COVID infection is brutal

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Anonymous wrote:So it's safe to say the vaccines and boosters are worthless, our family got COVID, there was no correlation between sickness and vaccine and booster. The unvaxed memeber was the least sick. Weve been lied to. Class action against phizer

I mean the vaccine worked for the first couple variants. Which actually killed people, omicron isn’t a killer.

The issue is that they no longer work but our govt is so bought out by pharma, they are still being pushed. It’s ridiculous. I can’t believe we are giving these shots to babies, or pushing 4th shots on young healthy adults, requiring boosters for teenagers.

And here are these 4 shot people super miserable, everyone I know who had a recent booster was sicker than me. It makes you think doesn’t it

People who have had 4 shots tend to be older and have more health problems than people who choose to forgo the second booster.

Precisely! Keep going, you are almost there! So therefore, there are people who are fundamentally at-risk and those not at-risk for higher Covid severity and yet this basic fact was downplayed and often completely ignored. The masks, lockdowns, school closures, vax pass, mandates, etc. were sold as a Covid panacea for all as if everyone has the same risk level for a severe outcome and needed to endure these draconian experimental polices. This is malfeasance.

The state of education in this country is alarmingly dismal. No. It was not “sold as a panacea for all.” You didn’t understand the purpose of the policy, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t have one.

The reason we had to slow the spread is because if everyone got infected at once, as can happen with a new virus, it would have completely overrun our health care system and our economy. We wanted to keep hospitals open for the myriad other reasons you need hospitals. So all those measures during the first year pre-vaccine and subsequent surges were absolutely necessary. A small percent of a large number is still a large number. It doesn’t matter if you personally wouldn’t have been deathly ill, the fact that many others would be is significant for institutional reasons.

People we are two years into this thing, why are we still explaining this??? Is everyone so Me First that they simply can’t compute population level policies?

You can understand all this and still take issue with how the measures were implemented.

The arrogance is astounding. It’s like you would go to your surgeon and suggest a different method of operating around your tumor, based on what you feel.

There’s a reason people get PhDs in public health. There are many interconnected parts of the system you don’t see from the perspective of your individual life or social circle. There’s a reason we vote, to get competent governments in place so they can do their jobs and we can do ours. Do you go back to the kitchen in a restaurant and tell them you have a better recipe too? Good lord.

Since kids had to sacrifice a year of their childhood along with compromised educational outcomes via virtual hell for over a year, it was important that adults had to sacrifice by navigating one-way grocery aisles. I could ride your wake in the bread aisle...just as long as we didn't cross paths.

I am sure you would have made better if not perfect decisions on how Covid should have been dealt with through out the pandemic. What dp you think we would we see if we could peek into a world where nothing closed and no one wore a mask and no vaccine was developed?

Who knows. What I do know is that while it was important that some (but not all) kids stayed home for a year, it was equally important that adults had to wear masks on the way to their restaurant table before unmasking the remainder of their visit.

Kids have been back in school longer than they were out. At some point you need to move beyond that. And I say this as a teacher. Quit being a victim because schools closed for a few months.

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Anonymous wrote:So it's safe to say the vaccines and boosters are worthless, our family got COVID, there was no correlation between sickness and vaccine and booster. The unvaxed memeber was the least sick. Weve been lied to. Class action against phizer

I mean the vaccine worked for the first couple variants. Which actually killed people, omicron isn’t a killer.

The issue is that they no longer work but our govt is so bought out by pharma, they are still being pushed. It’s ridiculous. I can’t believe we are giving these shots to babies, or pushing 4th shots on young healthy adults, requiring boosters for teenagers.

And here are these 4 shot people super miserable, everyone I know who had a recent booster was sicker than me. It makes you think doesn’t it

People who have had 4 shots tend to be older and have more health problems than people who choose to forgo the second booster.

Precisely! Keep going, you are almost there! So therefore, there are people who are fundamentally at-risk and those not at-risk for higher Covid severity and yet this basic fact was downplayed and often completely ignored. The masks, lockdowns, school closures, vax pass, mandates, etc. were sold as a Covid panacea for all as if everyone has the same risk level for a severe outcome and needed to endure these draconian experimental polices. This is malfeasance.

The state of education in this country is alarmingly dismal. No. It was not “sold as a panacea for all.” You didn’t understand the purpose of the policy, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t have one.

The reason we had to slow the spread is because if everyone got infected at once, as can happen with a new virus, it would have completely overrun our health care system and our economy. We wanted to keep hospitals open for the myriad other reasons you need hospitals. So all those measures during the first year pre-vaccine and subsequent surges were absolutely necessary. A small percent of a large number is still a large number. It doesn’t matter if you personally wouldn’t have been deathly ill, the fact that many others would be is significant for institutional reasons.

People we are two years into this thing, why are we still explaining this??? Is everyone so Me First that they simply can’t compute population level policies?

You can understand all this and still take issue with how the measures were implemented.

The arrogance is astounding. It’s like you would go to your surgeon and suggest a different method of operating around your tumor, based on what you feel.

There’s a reason people get PhDs in public health. There are many interconnected parts of the system you don’t see from the perspective of your individual life or social circle. There’s a reason we vote, to get competent governments in place so they can do their jobs and we can do ours. Do you go back to the kitchen in a restaurant and tell them you have a better recipe too? Good lord.

Since kids had to sacrifice a year of their childhood along with compromised educational outcomes via virtual hell for over a year, it was important that adults had to sacrifice by navigating one-way grocery aisles. I could ride your wake in the bread aisle...just as long as we didn't cross paths.

I am sure you would have made better if not perfect decisions on how Covid should have been dealt with through out the pandemic. What dp you think we would we see if we could peek into a world where nothing closed and no one wore a mask and no vaccine was developed?

Who knows. What I do know is that while it was important that some (but not all) kids stayed home for a year, it was equally important that adults had to wear masks on the way to their restaurant table before unmasking the remainder of their visit.

Kids have been back in school longer than they were out. At some point you need to move beyond that. And I say this as a teacher. Quit being a victim because schools closed for a few months.

Sure, schools (from the 70's and 80's) even set an example for public health policy. That's how elevators were kept safe. Signs asked occupants to do "nose and toes" in the corners.

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccines work. A vaccine only strategy was NEVER going to work, as the virus mutates and we are providing it with a huge reserve of hosts by allowing it to spread unchecked. At this rate, we will never be done with COVID. This is the fault of everyone who wouldn’t tolerate social distancing, masking, and avoiding crowded indoor spaces. The waves are getting closer and closer together. Remember last summer, before delta, when cases were so low? It hasn’t been like that since. People are too selfish to care and as a result, they are shooting themselves in the foot. I hate this new half life we all live and I am so resentful.

Waves aren’t getting closer together and no country has managed to keep covid from circulating, masks or no masks. You are choosing to live a “half life” if that’s what you are doing at this point in the pandemic.

Sure, the people with multiple reinfections, long COVID, cancelled vacations, and chronic fatigue are living such full lives. I should really join them, all for the privilege of sitting in an Applebees. The waves absolutely are getting closer together and our COVID response is among the worst in the world. Our per capita death rate reflects this.

Here we go with the long covid stuff again. Look, if you want to stay inside for the rest of your life so you don't lose your smell or feel tired for a month or two, that's your choice. But most people have decided that the small risk of some lingering viral symptoms (and infinitesimally small risk of anything "disabling") is not worth the vast reduction in quality of life necessary to completely avoid covid.

DP here-you are ridiculous. You can still fully live your life and yet also take precautions.

If you are "full living life" in 2022, you will get covid. It's that contagious. End of story.

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Anonymous wrote:So it's safe to say the vaccines and boosters are worthless, our family got COVID, there was no correlation between sickness and vaccine and booster. The unvaxed memeber was the least sick. Weve been lied to. Class action against phizer

I mean the vaccine worked for the first couple variants. Which actually killed people, omicron isn’t a killer.

The issue is that they no longer work but our govt is so bought out by pharma, they are still being pushed. It’s ridiculous. I can’t believe we are giving these shots to babies, or pushing 4th shots on young healthy adults, requiring boosters for teenagers.

And here are these 4 shot people super miserable, everyone I know who had a recent booster was sicker than me. It makes you think doesn’t it

People who have had 4 shots tend to be older and have more health problems than people who choose to forgo the second booster.

Precisely! Keep going, you are almost there! So therefore, there are people who are fundamentally at-risk and those not at-risk for higher Covid severity and yet this basic fact was downplayed and often completely ignored. The masks, lockdowns, school closures, vax pass, mandates, etc. were sold as a Covid panacea for all as if everyone has the same risk level for a severe outcome and needed to endure these draconian experimental polices. This is malfeasance.

The state of education in this country is alarmingly dismal. No. It was not “sold as a panacea for all.” You didn’t understand the purpose of the policy, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t have one.

The reason we had to slow the spread is because if everyone got infected at once, as can happen with a new virus, it would have completely overrun our health care system and our economy. We wanted to keep hospitals open for the myriad other reasons you need hospitals. So all those measures during the first year pre-vaccine and subsequent surges were absolutely necessary. A small percent of a large number is still a large number. It doesn’t matter if you personally wouldn’t have been deathly ill, the fact that many others would be is significant for institutional reasons.

People we are two years into this thing, why are we still explaining this??? Is everyone so Me First that they simply can’t compute population level policies?

You can understand all this and still take issue with how the measures were implemented.

The arrogance is astounding. It’s like you would go to your surgeon and suggest a different method of operating around your tumor, based on what you feel.

There’s a reason people get PhDs in public health. There are many interconnected parts of the system you don’t see from the perspective of your individual life or social circle. There’s a reason we vote, to get competent governments in place so they can do their jobs and we can do ours. Do you go back to the kitchen in a restaurant and tell them you have a better recipe too? Good lord.

All of the PhDs in public health in Europe and Scandinavia didn't see a need to shut down schools. Our school doors were shut for the 20-21 school year the very minute Betsy DeVos opened her mouth, because decisions in the US were made based on politics, not science.

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Anonymous wrote:So it's safe to say the vaccines and boosters are worthless, our family got COVID, there was no correlation between sickness and vaccine and booster. The unvaxed memeber was the least sick. Weve been lied to. Class action against phizer

I mean the vaccine worked for the first couple variants. Which actually killed people, omicron isn’t a killer.

The issue is that they no longer work but our govt is so bought out by pharma, they are still being pushed. It’s ridiculous. I can’t believe we are giving these shots to babies, or pushing 4th shots on young healthy adults, requiring boosters for teenagers.

And here are these 4 shot people super miserable, everyone I know who had a recent booster was sicker than me. It makes you think doesn’t it

People who have had 4 shots tend to be older and have more health problems than people who choose to forgo the second booster.

Precisely! Keep going, you are almost there! So therefore, there are people who are fundamentally at-risk and those not at-risk for higher Covid severity and yet this basic fact was downplayed and often completely ignored. The masks, lockdowns, school closures, vax pass, mandates, etc. were sold as a Covid panacea for all as if everyone has the same risk level for a severe outcome and needed to endure these draconian experimental polices. This is malfeasance.

The state of education in this country is alarmingly dismal. No. It was not “sold as a panacea for all.” You didn’t understand the purpose of the policy, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t have one.

The reason we had to slow the spread is because if everyone got infected at once, as can happen with a new virus, it would have completely overrun our health care system and our economy. We wanted to keep hospitals open for the myriad other reasons you need hospitals. So all those measures during the first year pre-vaccine and subsequent surges were absolutely necessary. A small percent of a large number is still a large number. It doesn’t matter if you personally wouldn’t have been deathly ill, the fact that many others would be is significant for institutional reasons.

People we are two years into this thing, why are we still explaining this??? Is everyone so Me First that they simply can’t compute population level policies?

You can understand all this and still take issue with how the measures were implemented.

The arrogance is astounding. It’s like you would go to your surgeon and suggest a different method of operating around your tumor, based on what you feel.

There’s a reason people get PhDs in public health. There are many interconnected parts of the system you don’t see from the perspective of your individual life or social circle. There’s a reason we vote, to get competent governments in place so they can do their jobs and we can do ours. Do you go back to the kitchen in a restaurant and tell them you have a better recipe too? Good lord.

Since kids had to sacrifice a year of their childhood along with compromised educational outcomes via virtual hell for over a year, it was important that adults had to sacrifice by navigating one-way grocery aisles. I could ride your wake in the bread aisle...just as long as we didn't cross paths.

I am sure you would have made better if not perfect decisions on how Covid should have been dealt with through out the pandemic. What dp you think we would we see if we could peek into a world where nothing closed and no one wore a mask and no vaccine was developed?

Who knows. What I do know is that while it was important that some (but not all) kids stayed home for a year, it was equally important that adults had to wear masks on the way to their restaurant table before unmasking the remainder of their visit.

Kids have been back in school longer than they were out. At some point you need to move beyond that. And I say this as a teacher. Quit being a victim because schools closed for a few months.

I guess you don't teach math? Because they were closed for over a year where I live.

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccines work. A vaccine only strategy was NEVER going to work, as the virus mutates and we are providing it with a huge reserve of hosts by allowing it to spread unchecked. At this rate, we will never be done with COVID. This is the fault of everyone who wouldn’t tolerate social distancing, masking, and avoiding crowded indoor spaces. The waves are getting closer and closer together. Remember last summer, before delta, when cases were so low? It hasn’t been like that since. People are too selfish to care and as a result, they are shooting themselves in the foot. I hate this new half life we all live and I am so resentful.

Waves aren’t getting closer together and no country has managed to keep covid from circulating, masks or no masks. You are choosing to live a “half life” if that’s what you are doing at this point in the pandemic.

Sure, the people with multiple reinfections, long COVID, cancelled vacations, and chronic fatigue are living such full lives. I should really join them, all for the privilege of sitting in an Applebees. The waves absolutely are getting closer together and our COVID response is among the worst in the world. Our per capita death rate reflects this.

Here we go with the long covid stuff again. Look, if you want to stay inside for the rest of your life so you don't lose your smell or feel tired for a month or two, that's your choice. But most people have decided that the small risk of some lingering viral symptoms (and infinitesimally small risk of anything "disabling") is not worth the vast reduction in quality of life necessary to completely avoid covid.

NP to this thread. Here we go with the long covid minimizing again.
Long-covid is a real threat to the economic well-being of our country.
The risk of disability is emphatically not "infinitesimally small".
We all wish it were.

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I recommend pursuing Paxlovid. There are many conditions that are qualifying and it is more readily dispensed currently. I had a fairly mild case of Covid and Paxlovid eliminated all symptoms within hours. No rebound issues. Doc also recommended mucinex.

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Anonymous wrote:So it's safe to say the vaccines and boosters are worthless, our family got COVID, there was no correlation between sickness and vaccine and booster. The unvaxed memeber was the least sick. Weve been lied to. Class action against phizer

I mean the vaccine worked for the first couple variants. Which actually killed people, omicron isn’t a killer.

The issue is that they no longer work but our govt is so bought out by pharma, they are still being pushed. It’s ridiculous. I can’t believe we are giving these shots to babies, or pushing 4th shots on young healthy adults, requiring boosters for teenagers.

And here are these 4 shot people super miserable, everyone I know who had a recent booster was sicker than me. It makes you think doesn’t it

People who have had 4 shots tend to be older and have more health problems than people who choose to forgo the second booster.

Precisely! Keep going, you are almost there! So therefore, there are people who are fundamentally at-risk and those not at-risk for higher Covid severity and yet this basic fact was downplayed and often completely ignored. The masks, lockdowns, school closures, vax pass, mandates, etc. were sold as a Covid panacea for all as if everyone has the same risk level for a severe outcome and needed to endure these draconian experimental polices. This is malfeasance.

The state of education in this country is alarmingly dismal. No. It was not “sold as a panacea for all.” You didn’t understand the purpose of the policy, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t have one.

The reason we had to slow the spread is because if everyone got infected at once, as can happen with a new virus, it would have completely overrun our health care system and our economy. We wanted to keep hospitals open for the myriad other reasons you need hospitals. So all those measures during the first year pre-vaccine and subsequent surges were absolutely necessary. A small percent of a large number is still a large number. It doesn’t matter if you personally wouldn’t have been deathly ill, the fact that many others would be is significant for institutional reasons.

People we are two years into this thing, why are we still explaining this??? Is everyone so Me First that they simply can’t compute population level policies?

You can understand all this and still take issue with how the measures were implemented.

The arrogance is astounding. It’s like you would go to your surgeon and suggest a different method of operating around your tumor, based on what you feel.

There’s a reason people get PhDs in public health. There are many interconnected parts of the system you don’t see from the perspective of your individual life or social circle. There’s a reason we vote, to get competent governments in place so they can do their jobs and we can do ours. Do you go back to the kitchen in a restaurant and tell them you have a better recipe too? Good lord.

Yes! Yes. A patient absolutely should ask questions, get second opinions, discuss pros and cons, possible side effects, likely outcomes of various courses of treatment. Apply critical thought.

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Anonymous wrote:So it's safe to say the vaccines and boosters are worthless, our family got COVID, there was no correlation between sickness and vaccine and booster. The unvaxed memeber was the least sick. Weve been lied to. Class action against phizer

Of COURSE you can’t spell Pfizer, and no, Autocorrect did not change it to “phizer.”

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Anonymous wrote:So it's safe to say the vaccines and boosters are worthless, our family got COVID, there was no correlation between sickness and vaccine and booster. The unvaxed memeber was the least sick. Weve been lied to. Class action against phizer

I mean the vaccine worked for the first couple variants. Which actually killed people, omicron isn’t a killer.

The issue is that they no longer work but our govt is so bought out by pharma, they are still being pushed. It’s ridiculous. I can’t believe we are giving these shots to babies, or pushing 4th shots on young healthy adults, requiring boosters for teenagers.

And here are these 4 shot people super miserable, everyone I know who had a recent booster was sicker than me. It makes you think doesn’t it

People who have had 4 shots tend to be older and have more health problems than people who choose to forgo the second booster.

Precisely! Keep going, you are almost there! So therefore, there are people who are fundamentally at-risk and those not at-risk for higher Covid severity and yet this basic fact was downplayed and often completely ignored. The masks, lockdowns, school closures, vax pass, mandates, etc. were sold as a Covid panacea for all as if everyone has the same risk level for a severe outcome and needed to endure these draconian experimental polices. This is malfeasance.

Yawn. Get a new song. This one is stupid and stale.

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Anonymous wrote:Homeopathy is b.s.

If you work in a healthcare facility you should know that.

This.

+1,000. Anti-scientific woo.

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Anonymous wrote:Boost your immunity, people.

There’s no such thing.

Of course personal immunity is vital. Everyone knows that.

Once again for the slow people in the back, there is no such thing as “boosting your immune system.” It’s nonsense peddled to sell overpriced “supplements.” Eat healthy, get exercise and good sleep to not DEPLETE your existing immune system, but “boosting” it does not exist.

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Anonymous wrote:So it's safe to say the vaccines and boosters are worthless, our family got COVID, there was no correlation between sickness and vaccine and booster. The unvaxed memeber was the least sick. Weve been lied to. Class action against phizer

Sample size of 4, reported anonymously on a moms forum is surely the kind of scientific rigor that will hold up in court!

Do you actually disagree though? Pushing boosters with almost zero efficacy on healthy, young people seems almost criminal at this point.

Which is why nobody is actually pushing the currently available boosters right now. Biden admin didn’t approve them widely because they know they aren’t effective against this strain and are hoping the new ones later this fall will be.

Each camp my teenage kid attended or worked at required boosters.

Yes, provare businesses, whom you chose to patronize, made their own rules. Film at 11.

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Anonymous wrote:answering your question:

try arnica, baptisia tinctoria, arsenic, hep sulph and nat sulph in 30 2/3 times a day for a week. Also Diphtheria, bacilinum, influenzium also x30 in a mix once a day. I got most of these from Whole Foods and amazon had the rest. Hope you feel better!

Abject nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccines work. A vaccine only strategy was NEVER going to work, as the virus mutates and we are providing it with a huge reserve of hosts by allowing it to spread unchecked. At this rate, we will never be done with COVID. This is the fault of everyone who wouldn’t tolerate social distancing, masking, and avoiding crowded indoor spaces. The waves are getting closer and closer together. Remember last summer, before delta, when cases were so low? It hasn’t been like that since. People are too selfish to care and as a result, they are shooting themselves in the foot. I hate this new half life we all live and I am so resentful.

Waves aren’t getting closer together and no country has managed to keep covid from circulating, masks or no masks. You are choosing to live a “half life” if that’s what you are doing at this point in the pandemic.

Sure, the people with multiple reinfections, long COVID, cancelled vacations, and chronic fatigue are living such full lives. I should really join them, all for the privilege of sitting in an Applebees. The waves absolutely are getting closer together and our COVID response is among the worst in the world. Our per capita death rate reflects this.

Here we go with the long covid stuff again. Look, if you want to stay inside for the rest of your life so you don't lose your smell or feel tired for a month or two, that's your choice. But most people have decided that the small risk of some lingering viral symptoms (and infinitesimally small risk of anything "disabling") is not worth the vast reduction in quality of life necessary to completely avoid covid.

NP to this thread. Here we go with the long covid minimizing again.
Long-covid is a real threat to the economic well-being of our country.
The risk of disability is emphatically not "infinitesimally small".
We all wish it were.

Also NP to this thread. Long haul covid has simply been rebranded from "post viral syndrome" which can occur after other viral infections as well. Most of these cases do eventually resolve. The breathless hysteria that this virus is somehow different than others we have been living with for centuries is really something.