Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)

[Anonymous]

The venue booked for Lindsay's legal defense fundraiser was canceled by the owner. They weren't aware the booking was for Lindsay.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why comments calling out Lindsay sympathizers for being racist are being deleted, except these same people are triggered for being rightfully called out. We all know what this case is about and it’s unacceptable in this day and age.

That’s a shame because I do appreciate the perspective that her race is a part of the sympathy. I don’t think race alone accounts for it - we all know that most mass shooters are white and don’t garner this sympathy - but I think it’s an important discussion. I’d like to say I’d extend the same sympathy if she was Black but then again, if she was Black I’d probably never hear about this case.

I think it’s a combination of demographic factors. If Clancy was living in a trailer on food stamps, this may just get passing mention in the news like the (sadly way too many) other cases of parents killing their kids. If she were black, this may still make the news if we’re talking about an attractive, UMC, well educated mom who posted cute photos on Instagram.

There’s definitely demographic biases going on though because people who have all the privileges she has don’t normally kill their kids.

People from any demographic don’t “normally kill their kids.” But if you look up all the cases listed previously in this thread only a couple of them are UMC. I think that’s the distinction more so than race (although race definitely plays a huge role too). The cases that get the most news coverage are of UMC people. The people that DCUM demographic would be more likely to sympathize with fit UMC demographic.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, now there is a GFM for Lindsay's legal fees:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/justice-for-lindsay-clancy

It’s against the terms of service. Can’t be used for legal defense of alleged violent crime.

https://medium.com/gofundme-stories/gofundme-policy-on-fundraisers-for-the-legal-defense-of-violent-crimes-975aff8ba5f6

Disgustingly, he can just channel it by funneling it through her parents and having her parents pay the legal fees. GFM is a scourge.

Her GFM was taken down thankfully. Before it was removed they deleted the legal fee language but luckily GFM took it down anyway. Her husband might not be so willing to pay her legal fees after hearing more details. He is going to need a lot of psychiatric help and unable to work for quite a while I would imagine. Maybe he will set up a charity in his kids’ name. So many better uses for the money than his wife’s legal fees.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why comments calling out Lindsay sympathizers for being racist are being deleted, except these same people are triggered for being rightfully called out. We all know what this case is about and it’s unacceptable in this day and age.

That’s a shame because I do appreciate the perspective that her race is a part of the sympathy. I don’t think race alone accounts for it - we all know that most mass shooters are white and don’t garner this sympathy - but I think it’s an important discussion. I’d like to say I’d extend the same sympathy if she was Black but then again, if she was Black I’d probably never hear about this case.

I’m not actually seeing much sympathy for Lindsay on this thread!

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why comments calling out Lindsay sympathizers for being racist are being deleted, except these same people are triggered for being rightfully called out. We all know what this case is about and it’s unacceptable in this day and age.

Well to be fair, race baiting comments are deleted from most of the threads here, in my experience.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet all the Lindsay sympathizers still believe that literally “anyone” could forget their kid in a hot car too.

That is completely different and, yes, I absolutely believe it could happen to anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep going back to the call her husband made to the doctors a week prior. He said she was acting like a zombie. Her meds were adjusted and bam— one week later, the unthinkable. Obviously her situation was precarious and very difficult to treat. There is a fine line to titrating psych meds and some cases are intractable.

Also, there is no scenario where she will get off scot free as some posters are saying. If not guilty due to insanity— she will be in a locked ward for a very long time to come. These are not cushy rehab facilities at all.

In MD we have the Clifton Perkins Hospital for the criminally insane— she would likely end up somewhere like that. A pretty grim way to spend your life, especially as a paraplegic.

We also have Spring Grove. I drive by that place all the time and it terrifies me. You can't even see it from the road, it's so well hidden.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet all the Lindsay sympathizers still believe that literally “anyone” could forget their kid in a hot car too.

That is completely different and, yes, I absolutely believe it could happen to anyone.

And what is your view on the Clancy case?

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Anonymous wrote:If this many women empathize with Lindsay Clancy maybe they need to take a long hard look at their life and their own mental health. If you can relate to a mother who murdered her kids, and feel that you could do the same, you better never have children. If you already have kids and you feel this way, please leave now, just leave them with a trusted family member or friend until you can get it together, you have no place being around children. Pregnancy is hard, having a new baby is challenging, if you’re not a mentally sound person to begin with maybe decide to only have one child or stay child free, there’s nothing wrong with that. You will be much more content in the long run.

Umm no thanks

I think a lot of sympathizers of Lindsay are mothers that view what Lindsay did as incomprehensible. It is the last thing in the world that a mother would do to their own children and that's why they sympathize- knowing that no sane mother could do such a thing. You can't compare murdering random people to murdering your own children. Lindsay has no life going forward, she will have to live the rest of her days with what she did and also as a paraplegic- it really doesn't matter if she is in prison or at home- her life will be hell going forward.

Same goes for all mothers who murder their kids and fathers, what father would murder his own children? We need to look at the bigger picture here, why is Lindsay, or any woman, given a pass because a mental problem? If she lacked capacity to determine right from wrong this shouldn’t been picked up atbsome point by the team of psych professionals following her. Yes, what Lindsay did is incomprehensible, same as what Chris Watts did. I’m sure Chris Watts appeared to absolutely love his children too and maybe he really did. Maybe his reason for killing his kids was identical to why Lindsay killed hers. Maybe he went temporarily insane, because no sane man would do such a thing.

Interesting - I thought of Chris Watts too when reading about this case last night. I see so many similarities between them

I thought Chris Watts had a motive- he was trying to leave his wife to marry someone else, right? Which would make it seem premeditated. I could be wrong. I'm also not a Lindsay-stan but I haven't seen any motive ascribed to her yet. And I haven't yet heard that she was frequently physically abusive and this time took it too far (as is the case with many parents killing their children- they beat them frequently, but then one day they were angrier and took it too far).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I bet all the Lindsay sympathizers still believe that literally “anyone” could forget their kid in a hot car too.

That is completely different and, yes, I absolutely believe it could happen to anyone.

And what is your view on the Clancy case?

From the little that I (we) know, I think she probably did have some sort of psychotic break, but if you are capable of having a psychotic break that leads you to murder three babies (and it wasn't a snap instant like three gunshots- it seems like it would take 5 minutes for EACH KID from what I read)- then you are not safe to be in society and you need to be in an institution somewhere to protect society from your possible future psychotic episodes. I do not think that a parent who, on autopilot, leaves their sleeping baby in the car because they do not typically have their baby in the car with them in the mornings, needs to be institutionalized for the safety of society.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet all the Lindsay sympathizers still believe that literally “anyone” could forget their kid in a hot car too.

That is completely different and, yes, I absolutely believe it could happen to anyone.

And what is your view on the Clancy case?

From the little that I (we) know, I think she probably did have some sort of psychotic break, but if you are capable of having a psychotic break that leads you to murder three babies (and it wasn't a snap instant like three gunshots- it seems like it would take 5 minutes for EACH KID from what I read)- then you are not safe to be in society and you need to be in an institution somewhere to protect society from your possible future psychotic episodes. I do not think that a parent who, on autopilot, leaves their sleeping baby in the car because they do not typically have their baby in the car with them in the mornings, needs to be institutionalized for the safety of society.

That was not my point at all. My point was that people who think Lindsay’s situation could happen to literally “anyone” also think the hot car situation could happen to literally “anyone.” The absolution of personal responsibility is astounding.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet all the Lindsay sympathizers still believe that literally “anyone” could forget their kid in a hot car too.

That is completely different and, yes, I absolutely believe it could happen to anyone.

And what is your view on the Clancy case?

From the little that I (we) know, I think she probably did have some sort of psychotic break, but if you are capable of having a psychotic break that leads you to murder three babies (and it wasn't a snap instant like three gunshots- it seems like it would take 5 minutes for EACH KID from what I read)- then you are not safe to be in society and you need to be in an institution somewhere to protect society from your possible future psychotic episodes. I do not think that a parent who, on autopilot, leaves their sleeping baby in the car because they do not typically have their baby in the car with them in the mornings, needs to be institutionalized for the safety of society.

That was not my point at all. My point was that people who think Lindsay’s situation could happen to literally “anyone” also think the hot car situation could happen to literally “anyone.” The absolution of personal responsibility is astounding.

Well that's why I said I think it's completely different. I think that leaving a baby in a hot car truly can happen to anyone, who is going on autopilot and has a change in their daycare drop off routine. I do not believe "anyone" can have a psychotic break that leads to murdering their kids by intense strangulation one by one. I think that can only happen to someone who is dangerously mentally ill and that person needs to be locked away somewhere. I don't know how I feel about assigning blame in either case- because i guess I feel in both cases, of course the parent is to blame (Lindsay is clearly to blame and the mom who leaves her kid in the car is clearly to blame too) but I think one of those is a tragic accident made by someone who is no danger to society and had no intent to harm, and the other was a purposeful, violent, psychotic act made by someone who is absolutely a danger to society and who absolutely had intent to harm- even if the episode was caused by a mental break that was not their fault in any way, and even if that person grieves and regrets every moment of it once they are past their mental breakdown. It still happened and it could still happen again and they can't safely be in society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Well, now there is a GFM for Lindsay's legal fees:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/justice-for-lindsay-clancy

It’s against the terms of service. Can’t be used for legal defense of alleged violent crime.

https://medium.com/gofundme-stories/gofundme-policy-on-fundraisers-for-the-legal-defense-of-violent-crimes-975aff8ba5f6

Disgustingly, he can just channel it by funneling it through her parents and having her parents pay the legal fees. GFM is a scourge.

Her GFM was taken down thankfully. Before it was removed they deleted the legal fee language but luckily GFM took it down anyway. Her husband might not be so willing to pay her legal fees after hearing more details. He is going to need a lot of psychiatric help and unable to work for quite a while I would imagine. Maybe he will set up a charity in his kids’ name. So many better uses for the money than his wife’s legal fees.

According to the invitation posted on reddit, her parents and not Patrick were organizing the legal fundraiser that was set for February 20, until the restaurant found out it was Lindsay's fundraiser and canceled it.

There was a paragraphon the invitation about she deserves justice. Patrick wasn't mentioned. I'm sure they are out looking for another venue. Can't imagine who will attend.

I thought the promotional video of Lindsay and Patrick's mom from when they worked together at South Shore Hospital in the L&D unit was very interesting.

[Anonymous]

^Also can't imagine any other venue wanting to host her fundraiser for legal bills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, now there is a GFM for Lindsay's legal fees:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/justice-for-lindsay-clancy

It’s against the terms of service. Can’t be used for legal defense of alleged violent crime.

https://medium.com/gofundme-stories/gofundme-policy-on-fundraisers-for-the-legal-defense-of-violent-crimes-975aff8ba5f6

Disgustingly, he can just channel it by funneling it through her parents and having her parents pay the legal fees. GFM is a scourge.

Her GFM was taken down thankfully. Before it was removed they deleted the legal fee language but luckily GFM took it down anyway. Her husband might not be so willing to pay her legal fees after hearing more details. He is going to need a lot of psychiatric help and unable to work for quite a while I would imagine. Maybe he will set up a charity in his kids’ name. So many better uses for the money than his wife’s legal fees.

According to the invitation posted on reddit, her parents and not Patrick were organizing the legal fundraiser that was set for February 20, until the restaurant found out it was Lindsay's fundraiser and canceled it.

There was a paragraphon the invitation about she deserves justice. Patrick wasn't mentioned. I'm sure they are out looking for another venue. Can't imagine who will attend.

I thought the promotional video of Lindsay and Patrick's mom from when they worked together at South Shore Hospital in the L&D unit was very interesting.

L&D nurses can be brutal, nasty prima donnas. I wonder how controlling PC’s mom was/is?