Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:

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Anonymous wrote:dcum atheists can be summed up thusly: online, and miserable.

Atheists have entire countries without religion they can choose from, to move to…one atheist said they have a country to move to, but won’t name said country. Wonder why?

If America and their superstitions are so very ignorant and make life so very uncomfortable, move to an atheist paradise!

The US is not a Christian country. Get over it.

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https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/01/04/faith-on-the-hill-2021/

Much has been written about President Joe Biden’s Catholic faith. He often speaks of his religious convictions and quotes the Bible, and he attends Mass regularly.

The U.S. Constitution famously prohibits any religious test or requirement for public office. Still, almost all of the nation’s presidents have been Christians and many have been Episcopalians or Presbyterians, with most of the rest belonging to other prominent Protestant denominations.


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https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/01/20/biden-only-second-catholic-president-but-nearly-all-have-been-christians-2/

America does not have an official, state religion, but most of our elected officials are Christian.

There are Christian citizens - and some elected officials - but this is not a Christian country.

[Anonymous]

Wow. Nixon was a Quaker. That is shocking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:dcum atheists can be summed up thusly: online, and miserable.

Atheists have entire countries without religion they can choose from, to move to…one atheist said they have a country to move to, but won’t name said country. Wonder why?

If America and their superstitions are so very ignorant and make life so very uncomfortable, move to an atheist paradise!

The US is not a Christian country. Get over it.

vibe emojis


https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/01/04/faith-on-the-hill-2021/

Much has been written about President Joe Biden’s Catholic faith. He often speaks of his religious convictions and quotes the Bible, and he attends Mass regularly.

The U.S. Constitution famously prohibits any religious test or requirement for public office. Still, almost all of the nation’s presidents have been Christians and many have been Episcopalians or Presbyterians, with most of the rest belonging to other prominent Protestant denominations.


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https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/01/20/biden-only-second-catholic-president-but-nearly-all-have-been-christians-2/

America does not have an official, state religion, but most of our elected officials are Christian.

There are Christian citizens - and some elected officials - but this is not a Christian country.

Guessing that pp was objecting to the fact that any presidents were Christian. Foolish argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Nixon was a Quaker. That is shocking.

A tangent, but I almost miss him. He started the EPA and wanted a minimum income benefit. Yeah, he did some shady things during a campaign, and no way can I condone Vietnam. But compared to the bozo republicans we have now, he was almost reasonable.

[Anonymous]

Despite the steady decline in the percentage of Americans who identify as Christian, the proportion of congressional members who say they are Christian has remained very close to what it was in the early 1960s, according to a new report.

The report, released on Tuesday by Pew Research Center, found that 91 percent of the members of the new session of Congress, the 115th, identified as Christian. More than half a century ago, in 1961, 95 percent of United States representatives and senators said that they were Christian, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/us/politics/congress-religion-christians.html

KEY TAKEAWAYS
The newest survey of congressional religious beliefs shows our representatives aren't quite like us. Members of Congress are much more religious and more Christian than the general population. The effects of this disconnect are debatable.

A new report from Pew reveals that the religious affiliations in Congress also dramatically differ from those of the people they represent. Taken as part of a series of similar reports, it reveals certain trends in Congressional demographics that differ from that of the country as a whole.

A whopping 88 percent of Representatives and Senators are Christians. Breaking this down, 55 percent of them identify as some sort of Protestant, and another 30 percent are Catholic. Mormons make up around 2 percent of the legislature, with Orthodox Christians following at just above 1 percent. This puts them well behind the Jews, which 6 percent of the body identified as.

The Congressional Freethought Caucus, dedicated to fostering science and reason while defending the secular nature of government, has 14 members. It is, obviously, impossible for all its members to be non-religious. Its members represent a variety of faiths and denominations of Christianity, including humanism, while supporting all people’s rights.

https://bigthink.com/the-present/congress-demographics-religion/

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Anonymous wrote:That will never happen.

Yeahhhh, sorry. The intelligent among us aren’t buying the “that will never happen” line anymore.

Yeah, I am actually pretty sure that there were presentations being made to church folk in the 1970s about this. My mother occasionally admits that this was the case, and that she is totally in favor of a church-led government. Other times, she pretends she is just a fox-news'watching "regular" conservative. So she is insane, and possibly not the best source, but I do believe there was some organizing around this idea in the 70s/80s that led to insane voting populations that include my mother.

Really? You are “pretty sure” “presentations” were made to “church folk” in the 1970s? Please, link some credible sources. Who gave these presentations? What church populations did they speak to? What did their material instruct them to say?

Haha, as I said, I am a secondhand, noncredible source. The reason I believe it is because my mother doesn't have strong opinions unless they were presented to her in a big-setting, emotionally manipulative way, and (less credibly) occasionally she says it happened (and other times, denies same), in an independent, fundamentalist, evangelical church in Virginia. I am just passing on some anecdotal crap, as one does on an internet forum . I am not reporting to the nytimes.

In my imagination, the presentation has 2 parts:

Part 1: The Founding Fathers of our country intended USA to be Christian nation (despite all that moving to America for religious freedom). The country should be Christ-led. We will elect leaders who are Christian OR chosen by our Lord (supposedly Trump was chosen by the evangelicals' lord)

Part 2: Abortion, even though you had no problems with it before, is actually baby-murder. Women, be subservient. Think of the baby Jesus! Also: do not be sluts. Etc.

That sounds just like Jerry Falwell.

https://liberty.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/api/collection/p17184coll9/id/7389/download

“BRINGING THIS NATION BACK TO GOD AND I ' LL BE TAL KING ABOUT THE OLD TIME GOSPEL HOUR SURVIVAL FUND. AND HOW THAT YOU CAN HELP US BE A PART OF SAVING AMERICA. ”

“AND YET THE FOUNDING FATHERS, I F THEY KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN OUR LAND TODAY, THROWING GOD OUT OF PUBLIC L I F E , AND REMOVING MANGER SCENES FROM CITY HALLS. OUR CHILDREN NO LONGER ABLE TO PRAY IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL IN THIS COUNTRY AND ALL ACROSS AMERICA ANTI-CHRISTIAN INFLUENCE ALMOST SECULARIZING T H I S N A T I O N , THEY WOULD TURN OVER I N T H E I R G R A V E S .”

“IN THE ROTUNDA, IS THE FIGURE OF A CRUCIFIED CHRIST. ON THE WALLS OF THE CAPITAL DOME THESE WORDS APPEAR "THE NEW TESTAMENT ACCORDING TO THE LORD AND SAVIOUR J E S U S C H R I S T " . ON THE GREAT SEAL OF THE UNITED STATES I S INSCRIBED THE PHRASE, " I N U I T COLLECTOUS" WHICH MEANS GOD HAS SMILED ON OUR UNDERTAKING. THESE A R E N ' T J U S T S I G N S HUNG UPON THE WALLS. THESE CONVICTIONS ARE A PART OF THE WALLS THEMSELVES.”

“I WANT YOU TO GET MAD TODAY. NOT AT PERSONS BUT OUTRAGED BY THE EFF ORTS THAT ARE BEING MADE TO MAKE T H I S A
SECULAR NATION LIKE THE SOVIET UNION, LI KE RED CHINA”. (Sounds like a certain DCUM poster)

“IF YOU CAN MAKE IT A $1,000 GIFT, DO SO, OR $5,000 OR $10,000 OR $100 OR $50. I DON'T
KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO BUT MAI E IT THE MOST GENEROUS GIFT POSSIBLE. WE'VE GOT TWO WEEKS IN WHICH WE MUST PAY OFF A $3 MILLION NOTE ”


Can’t believe that people fell for this con artist.

Never heard of "Inuit collectous" so looked it up and found this:

Your search - "INUIT COLLECTOUS" - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:

Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
Try different keywords.
Try more general keywords.

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Also, found nothing for INTUIT COLLECTOUS. Clearly the whole thing is made up.

Hey, this is easy enough to look up. Some of the words on the United States Great Seal are "Annuit coeptis" which means "Providence favors our undertakings" which Falwell would read as "God's on our side." But anyway, this was misspelled in the PDF which seems to be a transcript.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is terrifying and a big reason we care:

Most Republicans Support Declaring the United States a Christian Nation

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/21/most-republicans-support-declaring-the-united-states-a-christian-nation-00057736

From the article

Christian nationalism, a belief that the United States was founded as a white, Christian nation and that there is no separation between church and state, is gaining steam on the right.

Most Republicans Say Christian Nationalism Is Unconstitutional — But Still Support It

Hopefully that will explain fully to the "why do you care?" crowd.

It doesn't have to be "declared," OP. Anyone with any sense of history (you, perhaps?) knows that America was founded as on Judeo-Christian principles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Nixon was a Quaker. That is shocking.

A tangent, but I almost miss him. He started the EPA and wanted a minimum income benefit. Yeah, he did some shady things during a campaign, and no way can I condone Vietnam. But compared to the bozo republicans we have now, he was almost reasonable.

Isn't that nuts? Nixon isn't so bad compared to modern-day Republicans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Despite the steady decline in the percentage of Americans who identify as Christian, the proportion of congressional members who say they are Christian has remained very close to what it was in the early 1960s, according to a new report.

The report, released on Tuesday by Pew Research Center, found that 91 percent of the members of the new session of Congress, the 115th, identified as Christian. More than half a century ago, in 1961, 95 percent of United States representatives and senators said that they were Christian, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/us/politics/congress-religion-christians.html

KEY TAKEAWAYS
The newest survey of congressional religious beliefs shows our representatives aren't quite like us. Members of Congress are much more religious and more Christian than the general population. The effects of this disconnect are debatable.

A new report from Pew reveals that the religious affiliations in Congress also dramatically differ from those of the people they represent. Taken as part of a series of similar reports, it reveals certain trends in Congressional demographics that differ from that of the country as a whole.

A whopping 88 percent of Representatives and Senators are Christians. Breaking this down, 55 percent of them identify as some sort of Protestant, and another 30 percent are Catholic. Mormons make up around 2 percent of the legislature, with Orthodox Christians following at just above 1 percent. This puts them well behind the Jews, which 6 percent of the body identified as.

The Congressional Freethought Caucus, dedicated to fostering science and reason while defending the secular nature of government, has 14 members. It is, obviously, impossible for all its members to be non-religious. Its members represent a variety of faiths and denominations of Christianity, including humanism, while supporting all people’s rights.

https://bigthink.com/the-present/congress-demographics-religion/

And......still not a Christian country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is terrifying and a big reason we care:

Most Republicans Support Declaring the United States a Christian Nation

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/21/most-republicans-support-declaring-the-united-states-a-christian-nation-00057736

From the article

Christian nationalism, a belief that the United States was founded as a white, Christian nation and that there is no separation between church and state, is gaining steam on the right.

Most Republicans Say Christian Nationalism Is Unconstitutional — But Still Support It

Hopefully that will explain fully to the "why do you care?" crowd.

It doesn't have to be "declared," OP. Anyone with any sense of history (you, perhaps?) knows that America was founded as on Judeo-Christian principles.

That doesn't make it a "Christian Nation".

Separation of church and state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is terrifying and a big reason we care:

Most Republicans Support Declaring the United States a Christian Nation

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/21/most-republicans-support-declaring-the-united-states-a-christian-nation-00057736

From the article

Christian nationalism, a belief that the United States was founded as a white, Christian nation and that there is no separation between church and state, is gaining steam on the right.

Most Republicans Say Christian Nationalism Is Unconstitutional — But Still Support It

Hopefully that will explain fully to the "why do you care?" crowd.

It doesn't have to be "declared," OP. Anyone with any sense of history (you, perhaps?) knows that America was founded as on Judeo-Christian principles.

No, this is untrue. Evidence was presented earlier.

Please name those values and explain how they are uniquely judeo christian? No one will answer that, because you can't. But I would love you to try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is terrifying and a big reason we care:

Most Republicans Support Declaring the United States a Christian Nation

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/21/most-republicans-support-declaring-the-united-states-a-christian-nation-00057736

From the article

Christian nationalism, a belief that the United States was founded as a white, Christian nation and that there is no separation between church and state, is gaining steam on the right.

Most Republicans Say Christian Nationalism Is Unconstitutional — But Still Support It

Hopefully that will explain fully to the "why do you care?" crowd.

It doesn't have to be "declared," OP. Anyone with any sense of history (you, perhaps?) knows that America was founded as on Judeo-Christian principles.

No, this is untrue. Evidence was presented earlier.

Please name those values and explain how they are uniquely judeo christian? No one will answer that, because you can't. But I would love you to try.

DP. There’s “render unto Caesar what is due Caesar and unto God what is due God.” (Matthew 22:15-22, Mark 12:14-17 and Luke 20:29-26). That is, the separation of church and state that you and I both want to see, and which this whole thread is about, is a very Christian principle. Some religions (Islam in particular) don’t separate the two.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is terrifying and a big reason we care:

Most Republicans Support Declaring the United States a Christian Nation

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/21/most-republicans-support-declaring-the-united-states-a-christian-nation-00057736

From the article

Christian nationalism, a belief that the United States was founded as a white, Christian nation and that there is no separation between church and state, is gaining steam on the right.

Most Republicans Say Christian Nationalism Is Unconstitutional — But Still Support It

Hopefully that will explain fully to the "why do you care?" crowd.

It doesn't have to be "declared," OP. Anyone with any sense of history (you, perhaps?) knows that America was founded as on Judeo-Christian principles.

No, this is untrue. Evidence was presented earlier.

Please name those values and explain how they are uniquely judeo christian? No one will answer that, because you can't. But I would love you to try.

DP. There’s “render unto Caesar what is due Caesar and unto God what is due God.” (Matthew 22:15-22, Mark 12:14-17 and Luke 20:29-26). That is, the separation of church and state that you and I both want to see, and which this whole thread is about, is a very Christian principle. Some religions (Islam in particular) don’t separate the two.

You know that secularism existed for centuries before the birth of Christ, right? So, fail. See: Ancient Greece for starters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism#History

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is terrifying and a big reason we care:

Most Republicans Support Declaring the United States a Christian Nation

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/21/most-republicans-support-declaring-the-united-states-a-christian-nation-00057736

From the article

Christian nationalism, a belief that the United States was founded as a white, Christian nation and that there is no separation between church and state, is gaining steam on the right.

Most Republicans Say Christian Nationalism Is Unconstitutional — But Still Support It

Hopefully that will explain fully to the "why do you care?" crowd.

It doesn't have to be "declared," OP. Anyone with any sense of history (you, perhaps?) knows that America was founded as on Judeo-Christian principles.

No, this is untrue. Evidence was presented earlier.

Please name those values and explain how they are uniquely judeo christian? No one will answer that, because you can't. But I would love you to try.

DP. There’s “render unto Caesar what is due Caesar and unto God what is due God.” (Matthew 22:15-22, Mark 12:14-17 and Luke 20:29-26). That is, the separation of church and state that you and I both want to see, and which this whole thread is about, is a very Christian principle. Some religions (Islam in particular) don’t separate the two.

You know that secularism existed for centuries before the birth of Christ, right? So, fail. See: Ancient Greece for starters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism#History

Doesn’t make them any less Christian principles. And in both Greece and Rome the state funded temples. Your point?

Do you ever get tired of your “fight me” approach and generally being a pugnacious jerk? No wonder nobody wants to engage with you, but then of course you declare victory based on the lack of responses … because nobody wants to engage with pugnacious jerks. Hmmm, maybe a different approach would net you more real discussion. That is, if you were genuinely interested in discussion, which you’re not. Bye.

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You know that secularism existed for centuries before the birth of Christ, right? So, fail. See: Ancient Greece for starters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism#History

Doesn’t make them any less Christian principles. And in both Greece and Rome the state funded temples. Your point?

Uhhh.. yes it does. Are you saying any idea that is also in the bible that the bible gets credit for? Sorry, that's not how ideas work. Those ideas existed for centuries, they are not "christian principles". They are "human principles". You can't just claim them because you want to and ignore the earlier sources.

Do you ever get tired of your “fight me” approach and generally being a pugnacious jerk?

Do you ever get tired of resorting to ad hominem when you don't have a salient point? I can get how that must be frustrating.

but then of course you declare victory based on the lack of responses …

Yes, that is generally how debates work.

because nobody wants to engage with pugnacious jerks. Hmmm, maybe a different approach would net you more real discussion. That is, if you were genuinely interested in discussion, which you’re not. Bye.

Yes I am, and despite your ad hominems, I am doing exactly that.