Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming

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I'm French, and already have my Pass Sanitaire (soon to be updated to Pass Vaccinal).

This is good news.

LOL! Ha! I love it. Yes, let’s definitely enforce a ‘Sanitary Pass’ here in Montgomery County to weed out all the filthy, dirty unvaccinated people.

THIS!!!

And since POC tend to be less vaccinated as a group, I’m looking forward to my shopping experience being much whiter in ‘22! Thanks Marc! I knew I could count on you and the council to make MoCo better! This is why I’m a proud Dem!

You have a good point and I wonder if that will put a stop on this stupid idea.

Yes, this is a criticism of vaccine passports. Now, the vaccine has been widely available for some time so most have had an opportunity to get it. However, there are still racial/ethnic differences as of December 31 according to Kaiser Family Foundation, most black lagging white, with Hispanics only a little below white.

Also, what sense does it make to require this for a restaurant but not for schools?

The arbitrariness of much of this is what leads to questions about it.

Then simply do not require BIPOC to show proof of vaccination to enter businesses.

Easy peasy.

- a white person.

What counts at BIPOC?

I’m Muslim and my 14 year old is unvaccinated. Will this apply to her. I am not interested in having her vaccinated.

Being Muslim has nothing to do with it. Anyone can be a Muslim. Are you Black or Indigenous? That’s what we’re talking about here.

And why are you forcing your daughter to be unvaccinated?

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Anonymous wrote:Is it official? How do I get one? I cannot wait!!

Don’t worry! It’s coming. It’ll surely be an online portal with lax cybersecurity that the Chinese can easily hack into. In months, alllll your PHI will be out there for the world to access. Just trust that Montgomery County will do the right thing with your personal health data.

Don’t forget that the crappy website will nearly certainly be built and operated by a company that is suspiciously well connected to county government for a no-bid contract worth tens of millions.

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And thousands and thousands of dollars down the drain because there will be 0 enforcement and the passport will be abandoned in a month or two.

+2. The places that require vaccination already check. The places that don't won't enforce a passport. Do you think anyone cares if I'm vaccinated when I pick up my lunch at Chipotle? Or that they have the extra staff to actually check and then deny entry to someone?

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Why require the vaccine mandate for private gyms but not rec centers? Aren’t they basically the same thing?

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Anonymous wrote:I am vaccinated and boostered and I wear a mask but something about a vaccine passport, showing proof, doesn’t sit well with me. How will it be enforced? Is my passport going to be scanned at businesses? Will this information be reported back to a government entity? Is it just theater?

This. And it's just another way to hurt businesses. Let them police their own business the way they want.

Elrich thinks this won’t hurt businesses because a vaccinated person won’t leave MoCo to shop elsewhere. He is SO wrong.

I am so against this. I will absolutely drive up to Frederick for restaurants/bars. Already, they have no mask mandate. I’m vaccinated, but he shouldn’t underestimate how much people will dislike this kind of crazy BS.

Actually I know a lot of people myself included who think the opposite. We've stopped going to Frederick stores and restaurants because barely anyone in these establishments, including workers wear masks. I was just at Weis and Home Goods at Mt. Airy 3 weeks ago and I was seriously uncomfortable.

Well, that’s just weird. Are you vaccinated? Did you wear a mask?

Why do you need to control what everyone else is doing? Even if every other person in that Home Goods had Covid, you are covered because you are masked and vaccinated.

You can’t control what other people do. You can only control your own behavior and how you react.

You are correct about being in control. As I've said, I decided to no longer patronize these establishments and others that clearly lack concern about this virus. There's also something very off-putting about their customers as they walk around indoors maskless without a care in the world. I'm only 15 minutes away from Frederick but it feels like thousands of miles away when I'm there.

This doesn’t even make any sense.

You are uncomfortable with people being unmasked in the Frederick Home Goods. Where you are not very likely to be in contact with another customer, or even the cashier for more than 5 minutes.

But, you are comfortable patronizing a Montgomery County restaurant with tons of unmasked people, simply because you know those people are vaccinated.

Despite the fact that it is very clear that vaccinated people can vary and transmit Covid.

Your logic is vey fuzzy. I could understand if you supported a mask mandate, but MoCo already has that.

You don't make any sense. There IS a mask mandate in MoCo. None in Frederick. In addition, the customers and workers at the Frederick establishments rarely wear masks. Yes, I'm uncomfortable with that and will not support them. What's confusing?

What’s confusing is that your logic is incredibly flawed.

Your risk of catching Covid while dining indoors with 50 other vaccinated individuals is much greater than your risk of catching Covid in the Frederick Home Goods, while masked, regardless of whether those individuals are vaccinated or not.

Where did you get the idea that I am hopping around MoCo eating at restaurants though? All I said was that I stopped supporting Frederick establishments (stores and restaurants) because of their lax policies regarding COVID safety and my uneasiness about the customers going around unmasked. But if I were to go to a restaurant, yes I would feel safer going to one in MoCo vs Frederick.

When MoCo requires a vaccine passport, will you start dining in restaurants in MoCo?

I already dine at MoCo restaurants although much less these days because of the rising cases. Because of the rising cases, even more reason to support places that require masking over those that don't. Plus having a passport provides the added assurance that there's likely a smaller number of customers sick with covid than at a place with no vaccine requirements. Of course there are breakthrough cases, but the majority of people getting infected are unvaccinated, which means they are still the ones doing most of the spreading. My sister works at a DC hospital and the large majority of the covid patients are unvaxxed including those who show up with mild symptoms.

Montgomery county has some of the highest vaccination rates of anywhere. Who are the unvaccinated that are causing issues in MoCo? Yes hospitalized patients are majority unvaccinated but if nearly everyone in MoCo is vaccinated and we have so many cases, it stands to reason that many of the cases are in vaccinated individuals

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Anonymous wrote:I am vaccinated and boostered and I wear a mask but something about a vaccine passport, showing proof, doesn’t sit well with me. How will it be enforced? Is my passport going to be scanned at businesses? Will this information be reported back to a government entity? Is it just theater?

This. And it's just another way to hurt businesses. Let them police their own business the way they want.

Elrich thinks this won’t hurt businesses because a vaccinated person won’t leave MoCo to shop elsewhere. He is SO wrong.

I am so against this. I will absolutely drive up to Frederick for restaurants/bars. Already, they have no mask mandate. I’m vaccinated, but he shouldn’t underestimate how much people will dislike this kind of crazy BS.

Actually I know a lot of people myself included who think the opposite. We've stopped going to Frederick stores and restaurants because barely anyone in these establishments, including workers wear masks. I was just at Weis and Home Goods at Mt. Airy 3 weeks ago and I was seriously uncomfortable.

Well, that’s just weird. Are you vaccinated? Did you wear a mask?

Why do you need to control what everyone else is doing? Even if every other person in that Home Goods had Covid, you are covered because you are masked and vaccinated.

You can’t control what other people do. You can only control your own behavior and how you react.

You are correct about being in control. As I've said, I decided to no longer patronize these establishments and others that clearly lack concern about this virus. There's also something very off-putting about their customers as they walk around indoors maskless without a care in the world. I'm only 15 minutes away from Frederick but it feels like thousands of miles away when I'm there.

This doesn’t even make any sense.

You are uncomfortable with people being unmasked in the Frederick Home Goods. Where you are not very likely to be in contact with another customer, or even the cashier for more than 5 minutes.

But, you are comfortable patronizing a Montgomery County restaurant with tons of unmasked people, simply because you know those people are vaccinated.

Despite the fact that it is very clear that vaccinated people can vary and transmit Covid.

Your logic is vey fuzzy. I could understand if you supported a mask mandate, but MoCo already has that.

You don't make any sense. There IS a mask mandate in MoCo. None in Frederick. In addition, the customers and workers at the Frederick establishments rarely wear masks. Yes, I'm uncomfortable with that and will not support them. What's confusing?

What’s confusing is that your logic is incredibly flawed.

Your risk of catching Covid while dining indoors with 50 other vaccinated individuals is much greater than your risk of catching Covid in the Frederick Home Goods, while masked, regardless of whether those individuals are vaccinated or not.

Where did you get the idea that I am hopping around MoCo eating at restaurants though? All I said was that I stopped supporting Frederick establishments (stores and restaurants) because of their lax policies regarding COVID safety and my uneasiness about the customers going around unmasked. But if I were to go to a restaurant, yes I would feel safer going to one in MoCo vs Frederick.

When MoCo requires a vaccine passport, will you start dining in restaurants in MoCo?

I already dine at MoCo restaurants although much less these days because of the rising cases. Because of the rising cases, even more reason to support places that require masking over those that don't. Plus having a passport provides the added assurance that there's likely a smaller number of customers sick with covid than at a place with no vaccine requirements. Of course there are breakthrough cases, but the majority of people getting infected are unvaccinated, which means they are still the ones doing most of the spreading. My sister works at a DC hospital and the large majority of the covid patients are unvaxxed including those who show up with mild symptoms.

Montgomery county has some of the highest vaccination rates of anywhere. Who are the unvaccinated that are causing issues in MoCo? Yes hospitalized patients are majority unvaccinated but if nearly everyone in MoCo is vaccinated and we have so many cases, it stands to reason that many of the cases are in vaccinated individuals

Some of what's happening in our hospitals is that people come in for things like heart attacks and car accident injuries and are diagnosed with COVID while getting treated. It wasn't COVID that brought them there. So they very well may be vaccinated but not in grave condition due to the disease, but instead another health issue.

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Exactly what the prior person posted. This is getting absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly what the prior person posted. This is getting absurd.

Some people like living in panic.

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Anonymous wrote:I am vaccinated and boostered and I wear a mask but something about a vaccine passport, showing proof, doesn’t sit well with me. How will it be enforced? Is my passport going to be scanned at businesses? Will this information be reported back to a government entity? Is it just theater?

This. And it's just another way to hurt businesses. Let them police their own business the way they want.

Elrich thinks this won’t hurt businesses because a vaccinated person won’t leave MoCo to shop elsewhere. He is SO wrong.

I am so against this. I will absolutely drive up to Frederick for restaurants/bars. Already, they have no mask mandate. I’m vaccinated, but he shouldn’t underestimate how much people will dislike this kind of crazy BS.

Actually I know a lot of people myself included who think the opposite. We've stopped going to Frederick stores and restaurants because barely anyone in these establishments, including workers wear masks. I was just at Weis and Home Goods at Mt. Airy 3 weeks ago and I was seriously uncomfortable.

Well, that’s just weird. Are you vaccinated? Did you wear a mask?

Why do you need to control what everyone else is doing? Even if every other person in that Home Goods had Covid, you are covered because you are masked and vaccinated.

You can’t control what other people do. You can only control your own behavior and how you react.

You are correct about being in control. As I've said, I decided to no longer patronize these establishments and others that clearly lack concern about this virus. There's also something very off-putting about their customers as they walk around indoors maskless without a care in the world. I'm only 15 minutes away from Frederick but it feels like thousands of miles away when I'm there.

This doesn’t even make any sense.

You are uncomfortable with people being unmasked in the Frederick Home Goods. Where you are not very likely to be in contact with another customer, or even the cashier for more than 5 minutes.

But, you are comfortable patronizing a Montgomery County restaurant with tons of unmasked people, simply because you know those people are vaccinated.

Despite the fact that it is very clear that vaccinated people can vary and transmit Covid.

Your logic is vey fuzzy. I could understand if you supported a mask mandate, but MoCo already has that.

You don't make any sense. There IS a mask mandate in MoCo. None in Frederick. In addition, the customers and workers at the Frederick establishments rarely wear masks. Yes, I'm uncomfortable with that and will not support them. What's confusing?

What’s confusing is that your logic is incredibly flawed.

Your risk of catching Covid while dining indoors with 50 other vaccinated individuals is much greater than your risk of catching Covid in the Frederick Home Goods, while masked, regardless of whether those individuals are vaccinated or not.

Where did you get the idea that I am hopping around MoCo eating at restaurants though? All I said was that I stopped supporting Frederick establishments (stores and restaurants) because of their lax policies regarding COVID safety and my uneasiness about the customers going around unmasked. But if I were to go to a restaurant, yes I would feel safer going to one in MoCo vs Frederick.

When MoCo requires a vaccine passport, will you start dining in restaurants in MoCo?

I already dine at MoCo restaurants although much less these days because of the rising cases. Because of the rising cases, even more reason to support places that require masking over those that don't. Plus having a passport provides the added assurance that there's likely a smaller number of customers sick with covid than at a place with no vaccine requirements. Of course there are breakthrough cases, but the majority of people getting infected are unvaccinated, which means they are still the ones doing most of the spreading. My sister works at a DC hospital and the large majority of the covid patients are unvaxxed including those who show up with mild symptoms.

Montgomery county has some of the highest vaccination rates of anywhere. Who are the unvaccinated that are causing issues in MoCo? Yes hospitalized patients are majority unvaccinated but if nearly everyone in MoCo is vaccinated and we have so many cases, it stands to reason that many of the cases are in vaccinated individuals

Exactly.

Pointless mandate created by politicians who should be focusing on issues that actually DO need attention (the mess that is MCPS, for example).

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I'm French, and already have my Pass Sanitaire (soon to be updated to Pass Vaccinal).

This is good news.

LOL! Ha! I love it. Yes, let’s definitely enforce a ‘Sanitary Pass’ here in Montgomery County to weed out all the filthy, dirty unvaccinated people.

THIS!!!

And since POC tend to be less vaccinated as a group, I’m looking forward to my shopping experience being much whiter in ‘22! Thanks Marc! I knew I could count on you and the council to make MoCo better! This is why I’m a proud Dem!

You have a good point and I wonder if that will put a stop on this stupid idea.

Yes, this is a criticism of vaccine passports. Now, the vaccine has been widely available for some time so most have had an opportunity to get it. However, there are still racial/ethnic differences as of December 31 according to Kaiser Family Foundation, most black lagging white, with Hispanics only a little below white.

Also, what sense does it make to require this for a restaurant but not for schools?

The arbitrariness of much of this is what leads to questions about it.

Then simply do not require BIPOC to show proof of vaccination to enter businesses.

Easy peasy.

- a white person.

What counts at BIPOC?

I’m Muslim and my 14 year old is unvaccinated. Will this apply to her. I am not interested in having her vaccinated.

Being Muslim has nothing to do with it. Anyone can be a Muslim. Are you Black or Indigenous? That’s what we’re talking about here.

And why are you forcing your daughter to be unvaccinated?

Let me get this straight. If I’m a Black Muslim, I should be allowed not show proof of vax. But if I am an Arab Muslim, I should have to show proof of vax.

Interesting approach. I look forward to watching the lawsuits pore in.

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^pour not pore

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In highly vaccinated Europe, with vaccine passports top to bottom (I have a Swiss and EU certificate myself for travel), half of the population is expected to contract coronavirus in the next six to eight weeks.

With a disease like this, what value do the vaccine passports add at all? Being vaccinated is important for reducing severity, yes, but it's not clear what value a passport is when this type of spread, more than almost any virus it seems in even a highly vaccinated population, is possible.

[Anonymous]

I am tired of pandering to the few idiots that choose not to be vaccinated. They have had a year, that's enough. Let the rest of us be free. Enough of the mask mandates and "no" to vaccine passports. I am fully vaccinated, and so is my family. I have no interest in proving it to anyone except my kids' schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I am vaccinated and boostered and I wear a mask but something about a vaccine passport, showing proof, doesn’t sit well with me. How will it be enforced? Is my passport going to be scanned at businesses? Will this information be reported back to a government entity? Is it just theater?

This. And it's just another way to hurt businesses. Let them police their own business the way they want.

Elrich thinks this won’t hurt businesses because a vaccinated person won’t leave MoCo to shop elsewhere. He is SO wrong.

I am so against this. I will absolutely drive up to Frederick for restaurants/bars. Already, they have no mask mandate. I’m vaccinated, but he shouldn’t underestimate how much people will dislike this kind of crazy BS.

Actually I know a lot of people myself included who think the opposite. We've stopped going to Frederick stores and restaurants because barely anyone in these establishments, including workers wear masks. I was just at Weis and Home Goods at Mt. Airy 3 weeks ago and I was seriously uncomfortable.

Well, that’s just weird. Are you vaccinated? Did you wear a mask?

Why do you need to control what everyone else is doing? Even if every other person in that Home Goods had Covid, you are covered because you are masked and vaccinated.

You can’t control what other people do. You can only control your own behavior and how you react.

You are correct about being in control. As I've said, I decided to no longer patronize these establishments and others that clearly lack concern about this virus. There's also something very off-putting about their customers as they walk around indoors maskless without a care in the world. I'm only 15 minutes away from Frederick but it feels like thousands of miles away when I'm there.

This doesn’t even make any sense.

You are uncomfortable with people being unmasked in the Frederick Home Goods. Where you are not very likely to be in contact with another customer, or even the cashier for more than 5 minutes.

But, you are comfortable patronizing a Montgomery County restaurant with tons of unmasked people, simply because you know those people are vaccinated.

Despite the fact that it is very clear that vaccinated people can vary and transmit Covid.

Your logic is vey fuzzy. I could understand if you supported a mask mandate, but MoCo already has that.

You don't make any sense. There IS a mask mandate in MoCo. None in Frederick. In addition, the customers and workers at the Frederick establishments rarely wear masks. Yes, I'm uncomfortable with that and will not support them. What's confusing?

What’s confusing is that your logic is incredibly flawed.

Your risk of catching Covid while dining indoors with 50 other vaccinated individuals is much greater than your risk of catching Covid in the Frederick Home Goods, while masked, regardless of whether those individuals are vaccinated or not.

Where did you get the idea that I am hopping around MoCo eating at restaurants though? All I said was that I stopped supporting Frederick establishments (stores and restaurants) because of their lax policies regarding COVID safety and my uneasiness about the customers going around unmasked. But if I were to go to a restaurant, yes I would feel safer going to one in MoCo vs Frederick.

When MoCo requires a vaccine passport, will you start dining in restaurants in MoCo?

I already dine at MoCo restaurants although much less these days because of the rising cases. Because of the rising cases, even more reason to support places that require masking over those that don't. Plus having a passport provides the added assurance that there's likely a smaller number of customers sick with covid than at a place with no vaccine requirements. Of course there are breakthrough cases, but the majority of people getting infected are unvaccinated, which means they are still the ones doing most of the spreading. My sister works at a DC hospital and the large majority of the covid patients are unvaxxed including those who show up with mild symptoms.

Montgomery county has some of the highest vaccination rates of anywhere. Who are the unvaccinated that are causing issues in MoCo? Yes hospitalized patients are majority unvaccinated but if nearly everyone in MoCo is vaccinated and we have so many cases, it stands to reason that many of the cases are in vaccinated individuals

They need someone to blame when its their own behavior vaccinated causing the spread.

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Anonymous wrote:In highly vaccinated Europe, with vaccine passports top to bottom (I have a Swiss and EU certificate myself for travel), half of the population is expected to contract coronavirus in the next six to eight weeks.

With a disease like this, what value do the vaccine passports add at all? Being vaccinated is important for reducing severity, yes, but it's not clear what value a passport is when this type of spread, more than almost any virus it seems in even a highly vaccinated population, is possible.

None. Zero. Zip.

That is exactly the question that needs to be asked.

If the County decides to pass it, they need to clearly explain what the benefit is. With data, not with nonsense, like Sonia Sotomayor’s claims of 100,000 kids on ventilators.

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A vaccine passport might have been a good idea in 2020, with the original COVID-19 strain, but is pointless in 2022 with the omicron strain.

In our county, with the sky high vaccination rate, it's pointless. Omicron is infecting everyone, even the boosted (me!).

The passport idea won't solve anything, it's an outdated idea.