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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating.  Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day.  Quite frustrating. [/quote]

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.[/quote]
Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since. [/quote]

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...[/quote]
They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.  [/quote]
They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life. [/quote]

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.[/quote]
Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again. [/quote]

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.[/quote]

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness. [/quote]

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)[/quote]

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. [b]Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules.[/b] People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

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I don't think you understand Vision Zero. Vision Zero says that roads should be safe for everyone EVEN WHEN people DON'T follow the rules.[/quote]

I do understand that. I’m saying it doesn’t work. Sorry to be vague before. [/quote]

OK, but actually it does work. [/quote]

Show me the best intersection you can find and I’ll find ways people can make it fatal by breaking the rules. [/quote]

If you're trying to kill somebody with your car, that's murder. I agree that Vision Zero doesn't say that roads should be safe for everyone even when someone is intentionally and deliberately trying to murder someone else.[/quote]

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