Athletes have such an edge

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Anonymous wrote:This is our culture. I agree it makes no sense. Really what do sports have to do with pursuit of higher education? I don't think.any other countries play collegiate sports like we do. But you have to accept it as it is just the way it is here.

You must not have played sports yourself. I think maybe you don't realize how much character it builds to play a sport competitively. It builds emotional and physical stamina, teamwork skills, requires incredible commitment, and teaches young people the value of hard work. As a woman, it also helped me develop a deep respect for myself and my body, beyond what it looked like or could do for men. I met people from all over the world and was exposed to dozens of cultures through my sport.

Also, it's not like athletes are 50% of the student body and none deserve to be there. They are a small percentage and they've all worked very hard to get where they are. I'm sorry it wasn't your pathway, but maybe you should realize that being born rich is a much, MUCH greater "edge" than playing a sport.

I played sports in college and so does one of my kids. I understand the college sports game and how it works. I just don't agree that it has much to do with the academic side of things at all.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are talking about all sport like lacrosse or crew or field hockey, these recruits statistically will presumptively be successful in their chosen careers.

They are tiny fraction of the people who are successful in their chosen careers. Tiny. Far more people in this world are successful and did not play those sports. In other words, playing lacrosse is not what makes a person successful.

Not presidents and CEOs.

The only scholar-athlete president tht comes to mind is Gerald Ford. Are there others? Don’t know much about CEOs. I don’t think Musk, Zuckerberg, or @jack played sportball. Please help me out with some household names.

Ford
Reagan
Nixon
Eisenhower
Kennedy
Bush
Carter
Wilson

Many didn’t start, were on club teams or also did cheerleading like Reagan. I still only count Ford.

CEOs

GE Immelt
IBM Palmisano
HP Whitman
Wholefoods Robb
Sunoco Elsenhans
Bank of america Noynihan
Mondelez International Rosenfeld
Comcast Roberts (gold medal)
GM Akerson

That’s great, but they’re not HH names except for Whitman.


(many are women)

There are many articles about this here is one... https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/11/want-to-be-a-ceo-later-play-sports-now.html

Ford
Reagan - football, cheerleading, swimming (captain)
Nixon - football (varsity bench, practice team)
Eisenhower - football (varsity - career ending leg injury)
Kennedy - swimming and boxing (club)
Bush -cheerleading and baseball
Bush - cheerleading and rugby
Carter - football sprint (they did football by weight - so not varsity), cross country
Roosevelt - Boxing and Rowing (club)
Roosevelt - football club (and was the 1st to start making the sport safer)
Clinton - Rugby
Taft - Wrestling

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Anonymous wrote:Fantastic. All you kids aspiring to be president...hit the track and your on your way!

or CEO's whichever

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Anonymous wrote:You haven’t figured out that our society values sports over education?

But you can get into a good school with amazing academics and zero athletics, but if you have amazing athletics you still need academics that are far above average.

It's higher EDUCATION...not higher athletics.

Then you don't understand EDUCATION.

I don't give a rats ass if my lawyer or my investment advisor or my doctor can catch a ball. I need their brains...period.

College athlete is still a great proxy for work ethic. There's a reason that they also have an edge when applying to jobs.

This. They can take feedback, work hard, be a teammate, and persevere through adversity. And they have great time management skills, because to get recruited to the best schools they need a strong academic transcript on top of the elite sports skill.

I think it's the time management. Its much easier to have a perfect academic transcript if you have a couple of clubs that take an hour or two a week, but you generally get home before 5:00 and have the entire evening to study and work vs. an athlete who can easily have practice four days a week ranging from an hour to several hours that may be a long drive from home and weekends packed with games and have the expectation of doing strength training, cardio, and skills training outside of practice.

I get that the athlete likes the sport and is good at it and has to manage their time to do it. I have one on that track.

But the kid that wants to use their free time in the pursuit of knowledge and learn to manage time doing that is the one I want for my employee, or advisor or surgeon, etc. But you do you.

One person's pursuit of knowledge is another's gaming. I have yet to see a kid was up at 4:00 am to pursue knowledge every weekday morning before school. I'll take the kid used to priritizing and producing under tight time constraints

If you want a worker bee that can get up and work and do it again everyday then hire the athlete I guess.

But if I need an engineer to make sure the plane won't crash..sorry...i am going with the robotics super nerd every time.

Oh, wow. Such unnecessary, obnoxious, toxic stereotypes. Do you also choose your doctor based on race?

My kid is a Straight-A student enrolled in Project Lead the Way and interested in engineering. He is also a phenomenal basketball player. Not sure where he’ll end up, but I am pretty sure he will make an amazing engineer if he so chooses, despite his interest in sports.

+1 -- I think parents of non-athletes like to assume all recruited athletes are "dumb" or less qualified, but it's just not true. My DC is a competitive swimmer. She trains about 25 hours/week all year long, has a 3.9 GPA taking the most rigorous courses at a competitive private school, and scored 1500+ on the SAT. I think anyone would be lucky to have her making sure the plane won't crash, arguing before the Supreme Court, or performing surgery. Athletics and academics are not mutually exclusive....but it's the rare kid who excels at both. I'm not saying all athletes fall into this category, but the idea that "college athletes are dumb" is incredibly ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:You haven’t figured out that our society values sports over education?

But you can get into a good school with amazing academics and zero athletics, but if you have amazing athletics you still need academics that are far above average.

It's higher EDUCATION...not higher athletics.

Then you don't understand EDUCATION.

I don't give a rats ass if my lawyer or my investment advisor or my doctor can catch a ball. I need their brains...period.

College athlete is still a great proxy for work ethic. There's a reason that they also have an edge when applying to jobs.

This. They can take feedback, work hard, be a teammate, and persevere through adversity. And they have great time management skills, because to get recruited to the best schools they need a strong academic transcript on top of the elite sports skill.

I think it's the time management. Its much easier to have a perfect academic transcript if you have a couple of clubs that take an hour or two a week, but you generally get home before 5:00 and have the entire evening to study and work vs. an athlete who can easily have practice four days a week ranging from an hour to several hours that may be a long drive from home and weekends packed with games and have the expectation of doing strength training, cardio, and skills training outside of practice.

I get that the athlete likes the sport and is good at it and has to manage their time to do it. I have one on that track.

But the kid that wants to use their free time in the pursuit of knowledge and learn to manage time doing that is the one I want for my employee, or advisor or surgeon, etc. But you do you.

One person's pursuit of knowledge is another's gaming. I have yet to see a kid was up at 4:00 am to pursue knowledge every weekday morning before school. I'll take the kid used to priritizing and producing under tight time constraints

If you want a worker bee that can get up and work and do it again everyday then hire the athlete I guess.

But if I need an engineer to make sure the plane won't crash..sorry...i am going with the robotics super nerd every time.

Oh, wow. Such unnecessary, obnoxious, toxic stereotypes. Do you also choose your doctor based on race?

My kid is a Straight-A student enrolled in Project Lead the Way and interested in engineering. He is also a phenomenal basketball player. Not sure where he’ll end up, but I am pretty sure he will make an amazing engineer if he so chooses, despite his interest in sports.

I'd definitely hire the athlete that was the engineer, if they can get a degree in engineering with the commitment of sports they have to be a genius.

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Yes and 30% of spots go to international students. Test optional is not really for white or asian students especially males. It all sucks ...

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Anonymous wrote:If you are talking about all sport like lacrosse or crew or field hockey, these recruits statistically will presumptively be successful in their chosen careers.

They are tiny fraction of the people who are successful in their chosen careers. Tiny. Far more people in this world are successful and did not play those sports. In other words, playing lacrosse is not what makes a person successful.

Not presidents and CEOs.

The only scholar-athlete president tht comes to mind is Gerald Ford. Are there others? Don’t know much about CEOs. I don’t think Musk, Zuckerberg, or @jack played sportball. Please help me out with some household names.

Ford
Reagan
Nixon
Eisenhower
Kennedy
Bush
Carter
Wilson

Many didn’t start, were on club teams or also did cheerleading like Reagan. I still only count Ford.

CEOs

GE Immelt
IBM Palmisano
HP Whitman
Wholefoods Robb
Sunoco Elsenhans
Bank of america Noynihan
Mondelez International Rosenfeld
Comcast Roberts (gold medal)
GM Akerson

That’s great, but they’re not HH names except for Whitman.


(many are women)

There are many articles about this here is one... https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/11/want-to-be-a-ceo-later-play-sports-now.html

Ford
Reagan - football, cheerleading, swimming (captain)
Nixon - football (varsity bench, practice team)
Eisenhower - football (varsity - career ending leg injury)
Kennedy - swimming and boxing (club)
Bush -cheerleading and baseball
Bush - cheerleading and rugby
Carter - football sprint (they did football by weight - so not varsity), cross country
Roosevelt - Boxing and Rowing (club)
Roosevelt - football club (and was the 1st to start making the sport safer)
Clinton - Rugby
Taft - Wrestling

Lol. Why did you leave out Trump? Why didn't the sports have a fine influence or build that jack's character.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are talking about all sport like lacrosse or crew or field hockey, these recruits statistically will presumptively be successful in their chosen careers.

They are tiny fraction of the people who are successful in their chosen careers. Tiny. Far more people in this world are successful and did not play those sports. In other words, playing lacrosse is not what makes a person successful.

Not presidents and CEOs.

The only scholar-athlete president tht comes to mind is Gerald Ford. Are there others? Don’t know much about CEOs. I don’t think Musk, Zuckerberg, or @jack played sportball. Please help me out with some household names.

Ford
Reagan
Nixon
Eisenhower
Kennedy
Bush
Carter
Wilson

Many didn’t start, were on club teams or also did cheerleading like Reagan. I still only count Ford.

CEOs

GE Immelt
IBM Palmisano
HP Whitman
Wholefoods Robb
Sunoco Elsenhans
Bank of america Noynihan
Mondelez International Rosenfeld
Comcast Roberts (gold medal)
GM Akerson

That’s great, but they’re not HH names except for Whitman.


(many are women)

There are many articles about this here is one... https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/11/want-to-be-a-ceo-later-play-sports-now.html

Ford
Reagan - football, cheerleading, swimming (captain)
Nixon - football (varsity bench, practice team)
Eisenhower - football (varsity - career ending leg injury)
Kennedy - swimming and boxing (club)
Bush -cheerleading and baseball
Bush - cheerleading and rugby
Carter - football sprint (they did football by weight - so not varsity), cross country
Roosevelt - Boxing and Rowing (club)
Roosevelt - football club (and was the 1st to start making the sport safer)
Clinton - Rugby
Taft - Wrestling

Lol. Why did you leave out Trump? Why didn't the sports have a fine influence or build that jack's character.

Trump - golf

happy!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes and 30% of spots go to international students. Test optional is not really for white or asian students especially males. It all sucks ...

What international student can use athletics to get an education in their home country? Zero.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are talking about all sport like lacrosse or crew or field hockey, these recruits statistically will presumptively be successful in their chosen careers.

They are tiny fraction of the people who are successful in their chosen careers. Tiny. Far more people in this world are successful and did not play those sports. In other words, playing lacrosse is not what makes a person successful.

Not presidents and CEOs.

The only scholar-athlete president tht comes to mind is Gerald Ford. Are there others? Don’t know much about CEOs. I don’t think Musk, Zuckerberg, or @jack played sportball. Please help me out with some household names.

Ford
Reagan
Nixon
Eisenhower
Kennedy
Bush
Carter
Wilson

Many didn’t start, were on club teams or also did cheerleading like Reagan. I still only count Ford.

CEOs

GE Immelt
IBM Palmisano
HP Whitman
Wholefoods Robb
Sunoco Elsenhans
Bank of america Noynihan
Mondelez International Rosenfeld
Comcast Roberts (gold medal)
GM Akerson

That’s great, but they’re not HH names except for Whitman.


(many are women)

There are many articles about this here is one... https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/11/want-to-be-a-ceo-later-play-sports-now.html

Ford
Reagan - football, cheerleading, swimming (captain)
Nixon - football (varsity bench, practice team)
Eisenhower - football (varsity - career ending leg injury)
Kennedy - swimming and boxing (club)
Bush -cheerleading and baseball
Bush - cheerleading and rugby
Carter - football sprint (they did football by weight - so not varsity), cross country
Roosevelt - Boxing and Rowing (club)
Roosevelt - football club (and was the 1st to start making the sport safer)
Clinton - Rugby
Taft - Wrestling

Lol. Why did you leave out Trump? Why didn't the sports have a fine influence or build that jack's character.

Trump - golf

happy!

A lot of good it did for him....or us for that matter

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^^^ but he did not play for his college team but I suspect he put more time in playing golf than studying so i'll say it counts.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ but he did not play for his college team but I suspect he put more time in playing golf than studying so i'll say it counts.

His college tries to avoid all mention of the fact that he attended.

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Anonymous wrote:They absolutely do. The only kids I know personally who go to Ivys are recruited athletes. (Not in DMV area.)

My boyfriend’s ds is a standout soccer player and going to a school he would never get in otherwise.

I don’t have any judgment about it and probably see it as an overall fine thing because I don’t really believe in entitlement to spots in college.

But there is stigma associated with that on campus. The athletes are viewed as weaker students because they got in because of sports. It worth it to take the admit but just be aware of that.

I don't think they care what the nerds think anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:They absolutely do. The only kids I know personally who go to Ivys are recruited athletes. (Not in DMV area.)

My boyfriend’s ds is a standout soccer player and going to a school he would never get in otherwise.

I don’t have any judgment about it and probably see it as an overall fine thing because I don’t really believe in entitlement to spots in college.

But there is stigma associated with that on campus. The athletes are viewed as weaker students because they got in because of sports. It worth it to take the admit but just be aware of that.

I don't think they care what the nerds think anyway.

Ha ha so true.

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Anonymous wrote:They absolutely do. The only kids I know personally who go to Ivys are recruited athletes. (Not in DMV area.)

My boyfriend’s ds is a standout soccer player and going to a school he would never get in otherwise.

I don’t have any judgment about it and probably see it as an overall fine thing because I don’t really believe in entitlement to spots in college.

But there is stigma associated with that on campus. The athletes are viewed as weaker students because they got in because of sports. It worth it to take the admit but just be aware of that.

I don't think they care what the nerds think anyway.

The " I don't care" defense mechanism. It does exist.