Why do Atheists care? Here is one scary reason:

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Anonymous wrote:As a descendant of two Mayflower passengers, I say keep your religion out of my government and stop trying to force your religion on me.


As another Mayflower descendant and Adams descendant, I say religion has much good to contribute. Not the ultra conservative religion, though.


As a descendant of the Mayflower passenger believed to have written the Mayflower Compact, I just refer all to that compact.


Which has zero relevance to the US today.

We aren’t a Christian nation.

No religion in government.

Don’t force your religion on others.
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Anonymous wrote:As a descendant of two Mayflower passengers, I say keep your religion out of my government and stop trying to force your religion on me.


As another Mayflower descendant and Adams descendant, I say religion has much good to contribute. Not the ultra conservative religion, though.


As a descendant of the Mayflower passenger believed to have written the Mayflower Compact, I just refer all to that compact.


Which has zero relevance to the US today.

We aren’t a Christian nation.

No religion in government.

Don’t force your religion on others.


We were in the beginning perhaps, with the Massachusetts Bay Colony - but not now. We're a secular nation now. But the religious people keep pushing to make inroads on the separation between church and state, and with some of the recent Supreme Court decisions, they're succeeding. I'm not even sure anymore where the definitive line between church and state is anymore.
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Anonymous wrote:As a descendant of two Mayflower passengers, I say keep your religion out of my government and stop trying to force your religion on me.


As another Mayflower descendant and Adams descendant, I say religion has much good to contribute. Not the ultra conservative religion, though.


As a descendant of the Mayflower passenger believed to have written the Mayflower Compact, I just refer all to that compact.


Which has zero relevance to the US today.

We aren’t a Christian nation.

No religion in government.

Don’t force your religion on others.


We were in the beginning perhaps, with the Massachusetts Bay Colony - but not now. We're a secular nation now. But the religious people keep pushing to make inroads on the separation between church and state, and with some of the recent Supreme Court decisions, they're succeeding. I'm not even sure anymore where the definitive line between church and state is anymore.


And they wonder why the non-christians are so vocal here...
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a descendant of two Mayflower passengers, I say keep your religion out of my government and stop trying to force your religion on me.


As another Mayflower descendant and Adams descendant, I say religion has much good to contribute. Not the ultra conservative religion, though.


As a descendant of the Mayflower passenger believed to have written the Mayflower Compact, I just refer all to that compact.


Which has zero relevance to the US today.

We aren’t a Christian nation.

No religion in government.

Don’t force your religion on others.


We were in the beginning perhaps, with the Massachusetts Bay Colony - but not now. We're a secular nation now. But the religious people keep pushing to make inroads on the separation between church and state, and with some of the recent Supreme Court decisions, they're succeeding. I'm not even sure anymore where the definitive line between church and state is anymore.

That was a colony, not a nation. The colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania had founding documents which were very different with regard to religion.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a descendant of two Mayflower passengers, I say keep your religion out of my government and stop trying to force your religion on me.


As another Mayflower descendant and Adams descendant, I say religion has much good to contribute. Not the ultra conservative religion, though.


As a descendant of the Mayflower passenger believed to have written the Mayflower Compact, I just refer all to that compact.


Which has zero relevance to the US today.

We aren’t a Christian nation.

No religion in government.

Don’t force your religion on others.


We were in the beginning perhaps, with the Massachusetts Bay Colony - but not now. We're a secular nation now. But the religious people keep pushing to make inroads on the separation between church and state, and with some of the recent Supreme Court decisions, they're succeeding. I'm not even sure anymore where the definitive line between church and state is anymore.

That was a colony, not a nation. The colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania had founding documents which were very different with regard to religion.


Maybe you could be more specific. I know William Penn was deeply religious. He was a Quaker and wanted to be free to worship as he pleased. Really, inhere those days, religion was vey powerful in England and, of course, in early America. That doesn't make us "a Judeo-Christian nation" of course, but the roots of religious belief run very deep
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a descendant of two Mayflower passengers, I say keep your religion out of my government and stop trying to force your religion on me.


As another Mayflower descendant and Adams descendant, I say religion has much good to contribute. Not the ultra conservative religion, though.


As a descendant of the Mayflower passenger believed to have written the Mayflower Compact, I just refer all to that compact.


Which has zero relevance to the US today.

We aren’t a Christian nation.

No religion in government.

Don’t force your religion on others.


We were in the beginning perhaps, with the Massachusetts Bay Colony - but not now. We're a secular nation now. But the religious people keep pushing to make inroads on the separation between church and state, and with some of the recent Supreme Court decisions, they're succeeding. I'm not even sure anymore where the definitive line between church and state is anymore.

That was a colony, not a nation. The colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania had founding documents which were very different with regard to religion.


Such as? We know Roger Williams broke off from Masachussets to form Rhode Island because he wanted separation of church and state - but he thought the state was encroaching too much on religion, not the other way around.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a descendant of two Mayflower passengers, I say keep your religion out of my government and stop trying to force your religion on me.


As another Mayflower descendant and Adams descendant, I say religion has much good to contribute. Not the ultra conservative religion, though.


As a descendant of the Mayflower passenger believed to have written the Mayflower Compact, I just refer all to that compact.


Which has zero relevance to the US today.

We aren’t a Christian nation.

No religion in government.

Don’t force your religion on others.


We were in the beginning perhaps, with the Massachusetts Bay Colony - but not now. We're a secular nation now. But the religious people keep pushing to make inroads on the separation between church and state, and with some of the recent Supreme Court decisions, they're succeeding. I'm not even sure anymore where the definitive line between church and state is anymore.

That was a colony, not a nation. The colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania had founding documents which were very different with regard to religion.


Such as? We know Roger Williams broke off from Masachussets to form Rhode Island because he wanted separation of church and state - but he thought the state was encroaching too much on religion, not the other way around.


I am not Christian. But this is why we should be able to find common ground. I have zero interest in living in a Christian state. But I would imagine that if you were Christian, you would have zero interest in the state telling you what your religion should be.
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Anonymous wrote:This is terrifying and a big reason we care:

Most Republicans Support Declaring the United States a Christian Nation

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/21/most-republicans-support-declaring-the-united-states-a-christian-nation-00057736

From the article

Christian nationalism, a belief that the United States was founded as a white, Christian nation and that there is no separation between church and state, is gaining steam on the right.

Most Republicans Say Christian Nationalism Is Unconstitutional — But Still Support It


Hopefully that will explain fully to the "why do you care?" crowd.


It doesn't have to be "declared," OP. Anyone with any sense of history (you, perhaps?) knows that America was founded as on Judeo-Christian principles.


No, this is untrue. Evidence was presented earlier.

Please name those values and explain how they are uniquely judeo christian? No one will answer that, because you can't. But I would love you to try.


You're kidding, right? Did you pass 8th grade history?

America was founded on the idea that individual rights come from God and not the state. That concept had never before been expressed, let alone implemented in a form of government. This is inherently the concept of Judeo/ Christian values - that we each, as individuals, are children of God and that we are created by Him.


Thank you.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a descendant of two Mayflower passengers, I say keep your religion out of my government and stop trying to force your religion on me.


As another Mayflower descendant and Adams descendant, I say religion has much good to contribute. Not the ultra conservative religion, though.


As a descendant of the Mayflower passenger believed to have written the Mayflower Compact, I just refer all to that compact.


Which has zero relevance to the US today.

We aren’t a Christian nation.

No religion in government.

Don’t force your religion on others.


We were in the beginning perhaps, with the Massachusetts Bay Colony - but not now. We're a secular nation now. But the religious people keep pushing to make inroads on the separation between church and state, and with some of the recent Supreme Court decisions, they're succeeding. I'm not even sure anymore where the definitive line between church and state is anymore.

That was a colony, not a nation. The colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania had founding documents which were very different with regard to religion.


Such as? We know Roger Williams broke off from Masachussets to form Rhode Island because he wanted separation of church and state - but he thought the state was encroaching too much on religion, not the other way around.


I am not Christian. But this is why we should be able to find common ground. I have zero interest in living in a Christian state. But I would imagine that if you were Christian, you would have zero interest in the state telling you what your religion should be.


This is a good post. The US government should never establish a state religion, that is the beauty of the US. We can worship any way we want, or not worship any way we want. That’s a simple way to live and a free way to live.

I don’t want any American being told they have to worship a God they don’t believe in. It’s not how America functions. We are free.

As a Christian, I deserve the same freedom to worship as I please. No one can tell me how to worship. My rights to worship and believe in God are as protected as another American’s right to not worship.

It’s really not hard. I marvel at how hard some people make it.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a descendant of two Mayflower passengers, I say keep your religion out of my government and stop trying to force your religion on me.


As another Mayflower descendant and Adams descendant, I say religion has much good to contribute. Not the ultra conservative religion, though.


As a descendant of the Mayflower passenger believed to have written the Mayflower Compact, I just refer all to that compact.


Which has zero relevance to the US today.

We aren’t a Christian nation.

No religion in government.

Don’t force your religion on others.


We were in the beginning perhaps, with the Massachusetts Bay Colony - but not now. We're a secular nation now. But the religious people keep pushing to make inroads on the separation between church and state, and with some of the recent Supreme Court decisions, they're succeeding. I'm not even sure anymore where the definitive line between church and state is anymore.

That was a colony, not a nation. The colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania had founding documents which were very different with regard to religion.


Such as? We know Roger Williams broke off from Masachussets to form Rhode Island because he wanted separation of church and state - but he thought the state was encroaching too much on religion, not the other way around.


I am not Christian. But this is why we should be able to find common ground. I have zero interest in living in a Christian state. But I would imagine that if you were Christian, you would have zero interest in the state telling you what your religion should be.


This is a good post. The US government should never establish a state religion, that is the beauty of the US. We can worship any way we want, or not worship any way we want. That’s a simple way to live and a free way to live.

I don’t want any American being told they have to worship a God they don’t believe in. It’s not how America functions. We are free.

As a Christian, I deserve the same freedom to worship as I please. No one can tell me how to worship. My rights to worship and believe in God are as protected as another American’s right to not worship.

It’s really not hard. I marvel at how hard some people make it.


well you are really naive if not disingenuous. It took a recent Supreme Court decision to decide a football coach at a public high school could pray in the end zone after a game. I assume that's covered under your definition of "freedom to worship as [you] please." Where the line is drawn now is not clear at all. The religious people keep pushing and it literally takes a federal court decision to decide to your freedom is.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a descendant of two Mayflower passengers, I say keep your religion out of my government and stop trying to force your religion on me.


As another Mayflower descendant and Adams descendant, I say religion has much good to contribute. Not the ultra conservative religion, though.


As a descendant of the Mayflower passenger believed to have written the Mayflower Compact, I just refer all to that compact.


Which has zero relevance to the US today.

We aren’t a Christian nation.

No religion in government.

Don’t force your religion on others.


We were in the beginning perhaps, with the Massachusetts Bay Colony - but not now. We're a secular nation now. But the religious people keep pushing to make inroads on the separation between church and state, and with some of the recent Supreme Court decisions, they're succeeding. I'm not even sure anymore where the definitive line between church and state is anymore.

That was a colony, not a nation. The colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania had founding documents which were very different with regard to religion.


Such as? We know Roger Williams broke off from Masachussets to form Rhode Island because he wanted separation of church and state - but he thought the state was encroaching too much on religion, not the other way around.


I am not Christian. But this is why we should be able to find common ground. I have zero interest in living in a Christian state. But I would imagine that if you were Christian, you would have zero interest in the state telling you what your religion should be.


This is a good post. The US government should never establish a state religion, that is the beauty of the US. We can worship any way we want, or not worship any way we want. That’s a simple way to live and a free way to live.

I don’t want any American being told they have to worship a God they don’t believe in. It’s not how America functions. We are free.

As a Christian, I deserve the same freedom to worship as I please. No one can tell me how to worship. My rights to worship and believe in God are as protected as another American’s right to not worship.

It’s really not hard. I marvel at how hard some people make it.


well you are really naive if not disingenuous. It took a recent Supreme Court decision to decide a football coach at a public high school could pray in the end zone after a game. I assume that's covered under your definition of "freedom to worship as [you] please." Where the line is drawn now is not clear at all. The religious people keep pushing and it literally takes a federal court decision to decide to your freedom is.


sorry. should be "what your freedom is."
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a descendant of two Mayflower passengers, I say keep your religion out of my government and stop trying to force your religion on me.


As another Mayflower descendant and Adams descendant, I say religion has much good to contribute. Not the ultra conservative religion, though.


As a descendant of the Mayflower passenger believed to have written the Mayflower Compact, I just refer all to that compact.


Which has zero relevance to the US today.

We aren’t a Christian nation.

No religion in government.

Don’t force your religion on others.


We were in the beginning perhaps, with the Massachusetts Bay Colony - but not now. We're a secular nation now. But the religious people keep pushing to make inroads on the separation between church and state, and with some of the recent Supreme Court decisions, they're succeeding. I'm not even sure anymore where the definitive line between church and state is anymore.

That was a colony, not a nation. The colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania had founding documents which were very different with regard to religion.


Such as? We know Roger Williams broke off from Masachussets to form Rhode Island because he wanted separation of church and state - but he thought the state was encroaching too much on religion, not the other way around.


I am not Christian. But this is why we should be able to find common ground. I have zero interest in living in a Christian state. But I would imagine that if you were Christian, you would have zero interest in the state telling you what your religion should be.


This is a good post. The US government should never establish a state religion, that is the beauty of the US. We can worship any way we want, or not worship any way we want. That’s a simple way to live and a free way to live.

I don’t want any American being told they have to worship a God they don’t believe in. It’s not how America functions. We are free.

As a Christian, I deserve the same freedom to worship as I please. No one can tell me how to worship. My rights to worship and believe in God are as protected as another American’s right to not worship.

It’s really not hard. I marvel at how hard some people make it.


well you are really naive if not disingenuous. It took a recent Supreme Court decision to decide a football coach at a public high school could pray in the end zone after a game. I assume that's covered under your definition of "freedom to worship as [you] please." Where the line is drawn now is not clear at all. The religious people keep pushing and it literally takes a federal court decision to decide to your freedom is.


My opinion is pray if you want, don’t pray if you want. I don’t know why the coach praying as he wants is wrong. If he didn’t want to pray, no one is making him.
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Anonymous wrote:As a descendant of two Mayflower passengers, I say keep your religion out of my government and stop trying to force your religion on me.


As another Mayflower descendant and Adams descendant, I say religion has much good to contribute. Not the ultra conservative religion, though.


As a descendant of the Mayflower passenger believed to have written the Mayflower Compact, I just refer all to that compact.


Which has zero relevance to the US today.

We aren’t a Christian nation.

No religion in government.

Don’t force your religion on others.


We were in the beginning perhaps, with the Massachusetts Bay Colony - but not now. We're a secular nation now. But the religious people keep pushing to make inroads on the separation between church and state, and with some of the recent Supreme Court decisions, they're succeeding. I'm not even sure anymore where the definitive line between church and state is anymore.

That was a colony, not a nation. The colonies of Maryland and Pennsylvania had founding documents which were very different with regard to religion.


Such as? We know Roger Williams broke off from Masachussets to form Rhode Island because he wanted separation of church and state - but he thought the state was encroaching too much on religion, not the other way around.


I am not Christian. But this is why we should be able to find common ground. I have zero interest in living in a Christian state. But I would imagine that if you were Christian, you would have zero interest in the state telling you what your religion should be.


This is a good post. The US government should never establish a state religion, that is the beauty of the US. We can worship any way we want, or not worship any way we want. That’s a simple way to live and a free way to live.

I don’t want any American being told they have to worship a God they don’t believe in. It’s not how America functions. We are free.

As a Christian, I deserve the same freedom to worship as I please. No one can tell me how to worship. My rights to worship and believe in God are as protected as another American’s right to not worship.

It’s really not hard. I marvel at how hard some people make it.


well you are really naive if not disingenuous. It took a recent Supreme Court decision to decide a football coach at a public high school could pray in the end zone after a game. I assume that's covered under your definition of "freedom to worship as [you] please." Where the line is drawn now is not clear at all. The religious people keep pushing and it literally takes a federal court decision to decide to your freedom is.


My opinion is pray if you want, don’t pray if you want. I don’t know why the coach praying as he wants is wrong. If he didn’t want to pray, no one is making him.


Well a teacher couldn't do that in a classroom during the day in front of students. So that's a limitation on one's feedom to worship as they please. I assume you agree with that? but with this Supreme Court who knows?
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Anonymous wrote:As a descendant of two Mayflower passengers, I say keep your religion out of my government and stop trying to force your religion on me.


As another Mayflower descendant and Adams descendant, I say religion has much good to contribute. Not the ultra conservative religion, though.


Religions can contribute towards good in various ways in different communities.

No religion belongs in the government though.

And don’t force your religion on others
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But if can't force my religion on others, then that's a violation of my religious freedom. Basically if my god tells me to do it, i have a right to do it. That's why the Supreme Court said the football coach has a constitutional right to pray with his team in the middle of a high school football game. 😇
Anonymous
Are you a Christian and wish to make others believe as you do? You are speaking negatively for people that are Christians, yet are not a Christian.

If you aren’t a Christian, don’t speak for Christians. And refrain from using childish emojis as you impersonate a Christian. Let Christians speak for themselves, please.

It’s wrong and unfair to denigrate a group of people. Each person has their own thoughts and beliefs. You don’t know how people feel on a personal level.
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