Question for the anti-bike / anti-bus people

[Anonymous]

Time.

People won’t bike to work because it takes additional time to bike and shower at work. Like a lot of time.

ICYMI: we have staff who are kvetching about the lost time of commuting by car since we drafted them back into the office after covid. They want to work from home because the commute is a time suck.

Do you really think those people will magically opt to bike to work? As if.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Buses travel an average of 12 mph, so pretty reasonable to have buses and bikes together.

Assuming that this is even true, if you delay a bus behind a bicycle then the average travel time would be even lower. This would make bus travel unusuable as a form of transit because it would then be faster to walk.

You mean what car traffic does to buses? Bikes don't do that.

Keep up. The PP was discussing the shared bus/bike lanes, which are obviously anti-bus. In any case, cars also go faster than bicycles. Hope this helps.

Oh I'm keeping up. It's just your "logical" seems like a lot of theoretical conjecture that doesn't actually take place in real life. The actual situation in DC is that buses are held up by car traffic, not bikes.

“theoretical conjecture”? Every piece of available data says that people do not prefer to bicycle. The conjecture is that there is pent up demand that will be induced if there were more bike lanes. There is zero evidence to support this in DC. Not a single bike lane in DC has seen an increase in utilization over time. The proportion of people who occasionally bicycle to work has also not increased over time. Lastly, there is nothing “theoretical” about the problem of sharing bus and bike lanes. The problems are obvious and very real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Time.

People won’t bike to work because it takes additional time to bike and shower at work. Like a lot of time.

ICYMI: we have staff who are kvetching about the lost time of commuting by car since we drafted them back into the office after covid. They want to work from home because the commute is a time suck.

Do you really think those people will magically opt to bike to work? As if.

It takes less time for me to bike to work than to drive or take public transit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Time.

People won’t bike to work because it takes additional time to bike and shower at work. Like a lot of time.

ICYMI: we have staff who are kvetching about the lost time of commuting by car since we drafted them back into the office after covid. They want to work from home because the commute is a time suck.

Do you really think those people will magically opt to bike to work? As if.

It takes less time for me to bike to work than to drive or take public transit.

Do you live in Moco or NoVA? Close in?

I’ve lived in MoCo and commuted to DC (White House area) for nearly 25 years. Post-covid, very few people take metro. Nobody takes the bus. Everyone drives for convenience, health and now safety reasons. The handful of people who biked to work retired; 3 lived in DC, and the other lived in close-in MoCo. A couple young colleagues ride bikes or scooters to work occasionally depending on weather. They live downtown.

This “solution” on CT Ave is ridiculous. It will only benefit a select few who are already living near a bus line.

I wonder if the “solution” was proposed by privileged people who don’t want to use the bus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Buses travel an average of 12 mph, so pretty reasonable to have buses and bikes together.

Assuming that this is even true, if you delay a bus behind a bicycle then the average travel time would be even lower. This would make bus travel unusuable as a form of transit because it would then be faster to walk.

You mean what car traffic does to buses? Bikes don't do that.

Keep up. The PP was discussing the shared bus/bike lanes, which are obviously anti-bus. In any case, cars also go faster than bicycles. Hope this helps.

Oh I'm keeping up. It's just your "logical" seems like a lot of theoretical conjecture that doesn't actually take place in real life. The actual situation in DC is that buses are held up by car traffic, not bikes.

“theoretical conjecture”? Every piece of available data says that people do not prefer to bicycle. The conjecture is that there is pent up demand that will be induced if there were more bike lanes. There is zero evidence to support this in DC. Not a single bike lane in DC has seen an increase in utilization over time. The proportion of people who occasionally bicycle to work has also not increased over time. Lastly, there is nothing “theoretical” about the problem of sharing bus and bike lanes. The problems are obvious and very real.

So no one bikes but they somehow hold up buses. And DDOT doesn't see that.

And the buses we all see stuck in car traffic are... imaginary?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Time.

People won’t bike to work because it takes additional time to bike and shower at work. Like a lot of time.

ICYMI: we have staff who are kvetching about the lost time of commuting by car since we drafted them back into the office after covid. They want to work from home because the commute is a time suck.

Do you really think those people will magically opt to bike to work? As if.

And then I have to drive to the gym to get some exercise time in. Who has time to bike??

🤡

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Time.

People won’t bike to work because it takes additional time to bike and shower at work. Like a lot of time.

ICYMI: we have staff who are kvetching about the lost time of commuting by car since we drafted them back into the office after covid. They want to work from home because the commute is a time suck.

Do you really think those people will magically opt to bike to work? As if.

It takes less time for me to bike to work than to drive or take public transit.

Do you live in Moco or NoVA? Close in?

I’ve lived in MoCo and commuted to DC (White House area) for nearly 25 years. Post-covid, very few people take metro. Nobody takes the bus. Everyone drives for convenience, health and now safety reasons. The handful of people who biked to work retired; 3 lived in DC, and the other lived in close-in MoCo. A couple young colleagues ride bikes or scooters to work occasionally depending on weather. They live downtown.

This “solution” on CT Ave is ridiculous. It will only benefit a select few who are already living near a bus line.

I wonder if the “solution” was proposed by privileged people who don’t want to use the bus.

I also work in the WH area and live a mile or two from the MD /DC line. During the morning commute, biking is much faster for me than driving or taking the bus. It's not even close. The same would hold true for anyone who lives reasonably close to the Capitol Crescent Trail or the various trails in NoVA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Time.

People won’t bike to work because it takes additional time to bike and shower at work. Like a lot of time.

ICYMI: we have staff who are kvetching about the lost time of commuting by car since we drafted them back into the office after covid. They want to work from home because the commute is a time suck.

Do you really think those people will magically opt to bike to work? As if.

And then I have to drive to the gym to get some exercise time in. Who has time to bike??

🤡

Plenty of us have gyms in our basement and live more than a mile from the dc line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Time.

People won’t bike to work because it takes additional time to bike and shower at work. Like a lot of time.

ICYMI: we have staff who are kvetching about the lost time of commuting by car since we drafted them back into the office after covid. They want to work from home because the commute is a time suck.

Do you really think those people will magically opt to bike to work? As if.

It takes less time for me to bike to work than to drive or take public transit.

Do you live in Moco or NoVA? Close in?

I’ve lived in MoCo and commuted to DC (White House area) for nearly 25 years. Post-covid, very few people take metro. Nobody takes the bus. Everyone drives for convenience, health and now safety reasons. The handful of people who biked to work retired; 3 lived in DC, and the other lived in close-in MoCo. A couple young colleagues ride bikes or scooters to work occasionally depending on weather. They live downtown.

This “solution” on CT Ave is ridiculous. It will only benefit a select few who are already living near a bus line.

I wonder if the “solution” was proposed by privileged people who don’t want to use the bus.

I also work in the WH area and live a mile or two from the MD /DC line. During the morning commute, biking is much faster for me than driving or taking the bus. It's not even close. The same would hold true for anyone who lives reasonably close to the Capitol Crescent Trail or the various trails in NoVA.

You live close enough to bike and you opt for the fastest commute.

Makes sense.

It also makes sense for those of us who live more than a mile from the dc border to take the faster option…a car.

Bikes will slow down the commute for everyone on the bus and in cars. And more bikers will result in more bike accidents…that’s just math.

I’ve been hit by two bikers on CT Ave. Both times I had been stopped at a light when they hit me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Time.

People won’t bike to work because it takes additional time to bike and shower at work. Like a lot of time.

ICYMI: we have staff who are kvetching about the lost time of commuting by car since we drafted them back into the office after covid. They want to work from home because the commute is a time suck.

Do you really think those people will magically opt to bike to work? As if.

It takes less time for me to bike to work than to drive or take public transit.

Do you live in Moco or NoVA? Close in?

I’ve lived in MoCo and commuted to DC (White House area) for nearly 25 years. Post-covid, very few people take metro. Nobody takes the bus. Everyone drives for convenience, health and now safety reasons. The handful of people who biked to work retired; 3 lived in DC, and the other lived in close-in MoCo. A couple young colleagues ride bikes or scooters to work occasionally depending on weather. They live downtown.

This “solution” on CT Ave is ridiculous. It will only benefit a select few who are already living near a bus line.

I wonder if the “solution” was proposed by privileged people who don’t want to use the bus.

I also work in the WH area and live a mile or two from the MD /DC line. During the morning commute, biking is much faster for me than driving or taking the bus. It's not even close. The same would hold true for anyone who lives reasonably close to the Capitol Crescent Trail or the various trails in NoVA.

You live close enough to bike and you opt for the fastest commute.

Makes sense.

It also makes sense for those of us who live more than a mile from the dc border to take the faster option…a car.

Bikes will slow down the commute for everyone on the bus and in cars. And more bikers will result in more bike accidents…that’s just math.

I’ve been hit by two bikers on CT Ave. Both times I had been stopped at a light when they hit me.

And? Cars slow down the commute for pedestrians and buses. Do you care? If you choose to live further out you get the benefit of a bigger house or better school district or other amenities. It isn’t DC’s job to cater to you until the end of time

[Anonymous]

I want to support bikers and alternative methods of transportation, but the infrastructure is inadequate to do this safely and bikers want it both ways - obey the traffic laws when it’s in their interest and not when it’s not. Bikers traveling quickly alongside cars, darting out between cars, and not obeying road signs is anxiety provoking. Also, sometimes I just do not see them. If bikers are in the countryside on a heavily traveled road, like Georgetown Pike, they’re taking their lives in their hands. People don’t want to travel the Pike at 15mph and going around them can be treacherous and unreasonable with high traffic levels. Again, I want to support bikers, but I find that their presence on roadways is anxiety-provoking and oftentimes dangerous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want to support bikers and alternative methods of transportation, but the infrastructure is inadequate to do this safely and bikers want it both ways - obey the traffic laws when it’s in their interest and not when it’s not. Bikers traveling quickly alongside cars, darting out between cars, and not obeying road signs is anxiety provoking. Also, sometimes I just do not see them. If bikers are in the countryside on a heavily traveled road, like Georgetown Pike, they’re taking their lives in their hands. People don’t want to travel the Pike at 15mph and going around them can be treacherous and unreasonable with high traffic levels. Again, I want to support bikers, but I find that their presence on roadways is anxiety-provoking and oftentimes dangerous.

This. Is. Why. They. Want. Protected. Lanes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to support bikers and alternative methods of transportation, but the infrastructure is inadequate to do this safely and bikers want it both ways - obey the traffic laws when it’s in their interest and not when it’s not. Bikers traveling quickly alongside cars, darting out between cars, and not obeying road signs is anxiety provoking. Also, sometimes I just do not see them. If bikers are in the countryside on a heavily traveled road, like Georgetown Pike, they’re taking their lives in their hands. People don’t want to travel the Pike at 15mph and going around them can be treacherous and unreasonable with high traffic levels. Again, I want to support bikers, but I find that their presence on roadways is anxiety-provoking and oftentimes dangerous.

This. Is. Why. They. Want. Protected. Lanes.

For the dozen bikers each morning?

Why not create a path via side streets closed to commuters?

[Anonymous]

I used to be a bicycle commuter but after being doored multiple times, having one major accident due to gravel, and getting hit by a car another time, I just don't enjoy the risk. I still ride for exercise, but then I go to trails or less-traveled roads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I used to be a bicycle commuter but after being doored multiple times, having one major accident due to gravel, and getting hit by a car another time, I just don't enjoy the risk. I still ride for exercise, but then I go to trails or less-traveled roads.

Oh, I'll add this was in an area with lots of protected lanes, but they aren't everywhere.