Little Falls Parkway speed bumps

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

The person driving probably is as upset about it as one can be. But at the end of the day they were not responsible for this guys stupid and deadly mistake.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

The person driving probably is as upset about it as one can be. But at the end of the day they were not responsible for this guys stupid and deadly mistake.

No doubt that is a great comfort to them.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

The person driving probably is as upset about it as one can be. But at the end of the day they were not responsible for this guys stupid and deadly mistake.

The stupid and deadly mistake in your eyes was riding a bike.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

The person driving probably is as upset about it as one can be. But at the end of the day they were not responsible for this guys stupid and deadly mistake.

The stupid and deadly mistake in your eyes was riding a bike.

Not PP but the stupid and deadly mistake in my eyes was running a stop sign.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

The person driving probably is as upset about it as one can be. But at the end of the day they were not responsible for this guys stupid and deadly mistake.

The stupid and deadly mistake in your eyes was riding a bike.

Not PP but the stupid and deadly mistake in my eyes was running a stop sign.

I prefer road designs where when I'm driving, I'm less at risk of killing people who do stupid things.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

If pedestrians and cyclists don't stop before crossing a street, every single road design is dangerous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That entire area is INSANE. You can't drive more than 20 feet without a speed bump, stop sign or light. Have you driven up Dorset from Little Falls to Wisconsin? WTH???

Roads are for driving, people.

Speed bumps. Bike lanes. Taking away lanes for other reasons like creating a park on a road, actually next to a park.

All part of the Mont. Cty road diet strategy. Build more everywhere, pack them all in, and then let them eat cake in traffic and wreck their alignments (and bad backs!) on bumps.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules. People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

If pedestrians and cyclists don't stop before crossing a street, every single road design is dangerous.

No, that's incorrect. The difference is speed. If you're going going 20 mph or less, it's very likely that the people will survive without major injury. The faster you're going, the more likely that the people will have a major injury or be killed. By the time you get to 40 mph, the chance of their major injury or death is over 80%. Also, the faster you're going, the less able you are to see and stop for people. Faster speeds produce more tunnel vision, and also the stopping distance is longer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That entire area is INSANE. You can't drive more than 20 feet without a speed bump, stop sign or light. Have you driven up Dorset from Little Falls to Wisconsin? WTH???

Roads are for driving, people.

Speed bumps. Bike lanes. Taking away lanes for other reasons like creating a park on a road, actually next to a park.

All part of the Mont. Cty road diet strategy. Build more everywhere, pack them all in, and then let them eat cake in traffic and wreck their alignments (and bad backs!) on bumps.

More speed humps, bike lanes, and parks sounds good to me. I'd like more sidewalks too, please, and more kids able to walk and bike safely to school.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

Stop the hyperbole. It’s so ridiculous and make you look silly. No one has ever been killed in a car accident or by any other means along Little Falls Parkway in the 3 decades I have lived here. There was one fatality at the intersection of Little Falls Parkway and the CCT, following which they reduced the lanes at that specific intersection and no one had died since.

So nobody has been killed on Little Falls Parkway, except for the person who was killed on Little Falls Parkway, but that's ok because nobody else has been killed on Little Falls Parkway since...

They were killed at the intersection with the trail not “along the parkway”.

They also died because they failed to heed stop signs on the trail and failed to yield crossing the road. They broke the law and unfortunately paid with their life.

We don't have instant capital punishment for people who disobey stop signs. If we did, 99% of drivers in Montgomery County would be dead. I say that as a driver.

Jumping into a pool without knowing how to swim and then drowning is not “capital punishment”. Try again.

The person who was driving and killed Ned Gaylin might have a different view of the case. I don't know about you, but when I'm driving, I don't want to kill anybody, whether they stopped or didn't stop at a stop sign. If safety improvements reduce my chances of hitting or killing somebody, I'm all for them.

There was nothing the driver could do. Gaylin pulled out in front of him. He wasn’t going that fast, and all indications were that Gaylin would survive when the ambulance took him to the hospital. I used to see Gaylin around on his bike and he never stopped. Luckily for him, all but one driver was able to stop and prevent a deadly collision. Unfortunately for him, one couldn’t. Redesigning the road was an overreaction. His death wasn’t a punishment. No one had any intent to punish. It was the outcome of his own recklessness.

That is a lot of words to obscure these facts:

1. Ned Gaylin was killed
2. Someone who was driving killed him with their car
3. The design was dangerous (and was known to be dangerous)

4. Ned Gaylin’s own reckless conduct caused the collision and his death. If he did the same thing today he’d still die. Vision Zero is a folly unless people take responsibility for their own safety and follow the rules. People can make any design deadly. Ned Gaylin is proof of that.

I don't think you understand Vision Zero. Vision Zero says that roads should be safe for everyone EVEN WHEN people DON'T follow the rules.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope Kenwood wins. I don’t live there but need to drive there most weekdays and get stuck in traffic now like never before. I’m a liberal democrat and the county’s approach to roads is infuriating. Between this, Old Georgetown, and now Tuckerman, they are brazenly attempting to reshape the county roads without an actual plan of how this affects people day to day. Quite frustrating.

1. There actually are plans. Nobody just woke up one fine morning and said, You know what? Today is a great day to start repaving and restriping Old Georgetown Road!
2. When you consider "how this affects people day to day", please also include (a) people who are not driving and (b) people who were killed on those roads.

You are correct. There were plans to rip up the road, and then when no one was looking, they repaved and restriped it with a bike lane. Missed all the hearings and demand study on that. Drove it today. Zero bikers out. Again.

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Np. I live in a kids school walk zone. We can’t afford to hire more buses frankly, and it’s better for kids to walk. Cars going ten miles faster only save 3-6 min on their trip. You really think 3-6 min is worth losing out in having pedestrians, bicyclists, and kids being able to walk to school safely. Your ‘need for speed’ is not in anyones interest. It means more cars on the road, more traffic jams, more obesity. You are only screwing yourself in the end by not encouraging sharing the roads and traveling at safe speeds. If everyone has to drive, you will be stuck behind them.