Mass shooting at lgbt nightclub in Co

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Anonymous wrote:It's been bothering me for a couple of days that this thread is in the "political" forum.

Why is a thread about a mass shooting something that is "political"? Is domestic terrorism "political" or is it something else? I wonder and worry about what we are letting come into the light when there is space for political debate around events like this.

This was a hate crime. It's not a set of agriculture policies that reasonable people could debate over and have different views on.

Can it be a hate crime if it is perpetrated by someone within the same group?

Self loathing doesn't exempt people from hating others and murdering them. I don't think hate crimes are defined by the victims being different from the shooter. I thought it was that they were sought out for whatever trait the shooter hates, even if he shares that trait.

Also, I haven't heard anyone except their lawyer say they're nonbinary.

It's too bad that people are going to try to minimize this because the shooter might be nonbinary. If they are it just means that instead of feeling safe and embracing their authentic self, they took in so much of the hate being spewed toward the community and shot 20+ people. It doesn't mean that there is less hate on the right toward the queer community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's been bothering me for a couple of days that this thread is in the "political" forum.

Why is a thread about a mass shooting something that is "political"? Is domestic terrorism "political" or is it something else? I wonder and worry about what we are letting come into the light when there is space for political debate around events like this.

This was a hate crime. It's not a set of agriculture policies that reasonable people could debate over and have different views on.

Can it be a hate crime if it is perpetrated by someone within the same group?

Self loathing doesn't exempt people from hating others and murdering them. I don't think hate crimes are defined by the victims being different from the shooter. I thought it was that they were sought out for whatever trait the shooter hates, even if he shares that trait.

Also, I haven't heard anyone except their lawyer say they're nonbinary.

It's too bad that people are going to try to minimize this because the shooter might be nonbinary. If they are it just means that instead of feeling safe and embracing their authentic self, they took in so much of the hate being spewed toward the community and shot 20+ people. It doesn't mean that there is less hate on the right toward the queer community.

Okay. But let's scroll back to the pulse nightclub massacre. That is generally considered an act of Islamic terrorism since he shouted things in Arabic and liked to view extremist propaganda.

Yet he also frequented the club and had several boyfriends that he met there and had been expressing frustration that his reputation at that club had soured. That would normally be considered a motive, but the Islamic terrorist one is the one everyone went with, and I don't think the average person even knows he was a regular at Pulse.

I suspect people have a range of motives and drivers, but that doesn't help push a narrative so they just leave certain facts on the cutting room floor to create a cleaner narrative about why so many people have gone mad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's been bothering me for a couple of days that this thread is in the "political" forum.

Why is a thread about a mass shooting something that is "political"? Is domestic terrorism "political" or is it something else? I wonder and worry about what we are letting come into the light when there is space for political debate around events like this.

This was a hate crime. It's not a set of agriculture policies that reasonable people could debate over and have different views on.

Can it be a hate crime if it is perpetrated by someone within the same group?

Self loathing doesn't exempt people from hating others and murdering them. I don't think hate crimes are defined by the victims being different from the shooter. I thought it was that they were sought out for whatever trait the shooter hates, even if he shares that trait.

Also, I haven't heard anyone except their lawyer say they're nonbinary.

It's too bad that people are going to try to minimize this because the shooter might be nonbinary. If they are it just means that instead of feeling safe and embracing their authentic self, they took in so much of the hate being spewed toward the community and shot 20+ people. It doesn't mean that there is less hate on the right toward the queer community.

Okay. But let's scroll back to the pulse nightclub massacre. That is generally considered an act of Islamic terrorism since he shouted things in Arabic and liked to view extremist propaganda.

Yet he also frequented the club and had several boyfriends that he met there and had been expressing frustration that his reputation at that club had soured. That would normally be considered a motive, but the Islamic terrorist one is the one everyone went with, and I don't think the average person even knows he was a regular at Pulse.

I suspect people have a range of motives and drivers, but that doesn't help push a narrative so they just leave certain facts on the cutting room floor to create a cleaner narrative about why so many people have gone mad.

I thought that it had been debunked that the Pulse shooter had known gay encounters and had been to Pulse before-instead the finding after investigation was that he chose Pulse randomly. (I'm queer, if that matters. If this shooter does have a non-binary identity his actions could have been motivated by self-hatred or an incel type situation. So, I agree on the issue of motives in this event, but think there is a lot of misinformation around Pulse.

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suspect's lawyers say their client is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns.

https://www.axios.com/2022/11/23/colorado-club-shooting-suspect-non-binary-attorneys-say

This is absolutely something a rightwing degenerate troll from 4Chan would do. I bet he’s giggling to himself in his jail cell.

That’s the pathology we are dealing with in this country among a subset of radicalized men.

Bingo. This is exactly correct.

Link that this is what’s going on?

Go read any of the "Chan" forums, read the manifestos of the many right-wing mass shooters, read the research of the experts who have been following the far right. This sort of trolling is an intricate part of their movement.

So your proof is speculative. Got it

Speculation it may be, but it is much better supported that the claim by your bedfellows that drag shows are harmful to children.

I also thought the hippie free love culture was detrimental to children. They are children. Even the drag shows in Provincetown are 18+

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's been bothering me for a couple of days that this thread is in the "political" forum.

Why is a thread about a mass shooting something that is "political"? Is domestic terrorism "political" or is it something else? I wonder and worry about what we are letting come into the light when there is space for political debate around events like this.

This was a hate crime. It's not a set of agriculture policies that reasonable people could debate over and have different views on.

Can it be a hate crime if it is perpetrated by someone within the same group?

Self loathing doesn't exempt people from hating others and murdering them. I don't think hate crimes are defined by the victims being different from the shooter. I thought it was that they were sought out for whatever trait the shooter hates, even if he shares that trait.

Also, I haven't heard anyone except their lawyer say they're nonbinary.

It's too bad that people are going to try to minimize this because the shooter might be nonbinary. If they are it just means that instead of feeling safe and embracing their authentic self, they took in so much of the hate being spewed toward the community and shot 20+ people. It doesn't mean that there is less hate on the right toward the queer community.

Okay. But let's scroll back to the pulse nightclub massacre. That is generally considered an act of Islamic terrorism since he shouted things in Arabic and liked to view extremist propaganda.

Yet he also frequented the club and had several boyfriends that he met there and had been expressing frustration that his reputation at that club had soured. That would normally be considered a motive, but the Islamic terrorist one is the one everyone went with, and I don't think the average person even knows he was a regular at Pulse.

I suspect people have a range of motives and drivers, but that doesn't help push a narrative so they just leave certain facts on the cutting room floor to create a cleaner narrative about why so many people have gone mad.

I thought that it had been debunked that the Pulse shooter had known gay encounters and had been to Pulse before-instead the finding after investigation was that he chose Pulse randomly. (I'm queer, if that matters. If this shooter does have a non-binary identity his actions could have been motivated by self-hatred or an incel type situation. So, I agree on the issue of motives in this event, but think there is a lot of misinformation around Pulse.

It was disproven. He stated outright it was a revenge shooting for Islam

[Anonymous]

GOP in a nutshell

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GOP in a nutshell

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GOP in a nutshell

jesus christ

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GOP in a nutshell

I mean obviously that dude is a meth-head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's been bothering me for a couple of days that this thread is in the "political" forum.

Why is a thread about a mass shooting something that is "political"? Is domestic terrorism "political" or is it something else? I wonder and worry about what we are letting come into the light when there is space for political debate around events like this.

This was a hate crime. It's not a set of agriculture policies that reasonable people could debate over and have different views on.

Can it be a hate crime if it is perpetrated by someone within the same group?

Self loathing doesn't exempt people from hating others and murdering them. I don't think hate crimes are defined by the victims being different from the shooter. I thought it was that they were sought out for whatever trait the shooter hates, even if he shares that trait.

Also, I haven't heard anyone except their lawyer say they're nonbinary.

It's too bad that people are going to try to minimize this because the shooter might be nonbinary. If they are it just means that instead of feeling safe and embracing their authentic self, they took in so much of the hate being spewed toward the community and shot 20+ people. It doesn't mean that there is less hate on the right toward the queer community.

Okay. But let's scroll back to the pulse nightclub massacre. That is generally considered an act of Islamic terrorism since he shouted things in Arabic and liked to view extremist propaganda.

Yet he also frequented the club and had several boyfriends that he met there and had been expressing frustration that his reputation at that club had soured. That would normally be considered a motive, but the Islamic terrorist one is the one everyone went with, and I don't think the average person even knows he was a regular at Pulse.

I suspect people have a range of motives and drivers, but that doesn't help push a narrative so they just leave certain facts on the cutting room floor to create a cleaner narrative about why so many people have gone mad.

I thought that it had been debunked that the Pulse shooter had known gay encounters and had been to Pulse before-instead the finding after investigation was that he chose Pulse randomly. (I'm queer, if that matters. If this shooter does have a non-binary identity his actions could have been motivated by self-hatred or an incel type situation. So, I agree on the issue of motives in this event, but think there is a lot of misinformation around Pulse.

It was disproven. He stated outright it was a revenge shooting for Islam

He may have not even realized that he had chosen a gay club to attack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GOP in a nutshell

+1

Hmmmm... I can't imagine how the shooter would have picked up any self-loathing ideas (if he is in fact non-binary). It's hard to understand how he would have come to hate gay people!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GOP in a nutshell

I mean obviously that dude is a meth-head.

Master Race, amiright?

😒😒

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GOP in a nutshell

Yep

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is the perp’s previous case sealed? He was 21!

Because his father is a well connected Republican

Who is the father?

The grandfather is a California state assembly rep for Santee, outside San Diego. That place is a hot bed of MAGA and white supremacists. That community was established by Dust Bowl Oakie refugees.

Yet the shooter identifies as non-binary and goes by the pronouns them/they. Sounds very MAGA - not. Why does everyone jump to conclusions? It’s divisive and irresponsible to shoot one’s mouth off before the facts are in. Thank God that Pelosi is retiring.

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