Biden strikes out with King Manchin

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Anonymous wrote:Manchineel is like the tail that tries to wag the dog. In response the over hundred democratic representatives in the house issue an ultimatum to Manchineel and Senema. Either they support the 3.5 trillion proposal or they will see the bipartisan infrastructure deal they put together will fail in the House.

Who do you think holds the winning cards in this scenario? You seem to think it's the reps that issued an ultimatum threatening to tank the bipartisan bill, but this is wrong. In fact, the public will judge democrats harshly if they tank a bipartisan bill with broad support because they didn't get their wishlist of stuff that doesn't enjoy as much support. Seems to me that Biden and Sinema know this.

That plus Sinema and Manchin answer to a different public that the liberal metropolis. As I recall Sinema is the sole reason the $15/hr national minimum wage failed and she's still in office. No protests in Arizona.

Meanwhile Manchin rules West Virginia.

Their voters don't want this. They don't want a $3.5 trillion 'infrastructure' plan. They offered to come down to $1.5 trillion which is fair.

Sine a and Manchin were part of the Senate bipartisan team that spearheaded the Senate passed version. Why? Because their constituents want it. That is the leverage to use on them by the House progressives. Also, Sienna and Manchin want about 1.5 trillion infracture spending through budget resolution. Why? Because their constituents want safety net items (may be with means testing, but they want them). That is another leverage on the two senators. Mind you, Dems have slim margin in the House. It is near impossibility to bring along over 100 progressives for a 1.5 trillion proposal. Many progressives come from very blue constituencies. Sienna and Manchin will, in the end, come around to agreeing for 3 trillion figure (a reduction of 0.5 trillion) and declare victory.

I think they’ll settle closer to $2 trillion. I look forward to the cuts. As far as I remember the Finance committee go a un-prescribed blank check for $1 trillion and $800 billion alone is for paid leave and pre-school. Plus $300 billion for immigrants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't really matter.

Republicans will just gut it extensively when they take back the House next year. I'm looking forward to months-long government shutdown between Biden and a large Republican majority.

Republicans already shot in one foot by hitching their wagon to Trump, anti-vaxers and anti-maskers. Wait for winter and see what Covid would do to unvaccinated people. I doubt if majority of independents and suburban women will vote for Republicans to give them majority in the House or Senate. Abortion restrictions will be a shot in the other foot for Republicans.

Look at current polling.

Not encouraging. Democratic support among independents have gone south substantially. Even the Democrats acknowledge it. That's why they're rushing to do as much as quickly as possible, before next year's expected losses.

Remember, it's not what you want. There's a lot of truth to that Biden was elected solely because he wasn't Trump and there is no real mandate for the enormous scale of spending.

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By 2022 November, when people experience some benefits of Dems’ investing, economy in blue states doing relatively well, schools and businesses staying more open than not in blue states, then the election results will make Republicans again falsely screaming “rigged elections”. There are many silent republicans who oppose the present state of affairs in Republican Party. You think many of there silent Republicans answer pollsters, on phone or in person?

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I wonder if Biden could get anyone to cross over. Pull infrastructure spending from WV and out it somewhere else. Lisa Murkowski has certainly shown herself to be willing to go against her party. And she has close ties to Native American populations in AK. That was a big reason for her vote against Lavanaugh. His past decisions unfavorable to Native American.

Maybe she gets some serious $$$ Alaska reservations or infrastructure programs to support cruise ships and tourism and WV gets screwed. It would probably help her in re-election.

It’s time for Manchin to stop running the party. WV sitting there while money is diverted elsewhere might change his attitude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Manchineel is like the tail that tries to wag the dog. In response the over hundred democratic representatives in the house issue an ultimatum to Manchineel and Senema. Either they support the 3.5 trillion proposal or they will see the bipartisan infrastructure deal they put together will fail in the House.

Who do you think holds the winning cards in this scenario? You seem to think it's the reps that issued an ultimatum threatening to tank the bipartisan bill, but this is wrong. In fact, the public will judge democrats harshly if they tank a bipartisan bill with broad support because they didn't get their wishlist of stuff that doesn't enjoy as much support. Seems to me that Biden and Sinema know this.

That plus Sinema and Manchin answer to a different public that the liberal metropolis. As I recall Sinema is the sole reason the $15/hr national minimum wage failed and she's still in office. No protests in Arizona.

Meanwhile Manchin rules West Virginia.

Their voters don't want this. They don't want a $3.5 trillion 'infrastructure' plan. They offered to come down to $1.5 trillion which is fair.

Well other can play the spoiler. I hear the progressive will not vote for the the bill. So no bill, no infrastructure plan. We all know conservatives are totally dependent on big government spending. It’s the only thing propping up their failed states.

[Anonymous]

Lisa Murcovsky is more reliable than Susan Collins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Manchineel is like the tail that tries to wag the dog. In response the over hundred democratic representatives in the house issue an ultimatum to Manchineel and Senema. Either they support the 3.5 trillion proposal or they will see the bipartisan infrastructure deal they put together will fail in the House.

Who do you think holds the winning cards in this scenario? You seem to think it's the reps that issued an ultimatum threatening to tank the bipartisan bill, but this is wrong. In fact, the public will judge democrats harshly if they tank a bipartisan bill with broad support because they didn't get their wishlist of stuff that doesn't enjoy as much support. Seems to me that Biden and Sinema know this.

That plus Sinema and Manchin answer to a different public that the liberal metropolis. As I recall Sinema is the sole reason the $15/hr national minimum wage failed and she's still in office. No protests in Arizona.

Meanwhile Manchin rules West Virginia.

Their voters don't want this. They don't want a $3.5 trillion 'infrastructure' plan. They offered to come down to $1.5 trillion which is fair.

Well other can play the spoiler. I hear the progressive will not vote for the the bill. So no bill, no infrastructure plan. We all know conservatives are totally dependent on big government spending. It’s the only thing propping up their failed states.

… did you miss the point where the GOP doesn’t care and didn’t want this Infrastructure in the first place?

They’ll dance on Biden’s grave as his first major legislative failure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't really matter.

Republicans will just gut it extensively when they take back the House next year. I'm looking forward to months-long government shutdown between Biden and a large Republican majority.

Republicans already shot in one foot by hitching their wagon to Trump, anti-vaxers and anti-maskers. Wait for winter and see what Covid would do to unvaccinated people. I doubt if majority of independents and suburban women will vote for Republicans to give them majority in the House or Senate. Abortion restrictions will be a shot in the other foot for Republicans.

Look at current polling.

Not encouraging. Democratic support among independents have gone south substantially. Even the Democrats acknowledge it. That's why they're rushing to do as much as quickly as possible, before next year's expected losses.

Remember, it's not what you want. There's a lot of truth to that Biden was elected solely because he wasn't Trump and there is no real mandate for the enormous scale of spending.

Liar. Republicans just lie lie lie lie lie. People support the Democratic agenda. Just because you want to imagine that “trickle down” is still a viable political option in terms of what people actually want, not just what the GOP pols and their owners want, doesn’t mean that anyone wants it. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/565958-poll-shows-broad-support-for-bipartisan-infrastructure-bill

[Anonymous]

Keep it going Manchin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What would LBJ do with manchin?

Has Biden tried unzipping and pulling it out to show who is bigger and demonstrating dominance?

That would be the Democrat Bill Clinton's style. Not Biden's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't really matter.

Republicans will just gut it extensively when they take back the House next year. I'm looking forward to months-long government shutdown between Biden and a large Republican majority.

Republicans already shot in one foot by hitching their wagon to Trump, anti-vaxers and anti-maskers. Wait for winter and see what Covid would do to unvaccinated people. I doubt if majority of independents and suburban women will vote for Republicans to give them majority in the House or Senate. Abortion restrictions will be a shot in the other foot for Republicans.

You seem familiar with the word "lie."😃

Look at current polling.

Not encouraging. Democratic support among independents have gone south substantially. Even the Democrats acknowledge it. That's why they're rushing to do as much as quickly as possible, before next year's expected losses.

Remember, it's not what you want. There's a lot of truth to that Biden was elected solely because he wasn't Trump and there is no real mandate for the enormous scale of spending.

Liar. Republicans just lie lie lie lie lie. People support the Democratic agenda. Just because you want to imagine that “trickle down” is still a viable political option in terms of what people actually want, not just what the GOP pols and their owners want, doesn’t mean that anyone wants it. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/565958-poll-shows-broad-support-for-bipartisan-infrastructure-bill

[Anonymous]

The house vote on the infrastructure bill on September 27 is going to be very interesting. Manchin seems to think he can shot down the house prog bill and they will still vote for his bill. What’s he going to do when they nix it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Manchineel is like the tail that tries to wag the dog. In response the over hundred democratic representatives in the house issue an ultimatum to Manchineel and Senema. Either they support the 3.5 trillion proposal or they will see the bipartisan infrastructure deal they put together will fail in the House.

Who do you think holds the winning cards in this scenario? You seem to think it's the reps that issued an ultimatum threatening to tank the bipartisan bill, but this is wrong. In fact, the public will judge democrats harshly if they tank a bipartisan bill with broad support because they didn't get their wishlist of stuff that doesn't enjoy as much support. Seems to me that Biden and Sinema know this.

It will only go down if most republicans also vote against it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Manchineel is like the tail that tries to wag the dog. In response the over hundred democratic representatives in the house issue an ultimatum to Manchineel and Senema. Either they support the 3.5 trillion proposal or they will see the bipartisan infrastructure deal they put together will fail in the House.

Who do you think holds the winning cards in this scenario? You seem to think it's the reps that issued an ultimatum threatening to tank the bipartisan bill, but this is wrong. In fact, the public will judge democrats harshly if they tank a bipartisan bill with broad support because they didn't get their wishlist of stuff that doesn't enjoy as much support. Seems to me that Biden and Sinema know this.

None of the house progressives will lose their seats by tanking the infrastructure bill. They come from safe blue districts. The people in jeopardy if that bill fails are the centrist Democrats like Manchin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would LBJ do with manchin?

Has Biden tried unzipping and pulling it out to show who is bigger and demonstrating dominance?

That would be the Democrat Bill Clinton's style. Not Biden's.

How big is bill?