Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed

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Anonymous wrote:Podcast on the District Court decision dismissing Asian families lawsuit against MCPS magnet admissions: https://youtu.be/04XDvTpZiMc

This decision was kind of inevitable since the claim had no merit. The group in question continues to have the greatest representation, which makes it hard to claim discrimination.

Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about. Denying opportunities to high performing kids are ok with you?

The claim wasn't that high-performing kids were being denied anything. It was that a group felt they were being discriminated against even though they are better represented than any other group. Go figure...

I think the bigger issue, in terms of strategy, was that the Asian American group refused to make common cause with any other group. They wanted this to be about discrimination against them in particular, but the fact pattern just didn't hold up. There are more Asian American kids outside the "low FARMS" schools than there are inside them. But by creating a case that focused on MC/UMC families in one specific part of the county, they drew attention to the fact that this new system primarily impacts families living in wealthy areas, whereas Asian Americans actually live all over the county.

Because targeting something like magnet admissions based on home school income brackets is actually legal, they shot themselves in the foot. A better approach would have been to assemble a group of "harmed parties" that included poor/working class families in high income areas. But this insistence on making a race-based claim doomed the case from the start.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Podcast on the District Court decision dismissing Asian families lawsuit against MCPS magnet admissions: https://youtu.be/04XDvTpZiMc

This decision was kind of inevitable since the claim had no merit. The group in question continues to have the greatest representation, which makes it hard to claim discrimination.

Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about. Denying opportunities to high performing kids are ok with you?

The claim wasn't that high-performing kids were being denied anything. It was that a group felt they were being discriminated against even though they are better represented than any other group. Go figure...

I think the bigger issue, in terms of strategy, was that the Asian American group refused to make common cause with any other group. They wanted this to be about discrimination against them in particular, but the fact pattern just didn't hold up. There are more Asian American kids outside the "low FARMS" schools than there are inside them. But by creating a case that focused on MC/UMC families in one specific part of the county, they drew attention to the fact that this new system primarily impacts families living in wealthy areas, whereas Asian Americans actually live all over the county.

Because targeting something like magnet admissions based on home school income brackets is actually legal, they shot themselves in the foot. A better approach would have been to assemble a group of "harmed parties" that included poor/working class families in high income areas. But this insistence on making a race-based claim doomed the case from the start.

No, that wasn't it at all. There was evidence of racism against Asians, but the attorney's were selective as to which families and evidence was included.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Podcast on the District Court decision dismissing Asian families lawsuit against MCPS magnet admissions: https://youtu.be/04XDvTpZiMc

This decision was kind of inevitable since the claim had no merit. The group in question continues to have the greatest representation, which makes it hard to claim discrimination.

Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about. Denying opportunities to high performing kids are ok with you?

The claim wasn't that high-performing kids were being denied anything. It was that a group felt they were being discriminated against even though they are better represented than any other group. Go figure...

I think the bigger issue, in terms of strategy, was that the Asian American group refused to make common cause with any other group. They wanted this to be about discrimination against them in particular, but the fact pattern just didn't hold up. There are more Asian American kids outside the "low FARMS" schools than there are inside them. But by creating a case that focused on MC/UMC families in one specific part of the county, they drew attention to the fact that this new system primarily impacts families living in wealthy areas, whereas Asian Americans actually live all over the county.

Because targeting something like magnet admissions based on home school income brackets is actually legal, they shot themselves in the foot. A better approach would have been to assemble a group of "harmed parties" that included poor/working class families in high income areas. But this insistence on making a race-based claim doomed the case from the start.

+100

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Podcast on the District Court decision dismissing Asian families lawsuit against MCPS magnet admissions: https://youtu.be/04XDvTpZiMc

This decision was kind of inevitable since the claim had no merit. The group in question continues to have the greatest representation, which makes it hard to claim discrimination.

Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about. Denying opportunities to high performing kids are ok with you?

The claim wasn't that high-performing kids were being denied anything. It was that a group felt they were being discriminated against even though they are better represented than any other group. Go figure...

I think the bigger issue, in terms of strategy, was that the Asian American group refused to make common cause with any other group. They wanted this to be about discrimination against them in particular, but the fact pattern just didn't hold up. There are more Asian American kids outside the "low FARMS" schools than there are inside them. But by creating a case that focused on MC/UMC families in one specific part of the county, they drew attention to the fact that this new system primarily impacts families living in wealthy areas, whereas Asian Americans actually live all over the county.

Because targeting something like magnet admissions based on home school income brackets is actually legal, they shot themselves in the foot. A better approach would have been to assemble a group of "harmed parties" that included poor/working class families in high income areas. But this insistence on making a race-based claim doomed the case from the start.

No, that wasn't it at all. There was evidence of racism against Asians, but the attorney's were selective as to which families and evidence was included.

This argument that the attorneys undermined their own clients comes across has a little unhinged

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Podcast on the District Court decision dismissing Asian families lawsuit against MCPS magnet admissions: https://youtu.be/04XDvTpZiMc

This decision was kind of inevitable since the claim had no merit. The group in question continues to have the greatest representation, which makes it hard to claim discrimination.

Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about. Denying opportunities to high performing kids are ok with you?

The claim wasn't that high-performing kids were being denied anything. It was that a group felt they were being discriminated against even though they are better represented than any other group. Go figure...

I think the bigger issue, in terms of strategy, was that the Asian American group refused to make common cause with any other group. They wanted this to be about discrimination against them in particular, but the fact pattern just didn't hold up. There are more Asian American kids outside the "low FARMS" schools than there are inside them. But by creating a case that focused on MC/UMC families in one specific part of the county, they drew attention to the fact that this new system primarily impacts families living in wealthy areas, whereas Asian Americans actually live all over the county.

Because targeting something like magnet admissions based on home school income brackets is actually legal, they shot themselves in the foot. A better approach would have been to assemble a group of "harmed parties" that included poor/working class families in high income areas. But this insistence on making a race-based claim doomed the case from the start.

No, that wasn't it at all. There was evidence of racism against Asians, but the attorney's were selective as to which families and evidence was included.

Check your grammar. You'll be more credible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Podcast on the District Court decision dismissing Asian families lawsuit against MCPS magnet admissions: https://youtu.be/04XDvTpZiMc

This decision was kind of inevitable since the claim had no merit. The group in question continues to have the greatest representation, which makes it hard to claim discrimination.

Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about. Denying opportunities to high performing kids are ok with you?

The claim wasn't that high-performing kids were being denied anything. It was that a group felt they were being discriminated against even though they are better represented than any other group. Go figure...

I think the bigger issue, in terms of strategy, was that the Asian American group refused to make common cause with any other group. They wanted this to be about discrimination against them in particular, but the fact pattern just didn't hold up. There are more Asian American kids outside the "low FARMS" schools than there are inside them. But by creating a case that focused on MC/UMC families in one specific part of the county, they drew attention to the fact that this new system primarily impacts families living in wealthy areas, whereas Asian Americans actually live all over the county.

Because targeting something like magnet admissions based on home school income brackets is actually legal, they shot themselves in the foot. A better approach would have been to assemble a group of "harmed parties" that included poor/working class families in high income areas. But this insistence on making a race-based claim doomed the case from the start.

Your statements are untrue. Asians do not live all over the county. Among the four major groups (Asian, Black, Hispanic, and White), Asians are the most concentrated.

MCPS publishes racial distributions in each school:
http://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/depArtments/sharedaccountability/glance/

You can plot Asian percentages in MCPS's 160+ elementary schools and you will see that Asians concentrate in ~25 schools (which are low or low moderate FARMS).

That's why Asians are greatly affected by local norming.

These are mathematical facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Podcast on the District Court decision dismissing Asian families lawsuit against MCPS magnet admissions: https://youtu.be/04XDvTpZiMc

This decision was kind of inevitable since the claim had no merit. The group in question continues to have the greatest representation, which makes it hard to claim discrimination.

Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about. Denying opportunities to high performing kids are ok with you?

The claim wasn't that high-performing kids were being denied anything. It was that a group felt they were being discriminated against even though they are better represented than any other group. Go figure...

I think the bigger issue, in terms of strategy, was that the Asian American group refused to make common cause with any other group. They wanted this to be about discrimination against them in particular, but the fact pattern just didn't hold up. There are more Asian American kids outside the "low FARMS" schools than there are inside them. But by creating a case that focused on MC/UMC families in one specific part of the county, they drew attention to the fact that this new system primarily impacts families living in wealthy areas, whereas Asian Americans actually live all over the county.

Because targeting something like magnet admissions based on home school income brackets is actually legal, they shot themselves in the foot. A better approach would have been to assemble a group of "harmed parties" that included poor/working class families in high income areas. But this insistence on making a race-based claim doomed the case from the start.

No, that wasn't it at all. There was evidence of racism against Asians, but the attorney's were selective as to which families and evidence was included.

Check your grammar. You'll be more credible.

Grammar Nazis do such a wonderful job of furthering discussions! [/sarcasm, just in case...]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Podcast on the District Court decision dismissing Asian families lawsuit against MCPS magnet admissions: https://youtu.be/04XDvTpZiMc

This decision was kind of inevitable since the claim had no merit. The group in question continues to have the greatest representation, which makes it hard to claim discrimination.

Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about. Denying opportunities to high performing kids are ok with you?

The claim wasn't that high-performing kids were being denied anything. It was that a group felt they were being discriminated against even though they are better represented than any other group. Go figure...

I think the bigger issue, in terms of strategy, was that the Asian American group refused to make common cause with any other group. They wanted this to be about discrimination against them in particular, but the fact pattern just didn't hold up. There are more Asian American kids outside the "low FARMS" schools than there are inside them. But by creating a case that focused on MC/UMC families in one specific part of the county, they drew attention to the fact that this new system primarily impacts families living in wealthy areas, whereas Asian Americans actually live all over the county.

Because targeting something like magnet admissions based on home school income brackets is actually legal, they shot themselves in the foot. A better approach would have been to assemble a group of "harmed parties" that included poor/working class families in high income areas. But this insistence on making a race-based claim doomed the case from the start.

I think that's one of the better explanations I've read. I should add I'm Aisan, but in favor of local norms since I feel it levels the playing field.

[Anonymous]

What the attorneys ignored was the MCPS Percentile calculation used. That would have proven their case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Podcast on the District Court decision dismissing Asian families lawsuit against MCPS magnet admissions: https://youtu.be/04XDvTpZiMc

This decision was kind of inevitable since the claim had no merit. The group in question continues to have the greatest representation, which makes it hard to claim discrimination.

Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about. Denying opportunities to high performing kids are ok with you?

The claim wasn't that high-performing kids were being denied anything. It was that a group felt they were being discriminated against even though they are better represented than any other group. Go figure...

I think the bigger issue, in terms of strategy, was that the Asian American group refused to make common cause with any other group. They wanted this to be about discrimination against them in particular, but the fact pattern just didn't hold up. There are more Asian American kids outside the "low FARMS" schools than there are inside them. But by creating a case that focused on MC/UMC families in one specific part of the county, they drew attention to the fact that this new system primarily impacts families living in wealthy areas, whereas Asian Americans actually live all over the county.

Because targeting something like magnet admissions based on home school income brackets is actually legal, they shot themselves in the foot. A better approach would have been to assemble a group of "harmed parties" that included poor/working class families in high income areas. But this insistence on making a race-based claim doomed the case from the start.

No, that wasn't it at all. There was evidence of racism against Asians, but the attorney's were selective as to which families and evidence was included.

Check your grammar. You'll be more credible.

Grammar Nazis do such a wonderful job of furthering discussions! [/sarcasm, just in case...]

That's the primary tactic of MCPS; to distract from the main point and ensure responses all go off on a tangent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What the attorneys ignored was the MCPS Percentile calculation used. That would have proven their case.

they did

i.e. Asians are only 15% of the population and occupy 60%+ of magnet seats,

other groups occupy a lower percentage of seats than their percentage

i.e. Hispanic students who make up something like 35% of the county occupy less than 10% of magnet seats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What the attorneys ignored was the MCPS Percentile calculation used. That would have proven their case.

Because attorneys routinely ignore stuff that can prove their case?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Podcast on the District Court decision dismissing Asian families lawsuit against MCPS magnet admissions: https://youtu.be/04XDvTpZiMc

This decision was kind of inevitable since the claim had no merit. The group in question continues to have the greatest representation, which makes it hard to claim discrimination.

Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about. Denying opportunities to high performing kids are ok with you?

The claim wasn't that high-performing kids were being denied anything. It was that a group felt they were being discriminated against even though they are better represented than any other group. Go figure...

I think the bigger issue, in terms of strategy, was that the Asian American group refused to make common cause with any other group. They wanted this to be about discrimination against them in particular, but the fact pattern just didn't hold up. There are more Asian American kids outside the "low FARMS" schools than there are inside them. But by creating a case that focused on MC/UMC families in one specific part of the county, they drew attention to the fact that this new system primarily impacts families living in wealthy areas, whereas Asian Americans actually live all over the county.

Because targeting something like magnet admissions based on home school income brackets is actually legal, they shot themselves in the foot. A better approach would have been to assemble a group of "harmed parties" that included poor/working class families in high income areas. But this insistence on making a race-based claim doomed the case from the start.

No, that wasn't it at all. There was evidence of racism against Asians, but the attorney's were selective as to which families and evidence was included.

Check your grammar. You'll be more credible.

Grammar Nazis do such a wonderful job of furthering discussions! [/sarcasm, just in case...]

That's the primary tactic of MCPS; to distract from the main point and ensure responses all go off on a tangent.

Yes,, but not sure how the most well-represented group in these magnets is being discriminated against.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What the attorneys ignored was the MCPS Percentile calculation used. That would have proven their case.

Because attorneys routinely ignore stuff that can prove their case?

No it was laughed out of court as everyone expected since admissions are race-blind and the group claiming discrimination is the most well represented.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the attorneys ignored was the MCPS Percentile calculation used. That would have proven their case.

Because attorneys routinely ignore stuff that can prove their case?

No it was laughed out of court as everyone expected since admissions are race-blind and the group claiming discrimination is the most well represented.

Again, please don't say "laughed out of court"

The case was taken seriously and the court made a serious determination.