Biden strikes out with King Manchin

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Anonymous wrote:The $3.5T bill is ridiculous. It's not clear what is in it and no way to balance it with future revenue. We are spending money like it grows on trees.

Limits and cuts are coming.

Late last week Biden held marathon meetings with nearly two dozen progressive and moderate lawmakers to get his agenda passed.

He's now considering limits to tuition-free community college and universal childcare to cut down the massive, progressive-backed $3.5 trillion package in a bid to pacify moderates and spending hawks.

The White House and Democratic leaders are weighing attaching or strengthening income caps to a number of key agenda items, according to two officials familiar with the discussions.

I hope the the child tax credit income caps are $150,000 per household because what it is now is ridiculous. Why are people making $400,000 getting paid $1,200/month for four children?

As long as families with two healthy adult parents but only have one income (ie having a stay at home parent), we should not be penalizing high income households. If the government can subsidize the life choices of those who dont want to work, they can also provide benefit to those who do work.

If one person is choosing not to work that's on them. But the household is still making $400,000. There is no reason the income limits are this high.

Sure there is. People making $400k have expenses too. What makes your arbitrary cutoff number better than $400k?

Oh yeah, the government needs to subsidize your speedboat, $1 million house, and everything else. Please.

I get that poor and stupid people think that $400k is filthy rich, but comments like this don’t prove much of anything beyond the fact that you work as a walmart greeter. $400k HHI is not rich in any major city in this country.

The fact that you choose to live in a major city is your problem not your fellow taxpayers

Sweet, can we stop subsidizing everyone else first?

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Anonymous wrote:The $3.5T bill is ridiculous. It's not clear what is in it and no way to balance it with future revenue. We are spending money like it grows on trees.

Limits and cuts are coming.

Late last week Biden held marathon meetings with nearly two dozen progressive and moderate lawmakers to get his agenda passed.

He's now considering limits to tuition-free community college and universal childcare to cut down the massive, progressive-backed $3.5 trillion package in a bid to pacify moderates and spending hawks.

The White House and Democratic leaders are weighing attaching or strengthening income caps to a number of key agenda items, according to two officials familiar with the discussions.

I hope the the child tax credit income caps are $150,000 per household because what it is now is ridiculous. Why are people making $400,000 getting paid $1,200/month for four children?

As long as families with two healthy adult parents but only have one income (ie having a stay at home parent), we should not be penalizing high income households. If the government can subsidize the life choices of those who dont want to work, they can also provide benefit to those who do work.

If one person is choosing not to work that's on them. But the household is still making $400,000. There is no reason the income limits are this high.

Sure there is. People making $400k have expenses too. What makes your arbitrary cutoff number better than $400k?

Oh yeah, the government needs to subsidize your speedboat, $1 million house, and everything else. Please.

I get that poor and stupid people think that $400k is filthy rich, but comments like this don’t prove much of anything beyond the fact that you work as a walmart greeter. $400k HHI is not rich in any major city in this country.

Oh, sweetie. Yes. It is.
Just because you can't have everything you want doesn't mean you aren't rich.

+1. 400k is quite rich. What are you blowing your money on PPP? My husband makes a fraction of that and I SAH and even we still are able to live comfortably and save a nice cushion at the same time. We live within our means and most purchases are needs rather than wants (and being savers, we've had the pleasure of being screwed over by the govt that hates savers and rewards spenders).

Where do you live?

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you Manchin

Lol this is amazing and the kind of commonsense that the majority of people in the country nod their heads to, regardless if they’re democrats or republicans. I’m still cracking up at Bernie trying to make “2 senators are stopping the will of 48” happen. Can’t make it up 😂

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Thank you Manchin. You want your kids, you pay for them. No free pre-school, free childcare, free leave, free everything. We're already paying for 15 years of schooling and 70% of all meals consumed by kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you Manchin. You want your kids, you pay for them. No free pre-school, free childcare, free leave, free everything. We're already paying for 15 years of schooling and 70% of all meals consumed by kids.

In other words: as as long you just give birth, we do not care about those kids.

Dumbo, it's not free pre-school, free childcare for nothing. Helping struggling parents/single women helps in growing better citizens...but what should we expect from cruel right-wing nuts! BTW, I am way past child-rearing age and did not need help doing it, which does not mean that I do not see the value in helping others.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you Manchin. You want your kids, you pay for them. No free pre-school, free childcare, free leave, free everything. We're already paying for 15 years of schooling and 70% of all meals consumed by kids.

In other words: as as long you just give birth, we do not care about those kids.

Dumbo, it's not free pre-school, free childcare for nothing. Helping struggling parents/single women helps in growing better citizens...but what should we expect from cruel right-wing nuts! BTW, I am way past child-rearing age and did not need help doing it, which does not mean that I do not see the value in helping others.

There is no guarantee these kids will be 'better citizens'. Some kids in the wealthiest neighborhoods and communities in the U.S. are the most prolific school shooters. Your kid could be a Brian Laundrie or a Elliot Rodger. Regardless I'm not paying for extraneous efforts for no reason. Save and scrimp and stop expecting to be boosted if you have a $400K income.

- moderate Dem

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Is he just completely nuts? Is that the deal? This would help out his state so much and he’s acting like his president is demanding three kinds of candy at the checkout lane. - an actual moderate Democrat

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Anonymous wrote:Is he just completely nuts? Is that the deal? This would help out his state so much and he’s acting like his president is demanding three kinds of candy at the checkout lane. - an actual moderate Democrat

Ahahaha damned straight!! Right on Manchin. Pick one progressives or lose them all.

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Anonymous wrote:Is he just completely nuts? Is that the deal? This would help out his state so much and he’s acting like his president is demanding three kinds of candy at the checkout lane. - an actual moderate Democrat

Manchin knows he has a losing hand, especially now that McConnell is capitulating on the debt limit, and is trying to save face.

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Anonymous wrote:Is he just completely nuts? Is that the deal? This would help out his state so much and he’s acting like his president is demanding three kinds of candy at the checkout lane. - an actual moderate Democrat

Manchin knows he has a losing hand, especially now that McConnell is capitulating on the debt limit, and is trying to save face.

Are you delusional?

A - McConnell called Manchin and Sinema before he even announced that deal. They approved it

B - The debt ceiling and government shutdown have both been punted to December. Guess what else ends in December? The child tax credit.

The progressives are in a lose-lose situation. If they push it now for more than Manchin’s offer - the entire deal blows up. If they wait till Christmas - it’ll all blow up and expire anyway.

Plus small tip - the Senate gets reaaaalll cranky around Christmas. They do not want to be here in session for any reason. Let alone reconciliation.

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Anonymous wrote:Is he just completely nuts? Is that the deal? This would help out his state so much and he’s acting like his president is demanding three kinds of candy at the checkout lane. - an actual moderate Democrat

Manchin knows he has a losing hand, especially now that McConnell is capitulating on the debt limit, and is trying to save face.

Are you delusional?

A - McConnell called Manchin and Sinema before he even announced that deal. They approved it

B - The debt ceiling and government shutdown have both been punted to December. Guess what else ends in December? The child tax credit.

The progressives are in a lose-lose situation. If they push it now for more than Manchin’s offer - the entire deal blows up. If they wait till Christmas - it’ll all blow up and expire anyway.

Plus small tip - the Senate gets reaaaalll cranky around Christmas. They do not want to be here in session for any reason. Let alone reconciliation.

Manchin had been holding a hard line against all three. Now he says he’ll give them one, which means he’s actually willing to give in on more than that. Manchin lost this round and he knows it.

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Anonymous wrote:Is he just completely nuts? Is that the deal? This would help out his state so much and he’s acting like his president is demanding three kinds of candy at the checkout lane. - an actual moderate Democrat

Manchin knows he has a losing hand, especially now that McConnell is capitulating on the debt limit, and is trying to save face.

Are you delusional?

A - McConnell called Manchin and Sinema before he even announced that deal. They approved it

B - The debt ceiling and government shutdown have both been punted to December. Guess what else ends in December? The child tax credit.

The progressives are in a lose-lose situation. If they push it now for more than Manchin’s offer - the entire deal blows up. If they wait till Christmas - it’ll all blow up and expire anyway.

Plus small tip - the Senate gets reaaaalll cranky around Christmas. They do not want to be here in session for any reason. Let alone reconciliation.

Manchin had been holding a hard line against all three. Now he says he’ll give them one, which means he’s actually willing to give in on more than that. Manchin lost this round and he knows it.

He lost but the progressives who started at $6 trillion are now down to $1.5 trillion and only one of their entitlement programs won? Please. Manchin has them by the balls.

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Sense from a House member? I’m shocked.

https://www.pressherald.com/2021/10/07/jared-golden-build-back-better-bill-needs-more-work-to-get-my-vote/
The draft proposal also fails to target policies to those most in need. For instance, while the CTC is a worthy program, the current proposal would continue to provide this tax benefit to some households that make as much as $520,000 per year.

Another example is a new tax credit for electric vehicles purchases, which would provide tax breaks to families making all the way up to $800,000 a year. Both of these programs are among those that should be more responsibly targeted to working and middle class families.

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LOL

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