Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed

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Anonymous wrote:If you see the Takoma Park MS Magnet program. From the website of https://www.edufair.us/

The main beneficiaries were White students gaining the most number of seats via this lottery system - but no one seems to note that: +8.3%, followed by Black: +5.3%, and then Hispanic +2.7%. With Asian students losing: -14.1%

Was that the outcome MCPS was trying to achieve? I am not aware of the latest data.

Notably - if you want magnet schools and you live in the wrong neighbhorhood - eg, Bethesda, Potomac type locations geographically - good luck getting your kids to the magnet program - they have to spend a tremendous amount of time commuting - because well naturally that's what MCPC thinks is equitable approach for resource distribution.

Naturally - your taxes should be redistributed too- because that's only fair, reasonable and equitable for Asians/immigrants - as you have obviously had an advantaged up-bringing because you were born rich and privileged when you arrived to this country, and exploited people generationally.

Yep..this is the American dream we all signed-up for - to be discriminated against to advantage other 'minority - majorities' - but in the end result of advantaging Whites.

I didn't read all of this but I do wish everyone would stop making this *so* important. I graduated both from TPMS and Blair, a long time back. Now my own two kids are in MCPS, about to be in the "pool".
I honestly don't care if they get selected. Why? Because they will be fine if they don't get in. I would have been fine if I hadn't gotten into either school too. Because the important things that are stressed in so many Asian families were already there (hard work, respect, time management, discipline, sacrifice) and would have still been there had I gone to other schools.

And that's the truth - in my day (late 90s), most of my fellow Asian classmates' parents were docs, engineers, and researchers at NIH - it's SUCH a leg up in life to have educated parents. You cannot tell me the reason why they are all for the most part doing well in life was because of Blair and taking thermodynamics in high school. I imagine, before lottery, it was much the same. Yes, the program and teacher matter, but it most matters to the students who didn't come from homes like mine and who needed the extra encouragement and stimulation. It would be much much better for the school to just take an income based admission process honestly.

Anyway, magnets are not that important. It's the values you create as parents that's important which actually translate to everything that follows.

Great..do me a huge - solid - if your kid 'wins the lottery' the please decline...can't believe education and kids futures and the nations future is being made into a gambling game by MCPS!

Can't believe how hyperbolic everyone on this forum is.

So are you fine with MCPS not providing opportunities to equally qualified highly abled students and pick only certain students send them to magnet?

Are you two a comedy duo? Which one is the straight man? Which is the stooge?

Typical MCPS public relations tactics to call name, online bully parents and distract and divert serious conversation. Do you have answers to why MCPS is denying opportunities for highly abled students and pick only few that they like and admit them into magnet? Why is lottery process is not transparent? what is there to hide?

What about the lottery would you like to know that isn't already public?

There is a poster complaining about this regularly. I think they just want a livestream of MCPS staff pulling names out of a giant hat and reading them aloud.

The spectacle of a.hat that large would be pretty entertaining - but how about one of those things with the air tubes and numbered ping pongs?

That's what I imagined, too, when I read their posts.

How about lottery to ensure equity in sports?

Yup. American public schools really need to work harder at developing and maintaining an equitable spread of former high school athletes throughout our communities.

Then why is that MCPS is ignoring implementing lottery for sports teams? Equity will be good in sports too right?

Seems like an excellent idea to have more kids benefit from this experience.

Well, you never know until you try and more over, you will find a lot of hidden talents who are not given opportunity due to lack of lottery process.

Swimming might be a little tricky considering so roughly 75% haven't learned how to swim... but for those that can do 200m butterfly, backstroke, breaststroke and freestyle within.... 4 minutes? Just put them on the team. At least they have shown->

A: They won't sink
B: They will finish the race

Then it will be just like the magnet admissions lottery where the accepted students have shown->

A: They won't sink
B: They will finish the race

Does not matter, MCPS has a lot of participation trophies that they will hand out to achieve equity

If more kids ended up swimming as a result, I'd call it a success!

Except at the Olympics when they're handing out the Gold.

You need to ask yourself whether MCPS is a global leader or just a local following.

Holy smokes!?!?!?! Seriously????

MCPS is not in the business of training Olympians! It is a public school system. And extracurricular sports are NOT NOT NOT a primary function. School sports are fun, community building efforts.

Is literally EVERYTHING some kind of competition to you? Can't anything just be done because it brings communities together in a way so that they enjoy being together????

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Anonymous wrote:If you see the Takoma Park MS Magnet program. From the website of https://www.edufair.us/

The main beneficiaries were White students gaining the most number of seats via this lottery system - but no one seems to note that: +8.3%, followed by Black: +5.3%, and then Hispanic +2.7%. With Asian students losing: -14.1%

Was that the outcome MCPS was trying to achieve? I am not aware of the latest data.

Notably - if you want magnet schools and you live in the wrong neighbhorhood - eg, Bethesda, Potomac type locations geographically - good luck getting your kids to the magnet program - they have to spend a tremendous amount of time commuting - because well naturally that's what MCPC thinks is equitable approach for resource distribution.

Naturally - your taxes should be redistributed too- because that's only fair, reasonable and equitable for Asians/immigrants - as you have obviously had an advantaged up-bringing because you were born rich and privileged when you arrived to this country, and exploited people generationally.

Yep..this is the American dream we all signed-up for - to be discriminated against to advantage other 'minority - majorities' - but in the end result of advantaging Whites.

I didn't read all of this but I do wish everyone would stop making this *so* important. I graduated both from TPMS and Blair, a long time back. Now my own two kids are in MCPS, about to be in the "pool".
I honestly don't care if they get selected. Why? Because they will be fine if they don't get in. I would have been fine if I hadn't gotten into either school too. Because the important things that are stressed in so many Asian families were already there (hard work, respect, time management, discipline, sacrifice) and would have still been there had I gone to other schools.

And that's the truth - in my day (late 90s), most of my fellow Asian classmates' parents were docs, engineers, and researchers at NIH - it's SUCH a leg up in life to have educated parents. You cannot tell me the reason why they are all for the most part doing well in life was because of Blair and taking thermodynamics in high school. I imagine, before lottery, it was much the same. Yes, the program and teacher matter, but it most matters to the students who didn't come from homes like mine and who needed the extra encouragement and stimulation. It would be much much better for the school to just take an income based admission process honestly.

Anyway, magnets are not that important. It's the values you create as parents that's important which actually translate to everything that follows.

Great..do me a huge - solid - if your kid 'wins the lottery' the please decline...can't believe education and kids futures and the nations future is being made into a gambling game by MCPS!

Can't believe how hyperbolic everyone on this forum is.

So are you fine with MCPS not providing opportunities to equally qualified highly abled students and pick only certain students send them to magnet?

Are you two a comedy duo? Which one is the straight man? Which is the stooge?

Typical MCPS public relations tactics to call name, online bully parents and distract and divert serious conversation. Do you have answers to why MCPS is denying opportunities for highly abled students and pick only few that they like and admit them into magnet? Why is lottery process is not transparent? what is there to hide?

What about the lottery would you like to know that isn't already public?

There is a poster complaining about this regularly. I think they just want a livestream of MCPS staff pulling names out of a giant hat and reading them aloud.

The spectacle of a.hat that large would be pretty entertaining - but how about one of those things with the air tubes and numbered ping pongs?

That's what I imagined, too, when I read their posts.

How about lottery to ensure equity in sports?

Yup. American public schools really need to work harder at developing and maintaining an equitable spread of former high school athletes throughout our communities.

Then why is that MCPS is ignoring implementing lottery for sports teams? Equity will be good in sports too right?

Seems like an excellent idea to have more kids benefit from this experience.

Well, you never know until you try and more over, you will find a lot of hidden talents who are not given opportunity due to lack of lottery process.

Swimming might be a little tricky considering so roughly 75% haven't learned how to swim... but for those that can do 200m butterfly, backstroke, breaststroke and freestyle within.... 4 minutes? Just put them on the team. At least they have shown->

A: They won't sink
B: They will finish the race

Then it will be just like the magnet admissions lottery where the accepted students have shown->

A: They won't sink
B: They will finish the race

Does not matter, MCPS has a lot of participation trophies that they will hand out to achieve equity

If more kids ended up swimming as a result, I'd call it a success!

Except at the Olympics when they're handing out the Gold.

You need to ask yourself whether MCPS is a global leader or just a local following.

Holy smokes!?!?!?! Seriously????

MCPS is not in the business of training Olympians! It is a public school system. And extracurricular sports are NOT NOT NOT a primary function. School sports are fun, community building efforts.

Is literally EVERYTHING some kind of competition to you? Can't anything just be done because it brings communities together in a way so that they enjoy being together????

Agree, the poster with the sports fetish is a bit unhinged.

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Honestly I think if MCPS would just work on improving their general curriculum, maybe emulating the higher performing public school systems, you wouldn’t have so many dissatisfied parents and students trying desperately to get into the few magnet seats available.

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Holy smokes!?!?!?! Seriously????

MCPS is not in the business of training Olympians! It is a public school system. And extracurricular sports are NOT NOT NOT a primary function. School sports are fun, community building efforts.

Is literally EVERYTHING some kind of competition to you? Can't anything just be done because it brings communities together in a way so that they enjoy being together????

How is this possible when MCPS divides the community by injecting race equity into the mix?
Why deny opportunities for some highly abled students who are equally qualified? Why can't they treat every student equally and meet every student's needs to maximize their potential?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I think if MCPS would just work on improving their general curriculum, maybe emulating the higher performing public school systems, you wouldn’t have so many dissatisfied parents and students trying desperately to get into the few magnet seats available.

+1 I think MCPS was at the top of its game about 15 years ago? It's unfortunate.

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Anonymous wrote:If you see the Takoma Park MS Magnet program. From the website of https://www.edufair.us/

The main beneficiaries were White students gaining the most number of seats via this lottery system - but no one seems to note that: +8.3%, followed by Black: +5.3%, and then Hispanic +2.7%. With Asian students losing: -14.1%

Was that the outcome MCPS was trying to achieve? I am not aware of the latest data.

Notably - if you want magnet schools and you live in the wrong neighbhorhood - eg, Bethesda, Potomac type locations geographically - good luck getting your kids to the magnet program - they have to spend a tremendous amount of time commuting - because well naturally that's what MCPC thinks is equitable approach for resource distribution.

Naturally - your taxes should be redistributed too- because that's only fair, reasonable and equitable for Asians/immigrants - as you have obviously had an advantaged up-bringing because you were born rich and privileged when you arrived to this country, and exploited people generationally.

Yep..this is the American dream we all signed-up for - to be discriminated against to advantage other 'minority - majorities' - but in the end result of advantaging Whites.

I didn't read all of this but I do wish everyone would stop making this *so* important. I graduated both from TPMS and Blair, a long time back. Now my own two kids are in MCPS, about to be in the "pool".
I honestly don't care if they get selected. Why? Because they will be fine if they don't get in. I would have been fine if I hadn't gotten into either school too. Because the important things that are stressed in so many Asian families were already there (hard work, respect, time management, discipline, sacrifice) and would have still been there had I gone to other schools.

And that's the truth - in my day (late 90s), most of my fellow Asian classmates' parents were docs, engineers, and researchers at NIH - it's SUCH a leg up in life to have educated parents. You cannot tell me the reason why they are all for the most part doing well in life was because of Blair and taking thermodynamics in high school. I imagine, before lottery, it was much the same. Yes, the program and teacher matter, but it most matters to the students who didn't come from homes like mine and who needed the extra encouragement and stimulation. It would be much much better for the school to just take an income based admission process honestly.

Anyway, magnets are not that important. It's the values you create as parents that's important which actually translate to everything that follows.

Great..do me a huge - solid - if your kid 'wins the lottery' the please decline...can't believe education and kids futures and the nations future is being made into a gambling game by MCPS!

Can't believe how hyperbolic everyone on this forum is.

So are you fine with MCPS not providing opportunities to equally qualified highly abled students and pick only certain students send them to magnet?

Are you two a comedy duo? Which one is the straight man? Which is the stooge?

Typical MCPS public relations tactics to call name, online bully parents and distract and divert serious conversation. Do you have answers to why MCPS is denying opportunities for highly abled students and pick only few that they like and admit them into magnet? Why is lottery process is not transparent? what is there to hide?

What about the lottery would you like to know that isn't already public?

There is a poster complaining about this regularly. I think they just want a livestream of MCPS staff pulling names out of a giant hat and reading them aloud.

The spectacle of a.hat that large would be pretty entertaining - but how about one of those things with the air tubes and numbered ping pongs?

That's what I imagined, too, when I read their posts.

How about lottery to ensure equity in sports?

Yup. American public schools really need to work harder at developing and maintaining an equitable spread of former high school athletes throughout our communities.

Then why is that MCPS is ignoring implementing lottery for sports teams? Equity will be good in sports too right?

Seems like an excellent idea to have more kids benefit from this experience.

Well, you never know until you try and more over, you will find a lot of hidden talents who are not given opportunity due to lack of lottery process.

Swimming might be a little tricky considering so roughly 75% haven't learned how to swim... but for those that can do 200m butterfly, backstroke, breaststroke and freestyle within.... 4 minutes? Just put them on the team. At least they have shown->

A: They won't sink
B: They will finish the race

Then it will be just like the magnet admissions lottery where the accepted students have shown->

A: They won't sink
B: They will finish the race

Does not matter, MCPS has a lot of participation trophies that they will hand out to achieve equity

If more kids ended up swimming as a result, I'd call it a success!

Except at the Olympics when they're handing out the Gold.

You need to ask yourself whether MCPS is a global leader or just a local following.

Holy smokes!?!?!?! Seriously????

MCPS is not in the business of training Olympians! It is a public school system. And extracurricular sports are NOT NOT NOT a primary function. School sports are fun, community building efforts.

Is literally EVERYTHING some kind of competition to you? Can't anything just be done because it brings communities together in a way so that they enjoy being together????

I read the original post. I guess we don't understand the concept of "analogy"?

Go to your kitchen and count how many items were 100% made in the USA. Open up your computer and do the same.

If you work for MCPS, you need to face the harsh reality that the U.S. does not exist in a bubble.

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Holy smokes!?!?!?! Seriously????

MCPS is not in the business of training Olympians! It is a public school system. And extracurricular sports are NOT NOT NOT a primary function. School sports are fun, community building efforts.

Is literally EVERYTHING some kind of competition to you? Can't anything just be done because it brings communities together in a way so that they enjoy being together????

How is this possible when MCPS divides the community by injecting race equity into the mix?
Why deny opportunities for some highly abled students who are equally qualified? Why can't they treat every student equally and meet every student's needs to maximize their potential?

Tilting at windmills...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Holy smokes!?!?!?! Seriously????

MCPS is not in the business of training Olympians! It is a public school system. And extracurricular sports are NOT NOT NOT a primary function. School sports are fun, community building efforts.

Is literally EVERYTHING some kind of competition to you? Can't anything just be done because it brings communities together in a way so that they enjoy being together????

How is this possible when MCPS divides the community by injecting race equity into the mix?
Why deny opportunities for some highly abled students who are equally qualified? Why can't they treat every student equally and meet every student's needs to maximize their potential?

That's exactly what they've addressed with their new selection criteria by ensuring all students have access to these programs not just ones from wealthy schools who invested thousands of dollars into prep classes to make them appear gifted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Holy smokes!?!?!?! Seriously????

MCPS is not in the business of training Olympians! It is a public school system. And extracurricular sports are NOT NOT NOT a primary function. School sports are fun, community building efforts.

Is literally EVERYTHING some kind of competition to you? Can't anything just be done because it brings communities together in a way so that they enjoy being together????

How is this possible when MCPS divides the community by injecting race equity into the mix?
Why deny opportunities for some highly abled students who are equally qualified? Why can't they treat every student equally and meet every student's needs to maximize their potential?

That's exactly what they've addressed with their new selection criteria by ensuring all students have access to these programs not just ones from wealthy schools who invested thousands of dollars into prep classes to make them appear gifted.

Whatever you tell yourself to get though the day.

But I do agree that the parents and home environment are the top two factors in student achievement, with school influence coming in third.

There were a lot of FARMS kids in my kid's old school from the neighborhood that you could wave opportunities at them all day long, but they wouldn't care. There were other FARMS kids who's parents were really strict, and they seemed to do fine as they got older. The first group of kids were the same Elementary School kids who hung out after dark in the playgrounds. The second group of kids, by and large were in homes before dark. But I don't think there is a single parenting difference between them and the FARMS parents who were strict on their kids.

You don't need to be rich to be a good parent, but it's also true that many good parents find their way to success.

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^^ But I don't think there is a single [b]monetary[\b] difference between them and the FARMS parents who were strict on their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly I think if MCPS would just work on improving their general curriculum, maybe emulating the higher performing public school systems, you wouldn’t have so many dissatisfied parents and students trying desperately to get into the few magnet seats available.

The problem is that taking away programs for gifted students is MCPSs plan for improving General curriculum.

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One good parent brings their child indoors, controls media time, makes sure assignments are done.

Another does all of those things and pays for tutoring and test prep.

There is nothing wrong with that. If I can spend $1000 there and get $15000 back in value from access to MCPS' better programs then why shouldn't I try?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One good parent brings their child indoors, controls media time, makes sure assignments are done.

Another does all of those things and pays for tutoring and test prep.

There is nothing wrong with that. If I can spend $1000 there and get $15000 back in value from access to MCPS' better programs then why shouldn't I try?

No reason at all. The problem is that some believe that doing this makes their child more deserving.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I think if MCPS would just work on improving their general curriculum, maybe emulating the higher performing public school systems, you wouldn’t have so many dissatisfied parents and students trying desperately to get into the few magnet seats available.

The problem is that taking away programs for gifted students is MCPSs plan for improving General curriculum.

Really? I haven't seen any evidence of this. Where do you get your information? Can you share links to credible sources?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Holy smokes!?!?!?! Seriously????

MCPS is not in the business of training Olympians! It is a public school system. And extracurricular sports are NOT NOT NOT a primary function. School sports are fun, community building efforts.

Is literally EVERYTHING some kind of competition to you? Can't anything just be done because it brings communities together in a way so that they enjoy being together????

How is this possible when MCPS divides the community by injecting race equity into the mix?
Why deny opportunities for some highly abled students who are equally qualified? Why can't they treat every student equally and meet every student's needs to maximize their potential?

That's exactly what they've addressed with their new selection criteria by ensuring all students have access to these programs not just ones from wealthy schools who invested thousands of dollars into prep classes to make them appear gifted.

Very true but many wealthy parents resent not being able to game admissions like the good old days.