Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

[Anonymous]

Why Arlington county hasnt send any information regarding coronavirus to all schools yet? as i know Fairfax county already did. thanks

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Anonymous wrote:I have a question. The Chinese CDC reported something like 1400 new cases and 250 severe cases of corona virus today.

What does it mean clinically for a case to be severe? Requiring breathing assistance?

Presumably the truly mild cases don’t even get reported or tested.

In typical flu seasons n, how many cases of flu that present at a hospital would be severe?

Excellent questions...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My niece was here this past weekend. She’s a pharmacist and has studied in China. She had strep, and had to go to the hospital for testing (note not a local doctor, school doc, etc). She said the hospital had blood on the floor and dirty, tattered blankets given from person to person. NOT the same standards as here in the US or Europe. She ended up getting a yeast infection from the antibiotic, had to go BACK to the hospital to get treated. Here, we’d go by OTC yeast cream at CVS or similar. She said the process was so complicated to simply get treated for a yeast infection she nearly stole the cream from the pharmacy at the hospital. She just wanted to get OUT of that filthy place. And this was in a large city, not a rural town.

Now ask yourself why there’s such pandemonium, death, and spread in China. You will NOT see the same problems here. I think, too, people are forgetting that the flu pandemic happened in 1918 when the medical care, etc was not nearly as advanced as it is here.

Look how studied this already is in our Western countries. It’s nothing short of remarkable how fast our country has mobilized to attack this.

THIS. A lot of people acting like chicken little here simply cannot comprehend what it's like for medical care in the eastern world, even in the big cities or the "nicer" hospitals. The whole -- OMG it's going to be soooo bad in America when it happens that maybe it's better to get it now when there's only a few cases (WTF?? that theory circulated here yesterday) -- seems to ignore the fact that in the US NO hospital -- not even a small town one passes around sheets and blankets from person to person unless they've first been laundered at x degrees for y timeframe -- all of which are required guidelines. To say nothing about healthcare professionals changing gloves and masks like every 2 seconds when they go patient to patient; in the scenes we're seeing in China the drs. are in biohazard suits yet I wouldn't be surprised at all if they are just wearing those suits for their own protection but then going person to person with the same gloves etc. on -- thus infecting someone with a lesser virus with this one. It's also why I don't get why people there are standing shoulder to shoulder in hospitals "to get checked." Don't they risk catching it between just the crowds and also the lack of infection control by whoever is seeing them? But I think a lot of it is cultural -- there are definitely eastern cultures where the DOCTOR'S definitive word is what matters . . . if he says they're ok, then they must be ok to say nothing of the fact that they just spent hours in large crowds and the guy who ok-ed them may or may not have been wearing those gloves all morning.

Somewhat surprisingly, there are not that many general practitioners in China and very few stand alone clinics/doctors' offices. So people go to hospitals, which we know are huge vectors of disease, for everything.

That's exactly what my niece said. Never mind the dorm she stayed in at the university was also filthy, from the linens to the toilets. They didn't clean from the last student being there - the last girl's hair was even on the linens they provided her (my niece took her own). Her texts back to all of us were hilarious while she was there (she has a great sense of humor).

My friend kept telling me how safe and clean it was but he was staying in a five star hotel and hired private tour guides, etc. Told me the same thing about how safe his hotel was in Capetown South Africa and Tulum and got mad at me when I researched and and said that both had armed guards and extra security. My guess is a lot of folk are surprised because they also received the five star tour treatment and have NO idea what China is like for day-to-day living

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My niece was here this past weekend. She’s a pharmacist and has studied in China. She had strep, and had to go to the hospital for testing (note not a local doctor, school doc, etc). She said the hospital had blood on the floor and dirty, tattered blankets given from person to person. NOT the same standards as here in the US or Europe. She ended up getting a yeast infection from the antibiotic, had to go BACK to the hospital to get treated. Here, we’d go by OTC yeast cream at CVS or similar. She said the process was so complicated to simply get treated for a yeast infection she nearly stole the cream from the pharmacy at the hospital. She just wanted to get OUT of that filthy place. And this was in a large city, not a rural town.

Now ask yourself why there’s such pandemonium, death, and spread in China. You will NOT see the same problems here. I think, too, people are forgetting that the flu pandemic happened in 1918 when the medical care, etc was not nearly as advanced as it is here.

Look how studied this already is in our Western countries. It’s nothing short of remarkable how fast our country has mobilized to attack this.

THIS. A lot of people acting like chicken little here simply cannot comprehend what it's like for medical care in the eastern world, even in the big cities or the "nicer" hospitals. The whole -- OMG it's going to be soooo bad in America when it happens that maybe it's better to get it now when there's only a few cases (WTF?? that theory circulated here yesterday) -- seems to ignore the fact that in the US NO hospital -- not even a small town one passes around sheets and blankets from person to person unless they've first been laundered at x degrees for y timeframe -- all of which are required guidelines. To say nothing about healthcare professionals changing gloves and masks like every 2 seconds when they go patient to patient; in the scenes we're seeing in China the drs. are in biohazard suits yet I wouldn't be surprised at all if they are just wearing those suits for their own protection but then going person to person with the same gloves etc. on -- thus infecting someone with a lesser virus with this one. It's also why I don't get why people there are standing shoulder to shoulder in hospitals "to get checked." Don't they risk catching it between just the crowds and also the lack of infection control by whoever is seeing them? But I think a lot of it is cultural -- there are definitely eastern cultures where the DOCTOR'S definitive word is what matters . . . if he says they're ok, then they must be ok to say nothing of the fact that they just spent hours in large crowds and the guy who ok-ed them may or may not have been wearing those gloves all morning.

While I appreciate the sentiment, I also feel like maybe you've never been to the Children's ER in the middle of the night during flu season ... I was there in December for a croup attack with my child and it was elbow to elbow with sick kids and disorganized/understaffed. Was later told this was due to two trauma patients being flown in, but if that's all it takes to tap out of capacity, then it's in fact hard to see how the system would work all that well in a pandemic here.

Most small regional hospitals would be quickly overwhelmed by as little as 10 highly infectious critically ill patients. Larger, non-major trauma center hospitals by 50 such patients. Some hospitals would need to discharge some recovering patients quicker.

Still better than the developing world. I worked on a cholera outbreak in a small Andean hospital (50 beds). People were on blankets in the hallways by day 2. By day 3, people were outside the hospital. Ran out of basic supplies for rehydration soon after. People without well family members to tend to them died the fastest.

Small Andean Hospital vs small US hospital

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a question. The Chinese CDC reported something like 1400 new cases and 250 severe cases of corona virus today.

What does it mean clinically for a case to be severe? Requiring breathing assistance?

Presumably the truly mild cases don’t even get reported or tested.

In typical flu seasons n, how many cases of flu that present at a hospital would be severe?

Excellent questions...

I read somewhere 1000 was severe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My niece was here this past weekend. She’s a pharmacist and has studied in China. She had strep, and had to go to the hospital for testing (note not a local doctor, school doc, etc). She said the hospital had blood on the floor and dirty, tattered blankets given from person to person. NOT the same standards as here in the US or Europe. She ended up getting a yeast infection from the antibiotic, had to go BACK to the hospital to get treated. Here, we’d go by OTC yeast cream at CVS or similar. She said the process was so complicated to simply get treated for a yeast infection she nearly stole the cream from the pharmacy at the hospital. She just wanted to get OUT of that filthy place. And this was in a large city, not a rural town.

Now ask yourself why there’s such pandemonium, death, and spread in China. You will NOT see the same problems here. I think, too, people are forgetting that the flu pandemic happened in 1918 when the medical care, etc was not nearly as advanced as it is here.

Look how studied this already is in our Western countries. It’s nothing short of remarkable how fast our country has mobilized to attack this.

THIS. A lot of people acting like chicken little here simply cannot comprehend what it's like for medical care in the eastern world, even in the big cities or the "nicer" hospitals. The whole -- OMG it's going to be soooo bad in America when it happens that maybe it's better to get it now when there's only a few cases (WTF?? that theory circulated here yesterday) -- seems to ignore the fact that in the US NO hospital -- not even a small town one passes around sheets and blankets from person to person unless they've first been laundered at x degrees for y timeframe -- all of which are required guidelines. To say nothing about healthcare professionals changing gloves and masks like every 2 seconds when they go patient to patient; in the scenes we're seeing in China the drs. are in biohazard suits yet I wouldn't be surprised at all if they are just wearing those suits for their own protection but then going person to person with the same gloves etc. on -- thus infecting someone with a lesser virus with this one. It's also why I don't get why people there are standing shoulder to shoulder in hospitals "to get checked." Don't they risk catching it between just the crowds and also the lack of infection control by whoever is seeing them? But I think a lot of it is cultural -- there are definitely eastern cultures where the DOCTOR'S definitive word is what matters . . . if he says they're ok, then they must be ok to say nothing of the fact that they just spent hours in large crowds and the guy who ok-ed them may or may not have been wearing those gloves all morning.

Somewhat surprisingly, there are not that many general practitioners in China and very few stand alone clinics/doctors' offices. So people go to hospitals, which we know are huge vectors of disease, for everything.

That's exactly what my niece said. Never mind the dorm she stayed in at the university was also filthy, from the linens to the toilets. They didn't clean from the last student being there - the last girl's hair was even on the linens they provided her (my niece took her own). Her texts back to all of us were hilarious while she was there (she has a great sense of humor).

My friend kept telling me how safe and clean it was but he was staying in a five star hotel and hired private tour guides, etc. Told me the same thing about how safe his hotel was in Capetown South Africa and Tulum and got mad at me when I researched and and said that both had armed guards and extra security. My guess is a lot of folk are surprised because they also received the five star tour treatment and have NO idea what China is like for day-to-day living

This is all extremely concerning. Thank you for posting.

[Anonymous]

Probably not effective but surely creative

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Coronavirus Infections Surpass SARS Epidemic

Jan. 29, 2020, at 9:46 a.m.


https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2020-01-29/wuhan-coronavirus-infections-surpass-sars-epidemic-in-china?context=amp

Well that happened fast.

It appears to be more infectious but less serious than SARS.

We really don't know anything yet how this develop as for some reason we don't hear about people who got well
and what does it mean? Any complications? Free of complications? What age, what health conditions.
Seems like China is not sharing much about this. Until we see how the cases here fare we won't know.

Coronavirus in China: 'Nowhere near as prepared as we need to be'

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4599870002

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a question. The Chinese CDC reported something like 1400 new cases and 250 severe cases of corona virus today.

What does it mean clinically for a case to be severe? Requiring breathing assistance?

Presumably the truly mild cases don’t even get reported or tested.

In typical flu seasons n, how many cases of flu that present at a hospital would be severe?

Excellent questions...

I read somewhere 1000 was severe.

This update was reporting new severe cases since yesterday. Not cumulative.

[Anonymous]

If you need a little smile video of a guy on a bike zooming in style in a trash bag aka full body gear.

https://twitter.com/twitpos/status/1222484869722198018

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why Arlington county hasnt send any information regarding coronavirus to all schools yet? as i know Fairfax county already did. thanks

Because it's too late, face masks are sold out online and in store already! And those Chinese factories aren't gonna ship any over in a looooooong time.

My friends in China can't even get masks, just talked to a friend in UK, masks are sold out too, she has a flight to Shanghai to catch o 2/15 but that flight probably will be canceled.

[Anonymous]

China extended their new year holiday to till 2/3, so this weekend is when millions migrant back to the major cities in China (they work in big cities, and only go home during the Chinese new year), can you imagine have millions and millions of people travel in s very short period of time? All packed in trains, places, buses...huge breakout is inevitable.

But don't worry, Xi declared "we must win this fight in 2 weeks", which means the actual outcome is irrelevant, they will declare victory soon, and then people will thank the communist party for saving their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Coronavirus Infections Surpass SARS Epidemic

Jan. 29, 2020, at 9:46 a.m.


https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2020-01-29/wuhan-coronavirus-infections-surpass-sars-epidemic-in-china?context=amp

Well that happened fast.

It appears to be more infectious but less serious than SARS.

More infectious and more serious than SARS.

How so?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why Arlington county hasnt send any information regarding coronavirus to all schools yet? as i know Fairfax county already did. thanks

I heard an email is going out today.

OMG - sooooooooo much drama. Just wash your hands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why Arlington county hasnt send any information regarding coronavirus to all schools yet? as i know Fairfax county already did. thanks

I heard an email is going out today.

OMG - sooooooooo much drama. Just wash your hands.

Is that why the photos we see have health providers in mask and somein hazmat suits?