Little Falls Parkway speed bumps

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Anonymous wrote:Kenwood validating everyone's stereotypes about wealthy entitled people in Bethesda...

Your mad that they want a safe neighborhood?

Every neighborhood in the 20816/20815 area was polled via their associations and 98% of them did not want this nor plan to ever use this.

I'm glad someone from Rockville who never uses these roads daily thought this was a worthwhile use of funds!

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Anonymous wrote:Kenwood validating everyone's stereotypes about wealthy entitled people in Bethesda...

Your mad that they want a safe neighborhood?

Every neighborhood in the 20816/20815 area was polled via their associations and 98% of them did not want this nor plan to ever use this.

I'm glad someone from Rockville who never uses these roads daily thought this was a worthwhile use of funds!

I'm happy they want a safe neighborhood. This isn't about safety, though. This is about people who are angry about traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules. People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

I don't think you understand Vision Zero. Vision Zero says that roads should be safe for everyone EVEN WHEN people DON'T follow the rules.

I do understand that. I’m saying it doesn’t work. Sorry to be vague before.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules. People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

I don't think you understand Vision Zero. Vision Zero says that roads should be safe for everyone EVEN WHEN people DON'T follow the rules.

I do understand that. I’m saying it doesn’t work. Sorry to be vague before.

OK, but actually it does work.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules. People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

I don't think you understand Vision Zero. Vision Zero says that roads should be safe for everyone EVEN WHEN people DON'T follow the rules.

I do understand that. I’m saying it doesn’t work. Sorry to be vague before.

OK, but actually it does work.

Show me the best intersection you can find and I’ll find ways people can make it fatal by breaking the rules.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules. People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

I don't think you understand Vision Zero. Vision Zero says that roads should be safe for everyone EVEN WHEN people DON'T follow the rules.

I do understand that. I’m saying it doesn’t work. Sorry to be vague before.

OK, but actually it does work.

Show me the best intersection you can find and I’ll find ways people can make it fatal by breaking the rules.

If you're trying to kill somebody with your car, that's murder. I agree that Vision Zero doesn't say that roads should be safe for everyone even when someone is intentionally and deliberately trying to murder someone else.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules. People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

I don't think you understand Vision Zero. Vision Zero says that roads should be safe for everyone EVEN WHEN people DON'T follow the rules.

I do understand that. I’m saying it doesn’t work. Sorry to be vague before.

OK, but actually it does work.

Show me the best intersection you can find and I’ll find ways people can make it fatal by breaking the rules.

If you're trying to kill somebody with your car, that's murder. I agree that Vision Zero doesn't say that roads should be safe for everyone even when someone is intentionally and deliberately trying to murder someone else.

No, just negligence or recklessness. Not a specific intent to kill. Show me the best intersection you can find and I’ll find ways people can make it fatal through mere negligence or recklessness.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules. People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

I don't think you understand Vision Zero. Vision Zero says that roads should be safe for everyone EVEN WHEN people DON'T follow the rules.

I do understand that. I’m saying it doesn’t work. Sorry to be vague before.

OK, but actually it does work.

Show me the best intersection you can find and I’ll find ways people can make it fatal by breaking the rules.

How about the intersection of North Tioga Street and East State Street in Ithaca, New York?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules. People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

I don't think you understand Vision Zero. Vision Zero says that roads should be safe for everyone EVEN WHEN people DON'T follow the rules.

I do understand that. I’m saying it doesn’t work. Sorry to be vague before.

OK, but actually it does work.

Show me the best intersection you can find and I’ll find ways people can make it fatal by breaking the rules.

How about the intersection of North Tioga Street and East State Street in Ithaca, New York?

^^^but honestly your point is indefensible regardless. Maybe we can't get the number of road deaths to 0. Maybe we can only get them to 1. That's worth doing.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules. People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

I don't think you understand Vision Zero. Vision Zero says that roads should be safe for everyone EVEN WHEN people DON'T follow the rules.

I do understand that. I’m saying it doesn’t work. Sorry to be vague before.

OK, but actually it does work.

Show me the best intersection you can find and I’ll find ways people can make it fatal by breaking the rules.

How about the intersection of North Tioga Street and East State Street in Ithaca, New York?

^^^but honestly your point is indefensible regardless. Maybe we can't get the number of road deaths to 0. Maybe we can only get them to 1. That's worth doing.

No it’s literally not. If risks were above unacceptable levels yes. If people following the rules are routinely dying yes. However that’s not what’s happening. Very few people are dying and the ones that do are doing really reckless things.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules. People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

I don't think you understand Vision Zero. Vision Zero says that roads should be safe for everyone EVEN WHEN people DON'T follow the rules.

I do understand that. I’m saying it doesn’t work. Sorry to be vague before.

OK, but actually it does work.

Show me the best intersection you can find and I’ll find ways people can make it fatal by breaking the rules.

How about the intersection of North Tioga Street and East State Street in Ithaca, New York?

^^^but honestly your point is indefensible regardless. Maybe we can't get the number of road deaths to 0. Maybe we can only get them to 1. That's worth doing.

No it’s literally not. If risks were above unacceptable levels yes. If people following the rules are routinely dying yes. However that’s not what’s happening. Very few people are dying and the ones that do are doing really reckless things.

Well. I guess you find the current number of dead bodies acceptable. I don't. And honestly, I don't care whether or not they were "following the rules". Evidently you want the righteous to prosper and the wicked to be punished. What I want is roads that are safe for everyone. A safe system. We don't have that.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules. People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

I don't think you understand Vision Zero. Vision Zero says that roads should be safe for everyone EVEN WHEN people DON'T follow the rules.

I do understand that. I’m saying it doesn’t work. Sorry to be vague before.

OK, but actually it does work.

Show me the best intersection you can find and I’ll find ways people can make it fatal by breaking the rules.

How about the intersection of North Tioga Street and East State Street in Ithaca, New York?

^^^but honestly your point is indefensible regardless. Maybe we can't get the number of road deaths to 0. Maybe we can only get them to 1. That's worth doing.

No it’s literally not. If risks were above unacceptable levels yes. If people following the rules are routinely dying yes. However that’s not what’s happening. Very few people are dying and the ones that do are doing really reckless things.

Well. I guess you find the current number of dead bodies acceptable. I don't. And honestly, I don't care whether or not they were "following the rules". Evidently you want the righteous to prosper and the wicked to be punished. What I want is roads that are safe for everyone. A safe system. We don't have that.

DP. I don’t want anyone to be punished but there’s only so much you can do when people don’t care about their own safety.

If you think the number of cyclists who die every year is a lot just wait until you look at the homicide stats.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules. People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

I don't think you understand Vision Zero. Vision Zero says that roads should be safe for everyone EVEN WHEN people DON'T follow the rules.

I do understand that. I’m saying it doesn’t work. Sorry to be vague before.

OK, but actually it does work.

Show me the best intersection you can find and I’ll find ways people can make it fatal by breaking the rules.

How about the intersection of North Tioga Street and East State Street in Ithaca, New York?

^^^but honestly your point is indefensible regardless. Maybe we can't get the number of road deaths to 0. Maybe we can only get them to 1. That's worth doing.

No it’s literally not. If risks were above unacceptable levels yes. If people following the rules are routinely dying yes. However that’s not what’s happening. Very few people are dying and the ones that do are doing really reckless things.

Well. I guess you find the current number of dead bodies acceptable. I don't. And honestly, I don't care whether or not they were "following the rules". Evidently you want the righteous to prosper and the wicked to be punished. What I want is roads that are safe for everyone. A safe system. We don't have that.

DP. I don’t want anyone to be punished but there’s only so much you can do when people don’t care about their own safety.

If you think the number of cyclists who die every year is a lot just wait until you look at the homicide stats.

What an odd assumption, that people don't care about their own safety. Of course people care about their own safety. That's like saying, if you cared about your own safety, you wouldn't get into a car.

However, even if it were true, we're still nowhere near the point of having done as much as we can do.

It's also an odd assumption that this is only about people riding bikes.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/pedestrian-deaths-in-u-s-reach-highest-level-in-40-years

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules. People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

I don't think you understand Vision Zero. Vision Zero says that roads should be safe for everyone EVEN WHEN people DON'T follow the rules.

I do understand that. I’m saying it doesn’t work. Sorry to be vague before.

OK, but actually it does work.

Show me the best intersection you can find and I’ll find ways people can make it fatal by breaking the rules.

How about the intersection of North Tioga Street and East State Street in Ithaca, New York?

^^^but honestly your point is indefensible regardless. Maybe we can't get the number of road deaths to 0. Maybe we can only get them to 1. That's worth doing.

No it’s literally not. If risks were above unacceptable levels yes. If people following the rules are routinely dying yes. However that’s not what’s happening. Very few people are dying and the ones that do are doing really reckless things.

Well. I guess you find the current number of dead bodies acceptable. I don't. And honestly, I don't care whether or not they were "following the rules". Evidently you want the righteous to prosper and the wicked to be punished. What I want is roads that are safe for everyone. A safe system. We don't have that.

What’s the acceptable number of people to die every year from drowning in bathtubs? What about falling off ladders?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules. People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

I don't think you understand Vision Zero. Vision Zero says that roads should be safe for everyone EVEN WHEN people DON'T follow the rules.

I do understand that. I’m saying it doesn’t work. Sorry to be vague before.

OK, but actually it does work.

Show me the best intersection you can find and I’ll find ways people can make it fatal by breaking the rules.

How about the intersection of North Tioga Street and East State Street in Ithaca, New York?

^^^but honestly your point is indefensible regardless. Maybe we can't get the number of road deaths to 0. Maybe we can only get them to 1. That's worth doing.

No it’s literally not. If risks were above unacceptable levels yes. If people following the rules are routinely dying yes. However that’s not what’s happening. Very few people are dying and the ones that do are doing really reckless things.

Well. I guess you find the current number of dead bodies acceptable. I don't. And honestly, I don't care whether or not they were "following the rules". Evidently you want the righteous to prosper and the wicked to be punished. What I want is roads that are safe for everyone. A safe system. We don't have that.

What’s the acceptable number of people to die every year from drowning in bathtubs? What about falling off ladders?

What number of people do you find acceptable to die every year from car crashes? It was about 43,000 people in 2021. It's the leading cause of death in many age groups. Our car crash death rate is much higher than every other wealthy country. Do you think that's acceptable? I don't. Do you think we can change it? I do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/27/upshot/road-deaths-pedestrians-cyclists.html