For all the parents complaining that the admissions process is rigged against their kids--

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

WELL SAID!!!

You all have *no* idea how competitive college admissions works. That your kid has a perfect GPA, or a perfect SAT/ACT, makes them indistinguishable from literally 10X the number of applicants that the particular competitive school can admit. And you all think that the answer is to stack up a variety of variegated ECs that tell no coherent story except that they work really, really hard to rack up credentials. And every parent of that kid is telling them that it's racism that didn't get them admitted.

If you want your DC to get considered seriously in the admissions sweepstakes, you might consider (i) ways in which your child is different from thousands of high-stat, generally applicable ECs, from this area; and (ii) how their essay and ECs tells a persuasive and evidence-backed story about why they want to attend that particular school for that particular major. You parents complaining over and over about racial discrimination have no, no idea how the top schools admit students. You want your Asian kid to get admitted to a top school? Have them apply as an English major, after years of summer writing programs, creative writing awards, volunteering to help disavantaged students with writing, etc. Plus an amazing essay about that experience.

And, you have no idea what other kids' application packages look like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

WELL SAID!!!

You all have *no* idea how competitive college admissions works. That your kid has a perfect GPA, or a perfect SAT/ACT, makes them indistinguishable from literally 10X the number of applicants that the particular competitive school can admit. And you all think that the answer is to stack up a variety of variegated ECs that tell no coherent story except that they work really, really hard to rack up credentials. And every parent of that kid is telling them that it's racism that didn't get them admitted.

If you want your DC to get considered seriously in the admissions sweepstakes, you might consider (i) ways in which your child is different from thousands of high-stat, generally applicable ECs, from this area; and (ii) how their essay and ECs tells a persuasive and evidence-backed story about why they want to attend that particular school for that particular major. You parents complaining over and over about racial discrimination have no, no idea how the top schools admit students. You want your Asian kid to get admitted to a top school? Have them apply as an English major, after years of summer writing programs, creative writing awards, volunteering to help disavantaged students with writing, etc. Plus an amazing essay about that experience.

And, you have no idea what other kids' application packages look like.

+1

[Anonymous]

Just because your child checks all the boxes doesn’t mean they should be admitted. The boxes only get you considered.

Imagine if you were a recruiter for a very coveted position and 100 Ivy-league graduates responded. They may all be qualified, but you only have one position. Since they all have similar-caliber educational backgrounds, other qualifications and personal characteristics will determine who gets hired. Whomever you choose, 99 applicants will be mad, irritated, and frustrated. But just because 99 qualified applicants were not chosen is no indication of a systematic selection problem.

Again, qualified does not equal admission.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are visiting colleges now with our DCs. According to DCUM, we should be seeing plenty of URM « black boys » on these campuses. We simply are not. But do carry on lamenting how these Black boys are stealing your white and Asian kids’ spots at Ivy schools and How life will swing the pendulum back and will be fair again. 😏

True.

We've been on tours of the T20 schools. Across 5-10 schools, we've seen very very few URMs and almost no black males.

Most of the people on DCUM college threads are astute. They look at Common Data Sets and know the demographic stats.

I love how no one on here is acknowledging this. Again, the URM kids are "stealing" all the spots at these elite schools from more deserving white and asian kids, but the vast majority of the demographic on these campuses (white and Asian), are the the ones who actually deserve to be there, correct? How do parents know that it wasn't one of these kids who stole their child's spot? How do they know that legacy wasn't a factor, or money, or influence, or cheating, or lying? Nope, its those CLEARLY unqualified blacks and Hispanics.

This exactly. Just look at demographics data for all the Ivy League schools and you will see that the VAST majority of the student body at these schools is White and Asian. These DCUM complainers make it sound like there are few white/Asian kids at top schools…which is the opposite of reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are visiting colleges now with our DCs. According to DCUM, we should be seeing plenty of URM « black boys » on these campuses. We simply are not. But do carry on lamenting how these Black boys are stealing your white and Asian kids’ spots at Ivy schools and How life will swing the pendulum back and will be fair again. 😏

True.

We've been on tours of the T20 schools. Across 5-10 schools, we've seen very very few URMs and almost no black males.

Most of the people on DCUM college threads are astute. They look at Common Data Sets and know the demographic stats.

I love how no one on here is acknowledging this. Again, the URM kids are "stealing" all the spots at these elite schools from more deserving white and asian kids, but the vast majority of the demographic on these campuses (white and Asian), are the the ones who actually deserve to be there, correct? How do parents know that it wasn't one of these kids who stole their child's spot? How do they know that legacy wasn't a factor, or money, or influence, or cheating, or lying? Nope, its those CLEARLY unqualified blacks and Hispanics.

No one is acknowledging this because this is not a position that people are taking. You are making up a strawman. Second, your anecdotes are meaningless against real actual data that's been published. It's undisputed fact that schools are discriminating against Asians in favor of other student demographics.

BS. Have you looked at the demographic data of these schools? They are overwhelmingly white and Asian!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are visiting colleges now with our DCs. According to DCUM, we should be seeing plenty of URM « black boys » on these campuses. We simply are not. But do carry on lamenting how these Black boys are stealing your white and Asian kids’ spots at Ivy schools and How life will swing the pendulum back and will be fair again. 😏

True.

We've been on tours of the T20 schools. Across 5-10 schools, we've seen very very few URMs and almost no black males.

Most of the people on DCUM college threads are astute. They look at Common Data Sets and know the demographic stats.

I love how no one on here is acknowledging this. Again, the URM kids are "stealing" all the spots at these elite schools from more deserving white and asian kids, but the vast majority of the demographic on these campuses (white and Asian), are the the ones who actually deserve to be there, correct? How do parents know that it wasn't one of these kids who stole their child's spot? How do they know that legacy wasn't a factor, or money, or influence, or cheating, or lying? Nope, its those CLEARLY unqualified blacks and Hispanics.

This exactly. Just look at demographics data for all the Ivy League schools and you will see that the VAST majority of the student body at these schools is White and Asian. These DCUM complainers make it sound like there are few white/Asian kids at top schools…which is the opposite of reality.

Yep. Even look at the class of 2026 at (insert elite school) Instagram accounts. They’re 100% filled with white, Asian, and Middle Eastern kids from UMC suburban public’s & privates surrounding Philly, Boston, LA, DC & NYC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We are visiting colleges now with our DCs. According to DCUM, we should be seeing plenty of URM « black boys » on these campuses. We simply are not. But do carry on lamenting how these Black boys are stealing your white and Asian kids’ spots at Ivy schools and How life will swing the pendulum back and will be fair again. 😏

True. We've been on tours of the T20 schools. Across 5-10 schools, we've seen very very few URMs and almost no black males. Most of the people on DCUM college threads are astute. They look at Common Data Sets and know the demographic stats.

This mirrors our experience as well. There just aren't that many black kids either on tours or on campus, especially males. There are a few more Latino kids, but even then, not many. The majority of the students are white and Asian, so much so that my DC now looks at the demographic data on the school's CDS before we visit. Conversely, we were at VT's admitted student/Open House this weekend and the engineering students were overwhelmingly Asian males - like 85%. So, the line that those kids aren't getting accepted or facing discrimination doesn't gel with what we're seeing on the ground or the schools' CDS.

Same. I also think many half-black children / biracial mark themselves as black which makes it looks like the black population is higher than it actually is.

Well, if they look black and are treated as black by society and they have every right to check the black box.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just because your child checks all the boxes doesn’t mean they should be admitted. The boxes only get you considered.

Imagine if you were a recruiter for a very coveted position and 100 Ivy-league graduates responded. They may all be qualified, but you only have one position. Since they all have similar-caliber educational backgrounds, other qualifications and personal characteristics will determine who gets hired. Whomever you choose, 99 applicants will be mad, irritated, and frustrated. But just because 99 qualified applicants were not chosen is no indication of a systematic selection problem.

Again, qualified does not equal admission.

Right. Asian parents, in particular, don’t get this. They seem to think that taking tough courses, getting great grades, and scoring well on tests requires, mandates an acceptance to an Ivy, preferably Harvard. They don’t seem to understand that there are many more qualified applicants than available seats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are visiting colleges now with our DCs. According to DCUM, we should be seeing plenty of URM « black boys » on these campuses. We simply are not. But do carry on lamenting how these Black boys are stealing your white and Asian kids’ spots at Ivy schools and How life will swing the pendulum back and will be fair again. 😏

True.

We've been on tours of the T20 schools. Across 5-10 schools, we've seen very very few URMs and almost no black males.

Most of the people on DCUM college threads are astute. They look at Common Data Sets and know the demographic stats.

I love how no one on here is acknowledging this. Again, the URM kids are "stealing" all the spots at these elite schools from more deserving white and asian kids, but the vast majority of the demographic on these campuses (white and Asian), are the the ones who actually deserve to be there, correct? How do parents know that it wasn't one of these kids who stole their child's spot? How do they know that legacy wasn't a factor, or money, or influence, or cheating, or lying? Nope, its those CLEARLY unqualified blacks and Hispanics.

No one is acknowledging this because this is not a position that people are taking. You are making up a strawman. Second, your anecdotes are meaningless against real actual data that's been published. It's undisputed fact that schools are discriminating against Asians in favor of other student demographics.

Wrong.

https://www.harvard.edu/admissionscase/key-points/

You are literally pointing to Harvard’s self-advocacy to make your point.

+1 Exactly!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We are visiting colleges now with our DCs. According to DCUM, we should be seeing plenty of URM « black boys » on these campuses. We simply are not. But do carry on lamenting how these Black boys are stealing your white and Asian kids’ spots at Ivy schools and How life will swing the pendulum back and will be fair again. 😏

True. We've been on tours of the T20 schools. Across 5-10 schools, we've seen very very few URMs and almost no black males. Most of the people on DCUM college threads are astute. They look at Common Data Sets and know the demographic stats.

This mirrors our experience as well. There just aren't that many black kids either on tours or on campus, especially males. There are a few more Latino kids, but even then, not many. The majority of the students are white and Asian, so much so that my DC now looks at the demographic data on the school's CDS before we visit. Conversely, we were at VT's admitted student/Open House this weekend and the engineering students were overwhelmingly Asian males - like 85%. So, the line that those kids aren't getting accepted or facing discrimination doesn't gel with what we're seeing on the ground or the schools' CDS.

Same. I also think many half-black children / biracial mark themselves as black which makes it looks like the black population is higher than it actually is.

Well, if they look black and are treated as black by society and they have every right to check the black box.

I think a half black student has every right to check the black box even if they don’t look black. WTF. One of my DC’s closer friends is half black. Blond, straight hair, light skin like the mom. Siblings look much more biracial. Grown up very close with their black parent, black cousins, black grandparents. Strongly identifies as black. Of course this kid is black.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is disputing that blacks were historically discriminated against in college admissions. Jews were previously "over-represented" and discriminated against too. Now it is Asians.
Many of us are arguing for race-blind admissions over racial preferences (of any kind).

This is really the final simple point. If we want a race-neutral society, which based on watching my kids grow up in a very multi-cultural environment and seeming to really not distinguish or between races is absolutely doable - I will say this with certainty- my kids have NO racial biases - how amazing is that? It's the adults/society that want to constantly focus on race. Seeing the same URM kid gleefully show up as accepted on every IVY and Tier 1 school tier on college confidential with a 1400 and 3.7 GPA talking about how HARD it is going to be to pick from all the offers! while your kid with a 1580 and 4.4 has been rejected or waitlisted from everything except safeties, it fuels racial discord because the solution to past racism (in many people's mind) is not to implement new racist polices to manipulate outcomes. I know a lot of URM do support this - they see it as they are "due" but it ultimately moves us away from the goal of being race neutral.

In addition, we should similarly do away with sexual orientation in college admissions. What business is it of any organization the private sexual lives of people - it's so absurd, I cannot believe it has become such an open talking point. Let's class up, America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is disputing that blacks were historically discriminated against in college admissions. Jews were previously "over-represented" and discriminated against too. Now it is Asians.
Many of us are arguing for race-blind admissions over racial preferences (of any kind).

This is really the final simple point. If we want a race-neutral society, which based on watching my kids grow up in a very multi-cultural environment and seeming to really not distinguish or between races is absolutely doable - I will say this with certainty- my kids have NO racial biases - how amazing is that? It's the adults/society that want to constantly focus on race. Seeing the same URM kid gleefully show up as accepted on every IVY and Tier 1 school tier on college confidential with a 1400 and 3.7 GPA talking about how HARD it is going to be to pick from all the offers! while your kid with a 1580 and 4.4 has been rejected or waitlisted from everything except safeties, it fuels racial discord because the solution to past racism (in many people's mind) is not to implement new racist polices to manipulate outcomes. I know a lot of URM do support this - they see it as they are "due" but it ultimately moves us away from the goal of being race neutral.

In addition, we should similarly do away with sexual orientation in college admissions. What business is it of any organization the private sexual lives of people - it's so absurd, I cannot believe it has become such an open talking point. Let's class up, America.

If the highest standardized test school is of paramount importance to you, choose a college which also gives it paramount importance. That would be a good match for your student.

[Anonymous]

The list of excellent schools has slowly but surely grown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is disputing that blacks were historically discriminated against in college admissions. Jews were previously "over-represented" and discriminated against too. Now it is Asians.
Many of us are arguing for race-blind admissions over racial preferences (of any kind).

This is really the final simple point. If we want a race-neutral society, which based on watching my kids grow up in a very multi-cultural environment and seeming to really not distinguish or between races is absolutely doable - I will say this with certainty- my kids have NO racial biases - how amazing is that? It's the adults/society that want to constantly focus on race. Seeing the same URM kid gleefully show up as accepted on every IVY and Tier 1 school tier on college confidential with a 1400 and 3.7 GPA talking about how HARD it is going to be to pick from all the offers! while your kid with a 1580 and 4.4 has been rejected or waitlisted from everything except safeties, it fuels racial discord because the solution to past racism (in many people's mind) is not to implement new racist polices to manipulate outcomes. I know a lot of URM do support this - they see it as they are "due" but it ultimately moves us away from the goal of being race neutral.

In addition, we should similarly do away with sexual orientation in college admissions. What business is it of any organization the private sexual lives of people - it's so absurd, I cannot believe it has become such an open talking point. Let's class up, America.

Diversity in higher institutions of learning is good.

Colleges want diversity on campus.

There are many bright applicants across all demographics.

There are more applicants than spots. Some will get in. Some will not.

Colleges are the gatekeepers and will decide who they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is disputing that blacks were historically discriminated against in college admissions. Jews were previously "over-represented" and discriminated against too. Now it is Asians.
Many of us are arguing for race-blind admissions over racial preferences (of any kind).

This is really the final simple point. If we want a race-neutral society, which based on watching my kids grow up in a very multi-cultural environment and seeming to really not distinguish or between races is absolutely doable - I will say this with certainty- my kids have NO racial biases - how amazing is that? It's the adults/society that want to constantly focus on race. Seeing the same URM kid gleefully show up as accepted on every IVY and Tier 1 school tier on college confidential with a 1400 and 3.7 GPA talking about how HARD it is going to be to pick from all the offers! while your kid with a 1580 and 4.4 has been rejected or waitlisted from everything except safeties, it fuels racial discord because the solution to past racism (in many people's mind) is not to implement new racist polices to manipulate outcomes. I know a lot of URM do support this - they see it as they are "due" but it ultimately moves us away from the goal of being race neutral.

In addition, we should similarly do away with sexual orientation in college admissions. What business is it of any organization the private sexual lives of people - it's so absurd, I cannot believe it has become such an open talking point. Let's class up, America.

Diversity in higher institutions of learning is good.

Colleges want diversity on campus.

There are many bright applicants across all demographics.

There are more applicants than spots. Some will get in. Some will not.

Colleges are the gatekeepers and will decide who they want.

Forcing you to mark your race and using it is racism.