COVID infection is brutal

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get how people are saying the vaccines don't work. To prevent infection, yes, but they were intended to stop severe disease and death, and for that they have:

Scroll down to the orange, blue, green bar graph and your mind will be blown. Vaccines work folks:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-state-of-affairs-july-25

The vaccines were not intended only to stop severe disease. They were intended to stop the spread of Covid. Please go back and read the news around the time the vaccines were released. Some examples included Biden and the CDC saying we would not need to mask anymore after being vaccinated. CDC guidance also allowed a person exposed to Covid to avoid quarantine if they were vaccinated.

The rhetoric changed once it became apparent vaccinated people were still getting infected with and spreading Covid. This is one of the reasons so many people are skeptical of the CDC and vaccine manufacturers now. They narrative keeps changing.

The narrative keeps changing because yes, science and public health evolves. The vaccines work against severe disease and death and if you can't see that, I can't help you. Quit waiting to be spoon fed everything and open your eyes. It's a big world out there. I don't care what people were saying about COVID two years ago. Things have evolved. Keep up.

Yes, things "evolve". That's why it was unfortunate that at the time vaccines came out they were sold as "very effective at preventing infection" for which they turned out not to be as effective as originally thought. However, at the time if you dared utter any statement contrary to a perfect "infection effectiveness" narrative. Twiiter, Facebook, etc would immediately slap your statement as "misinformation". Hence the skepticism at any pronouncements deemed "definitive" - that's not science - that's ideology/belief

+1 this, so much this

From a policy perspective I consider myself a progressive. I think we should have a universal basic income. I feel strongly about trans rights, I appreciate knowing people's preferred pronouns and I believe strongly that we need to focus on racial equity if we want to progress as a society. I think we should provide reparations for slavery ASAP. So when I say the left has been ridiculous on COVID, it's not because I'm fundamentally ideologically opposed to the left, on the contrary. It makes me sad that ideology took over COVID policy so strongly and worse yet, they try to gaslight people into thinking they're "following the science". Is the left as bad as a right on COVID? Of course not, but that standard is very, very low.

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Anonymous wrote:So it's safe to say the vaccines and boosters are worthless, our family got COVID, there was no correlation between sickness and vaccine and booster. The unvaxed memeber was the least sick. Weve been lied to. Class action against phizer

Sample size of 4, reported anonymously on a moms forum is surely the kind of scientific rigor that will hold up in court!

Do you actually disagree though? Pushing boosters with almost zero efficacy on healthy, young people seems almost criminal at this point.

I'm a vaccine fan, and I tend to agree. News is ramping up on Omicron boosters being available early Fall. The current vaccines are 1.5+ years old.

By fall, will these even be effective? I’m not rushing out to boost my family. We’ve all had omicron and it wasn’t bad at all. I don’t think boosters are needed for the young and healthy. And I’ve lost trust in the FDA so I’m not convinced these new boosters will be better than what we have now, especially as Covid continues to mutate.

Not only that, what "trials" are being done on the Omicron specific ones. It's like, the admin said "do it" and first we hear to plan on waiting until November and now it's going to be ready in September. What got cut out of the process to speed it up?

FDA's "Future Framework" for covid inoculations will not include any trials. Look it up on their website.

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Anonymous wrote:Homeopathy is b.s.

If you work in a healthcare facility you should know that.

And “b.s.” is often data that hasn’t been adequately assessed.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get how people are saying the vaccines don't work. To prevent infection, yes, but they were intended to stop severe disease and death, and for that they have:

Scroll down to the orange, blue, green bar graph and your mind will be blown. Vaccines work folks:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-state-of-affairs-july-25

The vaccines were not intended only to stop severe disease. They were intended to stop the spread of Covid. Please go back and read the news around the time the vaccines were released. Some examples included Biden and the CDC saying we would not need to mask anymore after being vaccinated. CDC guidance also allowed a person exposed to Covid to avoid quarantine if they were vaccinated.

The rhetoric changed once it became apparent vaccinated people were still getting infected with and spreading Covid. This is one of the reasons so many people are skeptical of the CDC and vaccine manufacturers now. They narrative keeps changing.

Agreed. Can we all just acknowledge that the information we got at first turned out to be wrong and that hurt the CDC's credibility? A lo. I wish people would stop with the mind bending "it was never meant to stop COVID infections," when we clearly were told otherwise. I'm pretty sure my lack of COVID at this point is due to the N95s I had purchased before COVID hit and have used where appropriate since March 2020. And now, they just want people to do their own "personal risk assessment." So I guess we still need to read all the medical journal studies and other jargon.

No way to know for sure. No one in my family has ever worn a n 95, we are not paranoid about covid at all, and 3/5ths of us have never had it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get how people are saying the vaccines don't work. To prevent infection, yes, but they were intended to stop severe disease and death, and for that they have:

Scroll down to the orange, blue, green bar graph and your mind will be blown. Vaccines work folks:

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-state-of-affairs-july-25

The vaccines were not intended only to stop severe disease. They were intended to stop the spread of Covid. Please go back and read the news around the time the vaccines were released. Some examples included Biden and the CDC saying we would not need to mask anymore after being vaccinated. CDC guidance also allowed a person exposed to Covid to avoid quarantine if they were vaccinated.

The rhetoric changed once it became apparent vaccinated people were still getting infected with and spreading Covid. This is one of the reasons so many people are skeptical of the CDC and vaccine manufacturers now. They narrative keeps changing.

Agreed. Can we all just acknowledge that the information we got at first turned out to be wrong and that hurt the CDC's credibility? A lo. I wish people would stop with the mind bending "it was never meant to stop COVID infections," when we clearly were told otherwise. I'm pretty sure my lack of COVID at this point is due to the N95s I had purchased before COVID hit and have used where appropriate since March 2020. And now, they just want people to do their own "personal risk assessment." So I guess we still need to read all the medical journal studies and other jargon.

No way to know for sure. No one in my family has ever worn a n 95, we are not paranoid about covid at all, and 3/5ths of us have never had it.

Yet we have several aquaintances who are rabid rwnjs and 3 out of 4 died from covid in one family and 2 died in the other family we know and the surviving dad has long covid. My bil who was sick died. I detest people who try to imply people were safe running around without masks. You know your case is very unusual.