Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming

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Anonymous wrote:JFC so many of you Do Not Get It.

VACCINES ALONE AREN'T ENOUGH.

MASKS ALONE AREN'T ENOUGH.

LIMITING GATHERINGS ALONE ISN'T ENOUGH.

We need a MULTILAYERED approach to get rid of this GD disease for good. Vaccines/masks/limiting gatherings all decrease transmission but do not eliminate them entirely. Vaccine passports serve two purposes - keeping people less likely to be safe out of public spaces, AND ALSO encouraging people to get vaccinated so they can go places.

Schools have had vaccine mandates FOREVER. Why the F is this one different? It's just adding one more to the list!

And while we're at it, while I hate folks who are active anti-vaxxers, we have NOT done enough to make vaccines accessible to those who need them most. There is a HUGE gulf between active anti-vaxxers and folks who haven't been able to get one yet. They should be available as walk-ins EVERYWHERE, no online-only booking systems, no forms if you don't want to. There should be a county service you can call (not only book online) and someone will come to your house to vaccinate you if you are disabled. Paid time off to get them, and paid time off for recovery if you have a bad reaction. Shoot just effing pay people to get them! These policies would drastically reduce disparities in vaccine rates among different racial groups and financial classes. And if you scoff at these ideas and think "everybody has internet access/paid time off, it's already easy enough" wow do you need to look outside your effing bubble.

Or, you know, you can keep on believing that seat belts are good enough so you don't need to stop for lights any more. Problem is, you risk the rest of us, too, when you do this.

No, actually, you just don’t get it, PP.

You cannot ‘get rid of’ a virus. Masks, vaccines, social distancing might help. But Covid is it going anywhere. And that is why people should be allowed to make choices regarding their own health care.

Look at other places that have implemented a ridiculous vaccine passport. Guess what? They still have Covid.

Do what works for you, but don’t fool yourself that we’re going to get rid of Covid.

Yes, actually, you can get rid of a disease. We did it with polio. And note that polio's overwhelmingly predominant symptom was diarrhea. We don't remember polio nowadays, only longpolio. In 70% of cases, polio is asymptomatic. In 29.5%, it presents as diarrhea, GI distress. Only 0.5% of cases present with neurological symptoms. For the vast vast majority of people who got a disease which left hundreds of thousands disabled for the rest of their lives, polio was a few days of having the shits. If that.

So when you say that we can't get rid of COVID and you're just going to live your life, recognize that more people WILL die, and WILL become permanently disabled, due directly to those choices. (Estimates are that 30%+ of COVID cases, *even asymptomatic ones* will result in long COVID.)

This is when I know I'm not talking to a normal person.

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Anonymous wrote:I am vaccinated and boostered and I wear a mask but something about a vaccine passport, showing proof, doesn’t sit well with me. How will it be enforced? Is my passport going to be scanned at businesses? Will this information be reported back to a government entity? Is it just theater?

This. And it's just another way to hurt businesses. Let them police their own business the way they want.

Elrich thinks this won’t hurt businesses because a vaccinated person won’t leave MoCo to shop elsewhere. He is SO wrong.

I am so against this. I will absolutely drive up to Frederick for restaurants/bars. Already, they have no mask mandate. I’m vaccinated, but he shouldn’t underestimate how much people will dislike this kind of crazy BS.

Actually I know a lot of people myself included who think the opposite. We've stopped going to Frederick stores and restaurants because barely anyone in these establishments, including workers wear masks. I was just at Weis and Home Goods at Mt. Airy 3 weeks ago and I was seriously uncomfortable.

Well, that’s just weird. Are you vaccinated? Did you wear a mask?

Why do you need to control what everyone else is doing? Even if every other person in that Home Goods had Covid, you are covered because you are masked and vaccinated.

You can’t control what other people do. You can only control your own behavior and how you react.

You are correct about being in control. As I've said, I decided to no longer patronize these establishments and others that clearly lack concern about this virus. There's also something very off-putting about their customers as they walk around indoors maskless without a care in the world. I'm only 15 minutes away from Frederick but it feels like thousands of miles away when I'm there.

This doesn’t even make any sense.

You are uncomfortable with people being unmasked in the Frederick Home Goods. Where you are not very likely to be in contact with another customer, or even the cashier for more than 5 minutes.

But, you are comfortable patronizing a Montgomery County restaurant with tons of unmasked people, simply because you know those people are vaccinated.

Despite the fact that it is very clear that vaccinated people can vary and transmit Covid.

Your logic is vey fuzzy. I could understand if you supported a mask mandate, but MoCo already has that.

You don't make any sense. There IS a mask mandate in MoCo. None in Frederick. In addition, the customers and workers at the Frederick establishments rarely wear masks. Yes, I'm uncomfortable with that and will not support them. What's confusing?

What’s confusing is that your logic is incredibly flawed.

Your risk of catching Covid while dining indoors with 50 other vaccinated individuals is much greater than your risk of catching Covid in the Frederick Home Goods, while masked, regardless of whether those individuals are vaccinated or not.

Where did you get the idea that I am hopping around MoCo eating at restaurants though? All I said was that I stopped supporting Frederick establishments (stores and restaurants) because of their lax policies regarding COVID safety and my uneasiness about the customers going around unmasked. But if I were to go to a restaurant, yes I would feel safer going to one in MoCo vs Frederick.

When MoCo requires a vaccine passport, will you start dining in restaurants in MoCo?

I already dine at MoCo restaurants although much less these days because of the rising cases. Because of the rising cases, even more reason to support places that require masking over those that don't. Plus having a passport provides the added assurance that there's likely a smaller number of customers sick with covid than at a place with no vaccine requirements. Of course there are breakthrough cases, but the majority of people getting infected are unvaccinated, which means they are still the ones doing most of the spreading. My sister works at a DC hospital and the large majority of the covid patients are unvaxxed including those who show up with mild symptoms.

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Anonymous wrote:I am vaccinated and boostered and I wear a mask but something about a vaccine passport, showing proof, doesn’t sit well with me. How will it be enforced? Is my passport going to be scanned at businesses? Will this information be reported back to a government entity? Is it just theater?

This. And it's just another way to hurt businesses. Let them police their own business the way they want.

Elrich thinks this won’t hurt businesses because a vaccinated person won’t leave MoCo to shop elsewhere. He is SO wrong.

I am so against this. I will absolutely drive up to Frederick for restaurants/bars. Already, they have no mask mandate. I’m vaccinated, but he shouldn’t underestimate how much people will dislike this kind of crazy BS.

Actually I know a lot of people myself included who think the opposite. We've stopped going to Frederick stores and restaurants because barely anyone in these establishments, including workers wear masks. I was just at Weis and Home Goods at Mt. Airy 3 weeks ago and I was seriously uncomfortable.

Well, that’s just weird. Are you vaccinated? Did you wear a mask?

Why do you need to control what everyone else is doing? Even if every other person in that Home Goods had Covid, you are covered because you are masked and vaccinated.

You can’t control what other people do. You can only control your own behavior and how you react.

You are correct about being in control. As I've said, I decided to no longer patronize these establishments and others that clearly lack concern about this virus. There's also something very off-putting about their customers as they walk around indoors maskless without a care in the world. I'm only 15 minutes away from Frederick but it feels like thousands of miles away when I'm there.

This doesn’t even make any sense.

You are uncomfortable with people being unmasked in the Frederick Home Goods. Where you are not very likely to be in contact with another customer, or even the cashier for more than 5 minutes.

But, you are comfortable patronizing a Montgomery County restaurant with tons of unmasked people, simply because you know those people are vaccinated.

Despite the fact that it is very clear that vaccinated people can vary and transmit Covid.

Your logic is vey fuzzy. I could understand if you supported a mask mandate, but MoCo already has that.

You don't make any sense. There IS a mask mandate in MoCo. None in Frederick. In addition, the customers and workers at the Frederick establishments rarely wear masks. Yes, I'm uncomfortable with that and will not support them. What's confusing?

What’s confusing is that your logic is incredibly flawed.

Your risk of catching Covid while dining indoors with 50 other vaccinated individuals is much greater than your risk of catching Covid in the Frederick Home Goods, while masked, regardless of whether those individuals are vaccinated or not.

Where did you get the idea that I am hopping around MoCo eating at restaurants though? All I said was that I stopped supporting Frederick establishments (stores and restaurants) because of their lax policies regarding COVID safety and my uneasiness about the customers going around unmasked. But if I were to go to a restaurant, yes I would feel safer going to one in MoCo vs Frederick.

When MoCo requires a vaccine passport, will you start dining in restaurants in MoCo?

I already dine at MoCo restaurants although much less these days because of the rising cases. Because of the rising cases, even more reason to support places that require masking over those that don't. Plus having a passport provides the added assurance that there's likely a smaller number of customers sick with covid than at a place with no vaccine requirements. Of course there are breakthrough cases, but the majority of people getting infected are unvaccinated, which means they are still the ones doing most of the spreading. My sister works at a DC hospital and the large majority of the covid patients are unvaxxed including those who show up with mild symptoms.

You can catch and transmit Covid even when you are vaccinated.

How does a vaccine passport change that?

Vaccines mean that you are less likely to end up in the hospital or dead. They protect you. Vaccines do not protect others.

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Anonymous wrote:I am vaccinated and boostered and I wear a mask but something about a vaccine passport, showing proof, doesn’t sit well with me. How will it be enforced? Is my passport going to be scanned at businesses? Will this information be reported back to a government entity? Is it just theater?

This. And it's just another way to hurt businesses. Let them police their own business the way they want.

Elrich thinks this won’t hurt businesses because a vaccinated person won’t leave MoCo to shop elsewhere. He is SO wrong.

I am so against this. I will absolutely drive up to Frederick for restaurants/bars. Already, they have no mask mandate. I’m vaccinated, but he shouldn’t underestimate how much people will dislike this kind of crazy BS.

Actually I know a lot of people myself included who think the opposite. We've stopped going to Frederick stores and restaurants because barely anyone in these establishments, including workers wear masks. I was just at Weis and Home Goods at Mt. Airy 3 weeks ago and I was seriously uncomfortable.

Well, that’s just weird. Are you vaccinated? Did you wear a mask?

Why do you need to control what everyone else is doing? Even if every other person in that Home Goods had Covid, you are covered because you are masked and vaccinated.

You can’t control what other people do. You can only control your own behavior and how you react.

You are correct about being in control. As I've said, I decided to no longer patronize these establishments and others that clearly lack concern about this virus. There's also something very off-putting about their customers as they walk around indoors maskless without a care in the world. I'm only 15 minutes away from Frederick but it feels like thousands of miles away when I'm there.

This doesn’t even make any sense.

You are uncomfortable with people being unmasked in the Frederick Home Goods. Where you are not very likely to be in contact with another customer, or even the cashier for more than 5 minutes.

But, you are comfortable patronizing a Montgomery County restaurant with tons of unmasked people, simply because you know those people are vaccinated.

Despite the fact that it is very clear that vaccinated people can vary and transmit Covid.

Your logic is vey fuzzy. I could understand if you supported a mask mandate, but MoCo already has that.

You don't make any sense. There IS a mask mandate in MoCo. None in Frederick. In addition, the customers and workers at the Frederick establishments rarely wear masks. Yes, I'm uncomfortable with that and will not support them. What's confusing?

What’s confusing is that your logic is incredibly flawed.

Your risk of catching Covid while dining indoors with 50 other vaccinated individuals is much greater than your risk of catching Covid in the Frederick Home Goods, while masked, regardless of whether those individuals are vaccinated or not.

Where did you get the idea that I am hopping around MoCo eating at restaurants though? All I said was that I stopped supporting Frederick establishments (stores and restaurants) because of their lax policies regarding COVID safety and my uneasiness about the customers going around unmasked. But if I were to go to a restaurant, yes I would feel safer going to one in MoCo vs Frederick.

When MoCo requires a vaccine passport, will you start dining in restaurants in MoCo?

I already dine at MoCo restaurants although much less these days because of the rising cases. Because of the rising cases, even more reason to support places that require masking over those that don't. Plus having a passport provides the added assurance that there's likely a smaller number of customers sick with covid than at a place with no vaccine requirements. Of course there are breakthrough cases, but the majority of people getting infected are unvaccinated, which means they are still the ones doing most of the spreading. My sister works at a DC hospital and the large majority of the covid patients are unvaxxed including those who show up with mild symptoms.

You can catch and transmit Covid even when you are vaccinated.

How does a vaccine passport change that?

Vaccines mean that you are less likely to end up in the hospital or dead. They protect you. Vaccines do not protect others.

DP but I completely agree with you.

The only thing I would add is that vaccines do reduce the transmission risk to others and they also reduce the viral load when transmission does occur. These are important benefits that should not be discounted.

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Potential issues with a passport requirement:

1) detrimentally impacts businesses in lower-income, minority neighborhoods.
2) detrimentally impacts lower-income minorities who are not vaxed at the same rates as white people of any income.
3) creates more violence at bars and nightclubs at night, particularly in Silver Spring, as people are denied entry.

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Anonymous wrote:Potential issues with a passport requirement:

1) detrimentally impacts businesses in lower-income, minority neighborhoods.
2) detrimentally impacts lower-income minorities who are not vaxed at the same rates as white people of any income.
3) creates more violence at bars and nightclubs at night, particularly in Silver Spring, as people are denied entry.

Also more business going to Northern Virginia as business owners get tired of MoCo's anti-business climate and as MoCo residents look for more congenial places to dine

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Anonymous wrote:Is it official? How do I get one? I cannot wait!!

Don’t worry! It’s coming. It’ll surely be an online portal with lax cybersecurity that the Chinese can easily hack into. In months, alllll your PHI will be out there for the world to access. Just trust that Montgomery County will do the right thing with your personal health data.

Don’t forget that the crappy website will nearly certainly be built and operated by a company that is suspiciously well connected to county government for a no-bid contract worth tens of millions.

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And thousands and thousands of dollars down the drain because there will be 0 enforcement and the passport will be abandoned in a month or two.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it official? How do I get one? I cannot wait!!

Don’t worry! It’s coming. It’ll surely be an online portal with lax cybersecurity that the Chinese can easily hack into. In months, alllll your PHI will be out there for the world to access. Just trust that Montgomery County will do the right thing with your personal health data.

Don’t forget that the crappy website will nearly certainly be built and operated by a company that is suspiciously well connected to county government for a no-bid contract worth tens of millions.

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And thousands and thousands of dollars down the drain because there will be 0 enforcement and the passport will be abandoned in a month or two.

Absolutely! I think that’s even an underestimation of how much it will cost. More like tens of thousands of taxpayer money wasted on a useless initiative.

You can count on our MoCo politicians to waste taxpayer money in the worst way possible.

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Not sure what you guys are arguing about... when is it coming? and how can I get it?

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Yes, actually, you can get rid of a disease. We did it with polio. And note that polio's overwhelmingly predominant symptom was diarrhea. We don't remember polio nowadays, only longpolio. In 70% of cases, polio is asymptomatic. In 29.5%, it presents as diarrhea, GI distress. Only 0.5% of cases present with neurological symptoms. For the vast vast majority of people who got a disease which left hundreds of thousands disabled for the rest of their lives, polio was a few days of having the shits. If that.

So when you say that we can't get rid of COVID and you're just going to live your life, recognize that more people WILL die, and WILL become permanently disabled, due directly to those choices. (Estimates are that 30%+ of COVID cases, *even asymptomatic ones* will result in long COVID.)

This is when I know I'm not talking to a normal person.

"Among COVID-19 survivors, 36.55% had one or more long-COVID feature recorded between 3 and 6 months [post infection]." https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003773

"More than half of the millions of people who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 worldwide since December 2019 will experience post-COVID symptoms up to six months after recovering." https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/how-many-people-get-long-covid-more-half-researchers-find/

"more than half of COVID-19 survivors experienced PASC [postacute sequelae of COVID-19 - long covid] 6 months after recovery." https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2784918

Something, ANYTHING that reduces the spread of COVID even a little, is better than nothing. To say "oh well, there's nothing we can do" is just condemning so many people to unnecessary death or disability. In the face of a disaster like a hurricane, we acknowledge that we cannot actually stop it but AT LEAST we try to protect against the worst possible impact!

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Anonymous wrote:Good. I’m for vaccine passports. It lets me know who the smart people are.

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Anonymous wrote:Not one to be outdone by its neighbors, Montgomery County politicians are ready to go with their Vaccine Passport.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/montgomery-county-hopes-to-follow-d-c-with-vaccine-passport/

Looks like I’m heading to Frederick for shopping and restaurants. What is wrong with our politicians?

What is wrong with you?

Good. Throw a tantrum, take your ball and go home.

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Yes, actually, you can get rid of a disease. We did it with polio. And note that polio's overwhelmingly predominant symptom was diarrhea. We don't remember polio nowadays, only longpolio. In 70% of cases, polio is asymptomatic. In 29.5%, it presents as diarrhea, GI distress. Only 0.5% of cases present with neurological symptoms. For the vast vast majority of people who got a disease which left hundreds of thousands disabled for the rest of their lives, polio was a few days of having the shits. If that.

So when you say that we can't get rid of COVID and you're just going to live your life, recognize that more people WILL die, and WILL become permanently disabled, due directly to those choices. (Estimates are that 30%+ of COVID cases, *even asymptomatic ones* will result in long COVID.)

This is when I know I'm not talking to a normal person.

"Among COVID-19 survivors, 36.55% had one or more long-COVID feature recorded between 3 and 6 months [post infection]." https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003773

"More than half of the millions of people who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 worldwide since December 2019 will experience post-COVID symptoms up to six months after recovering." https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/how-many-people-get-long-covid-more-half-researchers-find/

"more than half of COVID-19 survivors experienced PASC [postacute sequelae of COVID-19 - long covid] 6 months after recovery." https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2784918

Something, ANYTHING that reduces the spread of COVID even a little, is better than nothing. To say "oh well, there's nothing we can do" is just condemning so many people to unnecessary death or disability. In the face of a disaster like a hurricane, we acknowledge that we cannot actually stop it but AT LEAST we try to protect against the worst possible impact!

Long Covid is so "prevelant" in part because its so hard to define (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58584558).

Have you had:

headache
muscle ache
weakness
tiredness
nausea
abdominal pain
diarrhea
sore throat
cough
shortness of breath
loss of taste
loss of smell?

Then its long covid. But those symptoms are reported in 1 out of 40 people that haven't had COVID as well.

So ask somebody post Covid (like me) if they've had those symptoms in the past 3 months, and I would answer yes. I've been fatigues and had muscle aches. But I would not raise my hand and claim to be suffering from long Covid

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I'm French, and already have my Pass Sanitaire (soon to be updated to Pass Vaccinal).

This is good news.

LOL! Ha! I love it. Yes, let’s definitely enforce a ‘Sanitary Pass’ here in Montgomery County to weed out all the filthy, dirty unvaccinated people.

THIS!!!

And since POC tend to be less vaccinated as a group, I’m looking forward to my shopping experience being much whiter in ‘22! Thanks Marc! I knew I could count on you and the council to make MoCo better! This is why I’m a proud Dem!

You have a good point and I wonder if that will put a stop on this stupid idea.

Yes, this is a criticism of vaccine passports. Now, the vaccine has been widely available for some time so most have had an opportunity to get it. However, there are still racial/ethnic differences as of December 31 according to Kaiser Family Foundation, most black lagging white, with Hispanics only a little below white.

Also, what sense does it make to require this for a restaurant but not for schools?

The arbitrariness of much of this is what leads to questions about it.

Then simply do not require BIPOC to show proof of vaccination to enter businesses.

Easy peasy.

- a white person.

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I'm French, and already have my Pass Sanitaire (soon to be updated to Pass Vaccinal).

This is good news.

LOL! Ha! I love it. Yes, let’s definitely enforce a ‘Sanitary Pass’ here in Montgomery County to weed out all the filthy, dirty unvaccinated people.

THIS!!!

And since POC tend to be less vaccinated as a group, I’m looking forward to my shopping experience being much whiter in ‘22! Thanks Marc! I knew I could count on you and the council to make MoCo better! This is why I’m a proud Dem!

You have a good point and I wonder if that will put a stop on this stupid idea.

Yes, this is a criticism of vaccine passports. Now, the vaccine has been widely available for some time so most have had an opportunity to get it. However, there are still racial/ethnic differences as of December 31 according to Kaiser Family Foundation, most black lagging white, with Hispanics only a little below white.

Also, what sense does it make to require this for a restaurant but not for schools?

The arbitrariness of much of this is what leads to questions about it.

Then simply do not require BIPOC to show proof of vaccination to enter businesses.

Easy peasy.

- a white person.

What counts at BIPOC?

I’m Muslim and my 14 year old is unvaccinated. Will this apply to her. I am not interested in having her vaccinated.