Biden strikes out with King Manchin

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Damn they don’t agree on anything do they?

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Anonymous wrote:The $3.5T bill is ridiculous. It's not clear what is in it and no way to balance it with future revenue. We are spending money like it grows on trees.

Limits and cuts are coming.

Late last week Biden held marathon meetings with nearly two dozen progressive and moderate lawmakers to get his agenda passed.

He's now considering limits to tuition-free community college and universal childcare to cut down the massive, progressive-backed $3.5 trillion package in a bid to pacify moderates and spending hawks.

The White House and Democratic leaders are weighing attaching or strengthening income caps to a number of key agenda items, according to two officials familiar with the discussions.

I hope the the child tax credit income caps are $150,000 per household because what it is now is ridiculous. Why are people making $400,000 getting paid $1,200/month for four children?

As long as families with two healthy adult parents but only have one income (ie having a stay at home parent), we should not be penalizing high income households. If the government can subsidize the life choices of those who dont want to work, they can also provide benefit to those who do work.

If one person is choosing not to work that's on them. But the household is still making $400,000. There is no reason the income limits are this high.

Sure there is. People making $400k have expenses too. What makes your arbitrary cutoff number better than $400k?

Oh yeah, the government needs to subsidize your speedboat, $1 million house, and everything else. Please.

I get that poor and stupid people think that $400k is filthy rich, but comments like this don’t prove much of anything beyond the fact that you work as a walmart greeter. $400k HHI is not rich in any major city in this country.

Oh, sweetie. Yes. It is.
Just because you can't have everything you want doesn't mean you aren't rich.

Agreed. I make ~$400k. My family and I live very comfortably in the DC area. I never have to worry about going to the doctor because I can’t afford the copay, I can afford childcare for my kids, I live in a neighborhood with ample grocery stores and easy access to public transport, I am surrounded by great public schools. And the percentage of taxes I pay on investments and portions of my income are lower than many people making half of what I do. That’s not ok - that’s the rich keeping the rich, rich and the poor poor.

We have a shrinking middle class and that literally threatens the American way of life.

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Anonymous wrote:The $3.5T bill is ridiculous. It's not clear what is in it and no way to balance it with future revenue. We are spending money like it grows on trees.

Limits and cuts are coming.

Late last week Biden held marathon meetings with nearly two dozen progressive and moderate lawmakers to get his agenda passed.

He's now considering limits to tuition-free community college and universal childcare to cut down the massive, progressive-backed $3.5 trillion package in a bid to pacify moderates and spending hawks.

The White House and Democratic leaders are weighing attaching or strengthening income caps to a number of key agenda items, according to two officials familiar with the discussions.

I hope the the child tax credit income caps are $150,000 per household because what it is now is ridiculous. Why are people making $400,000 getting paid $1,200/month for four children?

As long as families with two healthy adult parents but only have one income (ie having a stay at home parent), we should not be penalizing high income households. If the government can subsidize the life choices of those who dont want to work, they can also provide benefit to those who do work.

If one person is choosing not to work that's on them. But the household is still making $400,000. There is no reason the income limits are this high.

Sure there is. People making $400k have expenses too. What makes your arbitrary cutoff number better than $400k?

Oh yeah, the government needs to subsidize your speedboat, $1 million house, and everything else. Please.

I get that poor and stupid people think that $400k is filthy rich, but comments like this don’t prove much of anything beyond the fact that you work as a walmart greeter. $400k HHI is not rich in any major city in this country.

Oh, sweetie. Yes. It is.
Just because you can't have everything you want doesn't mean you aren't rich.

Agreed. I make ~$400k. My family and I live very comfortably in the DC area. I never have to worry about going to the doctor because I can’t afford the copay, I can afford childcare for my kids, I live in a neighborhood with ample grocery stores and easy access to public transport, I am surrounded by great public schools. And the percentage of taxes I pay on investments and portions of my income are lower than many people making half of what I do. That’s not ok - that’s the rich keeping the rich, rich and the poor poor.

We have a shrinking middle class and that literally threatens the American way of life.

And, yet.... If Biden has his way, you will get child care, pre-school, and college all at the taxpayer's expense.
And, you will continue to get "child care tax payments" until your children are 18.
Does this make sense?

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Anonymous wrote:Is he just completely nuts? Is that the deal? This would help out his state so much and he’s acting like his president is demanding three kinds of candy at the checkout lane. - an actual moderate Democrat

Manchin knows he has a losing hand, especially now that McConnell is capitulating on the debt limit, and is trying to save face.

Are you delusional?

A - McConnell called Manchin and Sinema before he even announced that deal. They approved it

B - The debt ceiling and government shutdown have both been punted to December. Guess what else ends in December? The child tax credit.

The progressives are in a lose-lose situation. If they push it now for more than Manchin’s offer - the entire deal blows up. If they wait till Christmas - it’ll all blow up and expire anyway.

Plus small tip - the Senate gets reaaaalll cranky around Christmas. They do not want to be here in session for any reason. Let alone reconciliation.

Manchin had been holding a hard line against all three. Now he says he’ll give them one, which means he’s actually willing to give in on more than that. Manchin lost this round and he knows it.

He lost but the progressives who started at $6 trillion are now down to $1.5 trillion and only one of their entitlement programs won? Please. Manchin has them by the balls.

+1 😂

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Schumer just isn't very good at this Senate Leader thing.....
Hopefully, he won't have to do it much longer.

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Such sour grapes by Manchin. Everything he said in that second video indicates his upset should be with Republicans but instead he turns his fire on Democrats for highlighting how problematic Republicans’ behavior was. He sounds so childish.

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Such sour grapes by Manchin. Everything he said in that second video indicates his upset should be with Republicans but instead he turns his fire on Democrats for highlighting how problematic Republicans’ behavior was. He sounds so childish.

Schumer is driving his members away.
How far will they go? Declare as Independents? As Republicans?
Schumer needs his vote. Sinema's too. But, the Democratic Senators are doing little to win either of them over.

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Such sour grapes by Manchin. Everything he said in that second video indicates his upset should be with Republicans but instead he turns his fire on Democrats for highlighting how problematic Republicans’ behavior was. He sounds so childish.

Schumer is driving his members away.
How far will they go? Declare as Independents? As Republicans?
Schumer needs his vote. Sinema's too. But, the Democratic Senators are doing little to win either of them over.

The only Democrats Schumer is driving away are the ones who are actually Republicans.

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Such sour grapes by Manchin. Everything he said in that second video indicates his upset should be with Republicans but instead he turns his fire on Democrats for highlighting how problematic Republicans’ behavior was. He sounds so childish.

Schumer is driving his members away.
How far will they go? Declare as Independents? As Republicans?
Schumer needs his vote. Sinema's too. But, the Democratic Senators are doing little to win either of them over.

Schumer is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. He has a chance to get two major pieces of legislation done AND keep Congress in 2022 - but he needs to compromise. Does anyone really think the Progressives are going to vote with the GOP to oppose a lower set of bills? Are they that spiteful and childish? If so, they're no better than the GOP.

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Good for McConnell for calling out Schumer on his divisive rant and giving Biden the heads up that Republicans will not be a party to any more of their dysfunction.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for McConnell for calling out Schumer on his divisive rant and giving Biden the heads up that Republicans will not be a party to any more of their dysfunction.

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And both Schumer and Biden laughed at McConnell because they know how things really work and that McConnell is just posturing to try to save face after he got embarrassed by both the Democrats and the Republicans.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for McConnell for calling out Schumer on his divisive rant and giving Biden the heads up that Republicans will not be a party to any more of their dysfunction.

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And both Schumer and Biden laughed at McConnell because they know how things really work and that McConnell is just posturing to try to save face after he got embarrassed by both the Democrats and the Republicans.

Actually, McConnell did what Manchin requested. Manchin had no problem burning a reconciliation bill to raise the debt ceiling. However, Schumer wouldn't do it, leaving the only option being to change the filibuster rules. Manchin had committed not to do so, and thus McConnell did Manchin a favor (and showed more willingness to compromise than Schumer). It's a favor tht will likely be a NO vote until the pricetag is$1.5T or less.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for McConnell for calling out Schumer on his divisive rant and giving Biden the heads up that Republicans will not be a party to any more of their dysfunction.

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And both Schumer and Biden laughed at McConnell because they know how things really work and that McConnell is just posturing to try to save face after he got embarrassed by both the Democrats and the Republicans.

Actually, McConnell did what Manchin requested. Manchin had no problem burning a reconciliation bill to raise the debt ceiling. However, Schumer wouldn't do it, leaving the only option being to change the filibuster rules. Manchin had committed not to do so, and thus McConnell did Manchin a favor (and showed more willingness to compromise than Schumer). It's a favor tht will likely be a NO vote until the pricetag is$1.5T or less.

Also, Manchin has no love for Schumer after his little floor speech. Biden and Schumer might be laughing at McConnell, bit they're missing the big picture. Everything hinges on Manchin, and neither has endeared themselves to him. Combine that with Biden saying what he did about Sinema's bathroom harassment, and you have a recipe for Democratic failure.

Schumer needs to learn respect for members of his own party, not Progressive activists on Twitter.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for McConnell for calling out Schumer on his divisive rant and giving Biden the heads up that Republicans will not be a party to any more of their dysfunction.

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And both Schumer and Biden laughed at McConnell because they know how things really work and that McConnell is just posturing to try to save face after he got embarrassed by both the Democrats and the Republicans.

Actually, McConnell did what Manchin requested. Manchin had no problem burning a reconciliation bill to raise the debt ceiling. However, Schumer wouldn't do it, leaving the only option being to change the filibuster rules. Manchin had committed not to do so, and thus McConnell did Manchin a favor (and showed more willingness to compromise than Schumer). It's a favor tht will likely be a NO vote until the pricetag is$1.5T or less.

Also, Manchin has no love for Schumer after his little floor speech. Biden and Schumer might be laughing at McConnell, bit they're missing the big picture. Everything hinges on Manchin, and neither has endeared themselves to him. Combine that with Biden saying what he did about Sinema's bathroom harassment, and you have a recipe for Democratic failure.

Schumer needs to learn respect for members of his own party, not Progressive activists on Twitter.

Manchin has steadfastly refused to work constructively with his party. They tolerate him (and Sinema) to keep the majority, but they don’t respect him or trust him to act in good faith. They know who Manchin’s really bought and paid by.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for McConnell for calling out Schumer on his divisive rant and giving Biden the heads up that Republicans will not be a party to any more of their dysfunction.

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And both Schumer and Biden laughed at McConnell because they know how things really work and that McConnell is just posturing to try to save face after he got embarrassed by both the Democrats and the Republicans.

Actually, McConnell did what Manchin requested. Manchin had no problem burning a reconciliation bill to raise the debt ceiling. However, Schumer wouldn't do it, leaving the only option being to change the filibuster rules. Manchin had committed not to do so, and thus McConnell did Manchin a favor (and showed more willingness to compromise than Schumer). It's a favor tht will likely be a NO vote until the pricetag is$1.5T or less.

Also, Manchin has no love for Schumer after his little floor speech. Biden and Schumer might be laughing at McConnell, bit they're missing the big picture. Everything hinges on Manchin, and neither has endeared themselves to him. Combine that with Biden saying what he did about Sinema's bathroom harassment, and you have a recipe for Democratic failure.

Schumer needs to learn respect for members of his own party, not Progressive activists on Twitter.

Manchin has steadfastly refused to work constructively with his party. They tolerate him (and Sinema) to keep the majority, but they don’t respect him or trust him to act in good faith. They know who Manchin’s really bought and paid by.

You think only liberals can be Democrats??