Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about the pro-bike / anti-bus people? Seems to be the main category of cycling advocates in the area.

Is it okay if someone is anti-bike / pro-bus? That seems to be the main category of anti-bike people in the area.

I don't know that I've ever met a pro-bike anti-bus person. Maybe there are a few that exist, but I don't think that's much of a thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People will always drive. Encouraging bike fanatics to share road space during peak traffic times - and I am talking specifically about bike fanatics, this is a nuisance and dangerous IMO. If you live in DC, take metro and/or walk to work. Bike miles on a bike path.

My vision is also to stop unchecked growth. Stop building and building more density that cannot be supported by current transportation and school systems and other government services.

So expand outward into suburbs/exurbs rather than increase density and then we all drive?

What are your thoughts on how that impacts the environment?

Adding high density housing doesn't magically transform anyplace into a car-less paradise. It adds more cars and smog

Ok I'm still trying to understand what happens to the environment in your vision. Or are you not concerned about climate change?

My vision is not make believe where we can add more people without adding impact.

My vision is also not make believe about, for example, receding ice. It's been receding for thousands of years and we cannot stop it. We should instead plan for it to happen. What will we do?

Finally, I am an environmental activist. I don't just virtue signal here or on FB. I'm boots on the ground, ok? I have major wins. So you can sit down with your snark

I'm really curious now what you mean by environmental activist. It's hard for me to understand the nihilism along with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Buses make sense but I would personally like to see smaller ones - preferably automated - that do designated routes through the city.

Bikes don’t make sense in the city bc the city was not set up to accommodate. Shoe horning them in now doesn’t work bc it makes no sense and is a waste of resources. We keep trying to pretend the DMV can be changed into a non car based society. It can’t. To do that you would have to tear it all down and start over and that can’t happen.

When do you think the city was founded? When do you think bicycles became popular for transportation? Same question for cars.

Really interesting to see how your thoughts line up with facts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about the pro-bike / anti-bus people? Seems to be the main category of cycling advocates in the area.

Is it okay if someone is anti-bike / pro-bus? That seems to be the main category of anti-bike people in the area.

I don't know that I've ever met a pro-bike anti-bus person. Maybe there are a few that exist, but I don't think that's much of a thing.

Every single red shared bus and bike lane is pro-bike and anti-bus. The idea that a bus load of people should be inconvenienced in a priority lane for one person on a bike going 5 miles per hour is very much a pro-bike and anti-bus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about the pro-bike / anti-bus people? Seems to be the main category of cycling advocates in the area.

Is it okay if someone is anti-bike / pro-bus? That seems to be the main category of anti-bike people in the area.

I don't know that I've ever met a pro-bike anti-bus person. Maybe there are a few that exist, but I don't think that's much of a thing.

Every single red shared bus and bike lane is pro-bike and anti-bus. The idea that a bus load of people should be inconvenienced in a priority lane for one person on a bike going 5 miles per hour is very much a pro-bike and anti-bus.

The actual slow down in those red painted lanes is from parked cars. Especially MPD and other "law enforcement".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you really interested in the status quo (or how it was 20 years ago)? Everyone drives everywhere? I'm having a hard time understanding how that works out from a space / traffic / environment standpoint. What's your vision?

Their vision is busses are for other people. Op do you take the bus or bike?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People will always drive. Encouraging bike fanatics to share road space during peak traffic times - and I am talking specifically about bike fanatics, this is a nuisance and dangerous IMO. If you live in DC, take metro and/or walk to work. Bike miles on a bike path.

My vision is also to stop unchecked growth. Stop building and building more density that cannot be supported by current transportation and school systems and other government services.

So expand outward into suburbs/exurbs rather than increase density and then we all drive?

What are your thoughts on how that impacts the environment?

Adding high density housing doesn't magically transform anyplace into a car-less paradise. It adds more cars and smog

Ok I'm still trying to understand what happens to the environment in your vision. Or are you not concerned about climate change?

My vision is not make believe where we can add more people without adding impact.

My vision is also not make believe about, for example, receding ice. It's been receding for thousands of years and we cannot stop it. We should instead plan for it to happen. What will we do?

Finally, I am an environmental activist. I don't just virtue signal here or on FB. I'm boots on the ground, ok? I have major wins. So you can sit down with your snark

I'm really curious now what you mean by environmental activist. It's hard for me to understand the nihilism along with that.

Imagine projects your hear communities fighting on TV and newspaper. Something like that. And I'm not a minion either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are you really interested in the status quo (or how it was 20 years ago)? Everyone drives everywhere? I'm having a hard time understanding how that works out from a space / traffic / environment standpoint. What's your vision?

Their vision is busses are for other people. Op do you take the bus or bike?

OP here. Bike mostly, bus second, car rarely. But I'm more of an advocate for bus infrastructure than bike.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about the pro-bike / anti-bus people? Seems to be the main category of cycling advocates in the area.

Is it okay if someone is anti-bike / pro-bus? That seems to be the main category of anti-bike people in the area.

I don't know that I've ever met a pro-bike anti-bus person. Maybe there are a few that exist, but I don't think that's much of a thing.

Every single red shared bus and bike lane is pro-bike and anti-bus. The idea that a bus load of people should be inconvenienced in a priority lane for one person on a bike going 5 miles per hour is very much a pro-bike and anti-bus.

Nice try. Most cyclists do 15-20 mph and are much faster than buses that stop every few hundred yards. I ride on shared lanes daily and have never once had a bus behind me. The lanes are regularly blocked by parked or waiting vehicles, however.

[Anonymous]

There is a small group of people - and I think many of us know exactly who they are - who seem to think that the best way to preserve that which they hold dearest (and which they irrationally believe to be threatened by bike lanes) is to try to pit cyclists against bus riders, cyclists against disabled people, cyclists against black people and so on and so on. It has utterly no basis in reality whatsoever and is utterly pathetic. Sites like this debase themselves by permitting this nonsense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about the pro-bike / anti-bus people? Seems to be the main category of cycling advocates in the area.

Is it okay if someone is anti-bike / pro-bus? That seems to be the main category of anti-bike people in the area.

I don't know that I've ever met a pro-bike anti-bus person. Maybe there are a few that exist, but I don't think that's much of a thing.

Every single red shared bus and bike lane is pro-bike and anti-bus. The idea that a bus load of people should be inconvenienced in a priority lane for one person on a bike going 5 miles per hour is very much a pro-bike and anti-bus.

Nice try. Most cyclists do 15-20 mph and are much faster than buses that stop every few hundred yards. I ride on shared lanes daily and have never once had a bus behind me. The lanes are regularly blocked by parked or waiting vehicles, however.

There is no way a cyclist should be able to keep up with a bus in a priority lane. That is the whole point of bus priority lanes. Otherwise they should just be abolished.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a small group of people - and I think many of us know exactly who they are - who seem to think that the best way to preserve that which they hold dearest (and which they irrationally believe to be threatened by bike lanes) is to try to pit cyclists against bus riders, cyclists against disabled people, cyclists against black people and so on and so on. It has utterly no basis in reality whatsoever and is utterly pathetic. Sites like this debase themselves by permitting this nonsense.

There are two types of people. One type are people who think that the world revolves around them. The other type are people who try to figure out how we can all get along as best as possible together.

The bicylist holding up the bus “because they can” is the same person as the person who jogs in the middle of the street and the same person who doesn’t yield their car to pedestrians in cross walks. Same behavior, same person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about the pro-bike / anti-bus people? Seems to be the main category of cycling advocates in the area.

Is it okay if someone is anti-bike / pro-bus? That seems to be the main category of anti-bike people in the area.

I don't know that I've ever met a pro-bike anti-bus person. Maybe there are a few that exist, but I don't think that's much of a thing.

Every single red shared bus and bike lane is pro-bike and anti-bus. The idea that a bus load of people should be inconvenienced in a priority lane for one person on a bike going 5 miles per hour is very much a pro-bike and anti-bus.

Nice try. Most cyclists do 15-20 mph and are much faster than buses that stop every few hundred yards. I ride on shared lanes daily and have never once had a bus behind me. The lanes are regularly blocked by parked or waiting vehicles, however.

There is no way a cyclist should be able to keep up with a bus in a priority lane. That is the whole point of bus priority lanes. Otherwise they should just be abolished.

It's my practical experience with it here in DC, not your theoretical "should".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a small group of people - and I think many of us know exactly who they are - who seem to think that the best way to preserve that which they hold dearest (and which they irrationally believe to be threatened by bike lanes) is to try to pit cyclists against bus riders, cyclists against disabled people, cyclists against black people and so on and so on. It has utterly no basis in reality whatsoever and is utterly pathetic. Sites like this debase themselves by permitting this nonsense.

There are two types of people. One type are people who think that the world revolves around them. The other type are people who try to figure out how we can all get along as best as possible together.

The bicylist holding up the bus “because they can” is the same person as the person who jogs in the middle of the street and the same person who doesn’t yield their car to pedestrians in cross walks. Same behavior, same person.

The few times I have had a bus behind me in the red lanes I've made way for them pretty easily so they can go ahead.

But normally they don't even bother with the red lanes because there are cars and trucks parked or standing in them every few blocks.

[Anonymous]

I would love to see more energy going into better bus service. The focus on bike lanes is a huge distraction with limited potential to reduce car use, and the obnoxiousness of many proponents is weakening support for other pro-environmental policies.