the business owners feel about this. It’s exclusively dc residents who park on CT to run errands. They often double park by Starbucks and other take out places. Plus, delivery trucks.

This stupid bike lane is a waste of money for a select few. The end result will be chaos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Time.

People won’t bike to work because it takes additional time to bike and shower at work. Like a lot of time.

ICYMI: we have staff who are kvetching about the lost time of commuting by car since we drafted them back into the office after covid. They want to work from home because the commute is a time suck.

Do you really think those people will magically opt to bike to work? As if.

It takes less time for me to bike to work than to drive or take public transit.

Do you live in Moco or NoVA? Close in?

I’ve lived in MoCo and commuted to DC (White House area) for nearly 25 years. Post-covid, very few people take metro. Nobody takes the bus. Everyone drives for convenience, health and now safety reasons. The handful of people who biked to work retired; 3 lived in DC, and the other lived in close-in MoCo. A couple young colleagues ride bikes or scooters to work occasionally depending on weather. They live downtown.

This “solution” on CT Ave is ridiculous. It will only benefit a select few who are already living near a bus line.

I wonder if the “solution” was proposed by privileged people who don’t want to use the bus.

I also work in the WH area and live a mile or two from the MD /DC line. During the morning commute, biking is much faster for me than driving or taking the bus. It's not even close. The same would hold true for anyone who lives reasonably close to the Capitol Crescent Trail or the various trails in NoVA.

It takes 20 minutes in the morning to drive from the corner of Bradley and Wisconsin to the WH area in the mornings. It takes at least twice as long by bicycle. Ask me how I know.

I just checked this on google maps. Driving is a whole 13 minutes faster than biking. Given that biking can take the place of a workout, it’s an even trade most days.

[Anonymous]

Bike people are smug and annoying. I’m in favor of bike lines and anything else that can be done to lessen the effect of driving on the environment, but it would be nice - damned nice - if cyclists would actually respect and obey the rules of the road. Many don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to support bikers and alternative methods of transportation, but the infrastructure is inadequate to do this safely and bikers want it both ways - obey the traffic laws when it’s in their interest and not when it’s not. Bikers traveling quickly alongside cars, darting out between cars, and not obeying road signs is anxiety provoking. Also, sometimes I just do not see them. If bikers are in the countryside on a heavily traveled road, like Georgetown Pike, they’re taking their lives in their hands. People don’t want to travel the Pike at 15mph and going around them can be treacherous and unreasonable with high traffic levels. Again, I want to support bikers, but I find that their presence on roadways is anxiety-provoking and oftentimes dangerous.

This. Is. Why. They. Want. Protected. Lanes.

For the dozen bikers each morning?

Why not create a path via side streets closed to commuters?

Having seen this play out in a few instances, the honest answer to your question is that, whenever bike lanes along the side streets more often than not requires the removal of residential parking spots. For most neighborhoods in DC, this is a third rail. The political opposition becomes almost impossible for DDOT to overcome. Installing bike lanes along mixed zones like Connecticut Ave is actually a lot easier politically for DDOT. Despite the protestations of the MD commuter class, they don't vote in DC elections.

You are acting as if dc residents don’t drive to work. They do.

A minority of DC commuters drive to work. Check the census stats on this.

Not any more. Post-COVID, 49% of commuters drive alone, an increase from 39% in 2019. A further 2% carpool. So now it’s a majority.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of your story. Cool story anyway bro.

Interestingly, you don’t accompany these claims with any reference whatsoever.

DP

I commute down CT to the WH 3x a week, and I can report that CT is filled with cars with dc tags with solo drivers. It’s rare that I see a car with a passenger.

I’m curious how the business owners feel about this. It’s exclusively dc residents who park on CT to run errands. They often double park by Starbucks and other take out places. Plus, delivery trucks.

This stupid bike lane is a waste of money for a select few. The end result will be chaos.

Thankfully we have past experiences and scientific studies that enable us to predict what will happen and so don’t have to rely on your silly scaremongering.