FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly kids need to either get shifted to Centreville or Herndon. Extend the Herndon boundary south, keep shifting and everything works out. People will be unhappy, but meh. You aren't touching Langley and that's the big "no-no".

We are zoned for Langley. We live close so not worried about rezoning for our family. Ever since we moved here 5 years ago, I have heard about potential rezoning and there have been tiny tweaks.

It sounds like people often want parts of great falls to be rezoned to Herndon. Who do they want to go to Langley in place? Do they want to move some Herndon kids to Langley and move great falls kids to Herndon? That doesn’t make logistical sense.

I can tell you how they'll likely go about this (it doesn't involve moving any Herndon kids to Langley), but please confirm you'd welcome an explanation.

Otherwise, the other Langley poster who tries to police all these threads will probably accuse me of being an advocate for this change when I've just tried to shed light on what they likely have in mind so that others can think more about this and organize.

It's telling that all her venom hasn't discouraged McDaniel, Lady, Frisch, etc one iota.

What a weird power play tease. All you need to say is that they likely move part of McLean to Langley and then part of Forestville to Herndon. No need to be all cloak and dagger about it.

Ah, so it’s OK to acknowledge this when it comes out of your mouth, just not others? Got it.

Although if they mess with these boundaries, it could be all of Forestville or everything west of Springvale, not just part of Forestville.

Weird hostility.

But agree with you that it might also be all of Forestville.

Forestville's eastern boundary is Springvale. They can't split Forestville or it will be way under capacity, so it will be all or nothing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It isn't about proximity to the high school - its about the demographics.

Hunt Valley brings what Lewis needs.

As does Keene Mill, which is much closer to Lewis.

And Daventry, which is the closest.

Keene mill has the least percentage of white kids and the most diversity of any wshs feeders.

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Anonymous wrote:I would never vote for a progressive to be on the SB, and I imagine many who will be upset with the changes probably did vote for the current SB, so this is going to be fun to watch.

But McDaniels points are mostly accurate. The other piece here is reality, and that is that the county is getting poorer. It just happened pretty fast that some who moved out of the city centers to FCPS "for the schools" are seeing the potential of the same thing happening: they don't want to send their kids to a high poverty school.

I don't think there is going to be a reversal of this trend, and the boundaries just can't hold anymore. In the last 3 years, the total number of FCPS students grew by 2000. In that same time, the total number of FARMs students grew by 12000. From 31% to 39% in 3 years. 15 years ago, that number was closer to 20%.

May be time to move out of the city.

Honest question: which boundaries “can’t hold” anymore? There are real issues with the accuracy and reliability of their five year projections.

Also, if he’s so right, and we want to minimize travel time, the obvious answer is to disallow pupil placement.

They can’t get enough bus drivers and the transportation stuff is a huge mess. Even now at the end of the school year there’s a lot of bus delays due to prior runs and coverage. If they don’t have enough drivers, it affects kids not being able to go on field trips.

We’re in an area likely to be redistricted, and my kid has not once had a significant bus issue.

Perhaps the solution rather than messing with boundaries is to pay $30/hour instead of $25? Seems like a de minibus fix.

Oh, and also disallowing pupil placements.

Which area do you think is “likely” to be redistricted?

WS, and at least parts of Forestville, also parts of McLean (probably the islands), and probably some cascading split feeders across the county to try to balance the numbers. I’m sure I’m missing some others too.

Also potentially part of Marshall to Madison (the areas in Vienna out towards Wolf Trap). Makes use of empty seats at Madison and turns Marshall into Tysons-Pimmit HS.

Also worth pointing out that the sheer breadth of redistricting likely precludes any grandfathering to occur. McDaniel said in his newsletter that he might consider saving rising seniors, so anyone in lower grades in affected high schools are probably SOL.

So families could have kids attending separate high schools? Lovely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly kids need to either get shifted to Centreville or Herndon. Extend the Herndon boundary south, keep shifting and everything works out. People will be unhappy, but meh. You aren't touching Langley and that's the big "no-no".

We are zoned for Langley. We live close so not worried about rezoning for our family. Ever since we moved here 5 years ago, I have heard about potential rezoning and there have been tiny tweaks.

It sounds like people often want parts of great falls to be rezoned to Herndon. Who do they want to go to Langley in place? Do they want to move some Herndon kids to Langley and move great falls kids to Herndon? That doesn’t make logistical sense.

I can tell you how they'll likely go about this (it doesn't involve moving any Herndon kids to Langley), but please confirm you'd welcome an explanation.

Otherwise, the other Langley poster who tries to police all these threads will probably accuse me of being an advocate for this change when I've just tried to shed light on what they likely have in mind so that others can think more about this and organize.

It's telling that all her venom hasn't discouraged McDaniel, Lady, Frisch, etc one iota.

What a weird power play tease. All you need to say is that they likely move part of McLean to Langley and then part of Forestville to Herndon. No need to be all cloak and dagger about it.

Ah, so it’s OK to acknowledge this when it comes out of your mouth, just not others? Got it.

Although if they mess with these boundaries, it could be all of Forestville or everything west of Springvale, not just part of Forestville.

Weird hostility.

But agree with you that it might also be all of Forestville.

Forestville's eastern boundary is Springvale. They can't split Forestville or it will be way under capacity, so it will be all or nothing.

Forestville boundary won’t change, But the move would possibly be to send all or part of the school to Herndon Middle and Herndon high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chantilly kids need to either get shifted to Centreville or Herndon. Extend the Herndon boundary south, keep shifting and everything works out. People will be unhappy, but meh. You aren't touching Langley and that's the big "no-no".

We are zoned for Langley. We live close so not worried about rezoning for our family. Ever since we moved here 5 years ago, I have heard about potential rezoning and there have been tiny tweaks.

It sounds like people often want parts of great falls to be rezoned to Herndon. Who do they want to go to Langley in place? Do they want to move some Herndon kids to Langley and move great falls kids to Herndon? That doesn’t make logistical sense.

I can tell you how they'll likely go about this (it doesn't involve moving any Herndon kids to Langley), but please confirm you'd welcome an explanation.

Otherwise, the other Langley poster who tries to police all these threads will probably accuse me of being an advocate for this change when I've just tried to shed light on what they likely have in mind so that others can think more about this and organize.

It's telling that all her venom hasn't discouraged McDaniel, Lady, Frisch, etc one iota.

What a weird power play tease. All you need to say is that they likely move part of McLean to Langley and then part of Forestville to Herndon. No need to be all cloak and dagger about it.

Ah, so it’s OK to acknowledge this when it comes out of your mouth, just not others? Got it.

Although if they mess with these boundaries, it could be all of Forestville or everything west of Springvale, not just part of Forestville.

Weird hostility.

But agree with you that it might also be all of Forestville.

Not weird at all when a nasty Langley poster responded in the past that even identifying these scenarios - the same ones being discussed now- was an attack on Langley and that we should “stop trying to make fetch happen,” etc.

We tried to tell you this was coming. Better late than never that it’s finally being taken seriously.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chantilly kids need to either get shifted to Centreville or Herndon. Extend the Herndon boundary south, keep shifting and everything works out. People will be unhappy, but meh. You aren't touching Langley and that's the big "no-no".

We are zoned for Langley. We live close so not worried about rezoning for our family. Ever since we moved here 5 years ago, I have heard about potential rezoning and there have been tiny tweaks.

It sounds like people often want parts of great falls to be rezoned to Herndon. Who do they want to go to Langley in place? Do they want to move some Herndon kids to Langley and move great falls kids to Herndon? That doesn’t make logistical sense.

I can tell you how they'll likely go about this (it doesn't involve moving any Herndon kids to Langley), but please confirm you'd welcome an explanation.

Otherwise, the other Langley poster who tries to police all these threads will probably accuse me of being an advocate for this change when I've just tried to shed light on what they likely have in mind so that others can think more about this and organize.

It's telling that all her venom hasn't discouraged McDaniel, Lady, Frisch, etc one iota.

What a weird power play tease. All you need to say is that they likely move part of McLean to Langley and then part of Forestville to Herndon. No need to be all cloak and dagger about it.

Ah, so it’s OK to acknowledge this when it comes out of your mouth, just not others? Got it.

Although if they mess with these boundaries, it could be all of Forestville or everything west of Springvale, not just part of Forestville.

Weird hostility.

But agree with you that it might also be all of Forestville.

Forestville's eastern boundary is Springvale. They can't split Forestville or it will be way under capacity, so it will be all or nothing.

Forestville boundary won’t change, But the move would possibly be to send all or part of the school to Herndon Middle and Herndon high.

Could see them moving the Forestville areas on the other side of Route 7 out of Forestville to even less crowded ES like Dranesville, Armstrong, or Aldrin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chantilly kids need to either get shifted to Centreville or Herndon. Extend the Herndon boundary south, keep shifting and everything works out. People will be unhappy, but meh. You aren't touching Langley and that's the big "no-no".

We are zoned for Langley. We live close so not worried about rezoning for our family. Ever since we moved here 5 years ago, I have heard about potential rezoning and there have been tiny tweaks.

It sounds like people often want parts of great falls to be rezoned to Herndon. Who do they want to go to Langley in place? Do they want to move some Herndon kids to Langley and move great falls kids to Herndon? That doesn’t make logistical sense.

I can tell you how they'll likely go about this (it doesn't involve moving any Herndon kids to Langley), but please confirm you'd welcome an explanation.

Otherwise, the other Langley poster who tries to police all these threads will probably accuse me of being an advocate for this change when I've just tried to shed light on what they likely have in mind so that others can think more about this and organize.

It's telling that all her venom hasn't discouraged McDaniel, Lady, Frisch, etc one iota.

What a weird power play tease. All you need to say is that they likely move part of McLean to Langley and then part of Forestville to Herndon. No need to be all cloak and dagger about it.

Ah, so it’s OK to acknowledge this when it comes out of your mouth, just not others? Got it.

Although if they mess with these boundaries, it could be all of Forestville or everything west of Springvale, not just part of Forestville.

Weird hostility.

But agree with you that it might also be all of Forestville.

Forestville's eastern boundary is Springvale. They can't split Forestville or it will be way under capacity, so it will be all or nothing.

Forestville boundary won’t change, But the move would possibly be to send all or part of the school to Herndon Middle and Herndon high.

Could see them moving the Forestville areas on the other side of Route 7 out of Forestville to even less crowded ES like Dranesville, Armstrong, or Aldrin.

Theoretically possible, but the Forestville border is pretty compact and the school projections are relatively stable. If you look at the CIP, the elementary schools don’t seem to be the issue, it’s the middle school and really high school numbers that are skewed, mostly because of pupil placements.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn't about proximity to the high school - its about the demographics.

Hunt Valley brings what Lewis needs.

As does Keene Mill, which is much closer to Lewis.

And Daventry, which is the closest.

Keene mill has the least percentage of white kids and the most diversity of any wshs feeders.

More than Rolling Valley? I haven't looked recently, but I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would never vote for a progressive to be on the SB, and I imagine many who will be upset with the changes probably did vote for the current SB, so this is going to be fun to watch.

But McDaniels points are mostly accurate. The other piece here is reality, and that is that the county is getting poorer. It just happened pretty fast that some who moved out of the city centers to FCPS "for the schools" are seeing the potential of the same thing happening: they don't want to send their kids to a high poverty school.

I don't think there is going to be a reversal of this trend, and the boundaries just can't hold anymore. In the last 3 years, the total number of FCPS students grew by 2000. In that same time, the total number of FARMs students grew by 12000. From 31% to 39% in 3 years. 15 years ago, that number was closer to 20%.

May be time to move out of the city.

Honest question: which boundaries “can’t hold” anymore? There are real issues with the accuracy and reliability of their five year projections.

Also, if he’s so right, and we want to minimize travel time, the obvious answer is to disallow pupil placement.

They can’t get enough bus drivers and the transportation stuff is a huge mess. Even now at the end of the school year there’s a lot of bus delays due to prior runs and coverage. If they don’t have enough drivers, it affects kids not being able to go on field trips.

We’re in an area likely to be redistricted, and my kid has not once had a significant bus issue.

Perhaps the solution rather than messing with boundaries is to pay $30/hour instead of $25? Seems like a de minibus fix.

Oh, and also disallowing pupil placements.

Which area do you think is “likely” to be redistricted?

WS, and at least parts of Forestville, also parts of McLean (probably the islands), and probably some cascading split feeders across the county to try to balance the numbers. I’m sure I’m missing some others too.

Also potentially part of Marshall to Madison (the areas in Vienna out towards Wolf Trap). Makes use of empty seats at Madison and turns Marshall into Tysons-Pimmit HS.

Also worth pointing out that the sheer breadth of redistricting likely precludes any grandfathering to occur. McDaniel said in his newsletter that he might consider saving rising seniors, so anyone in lower grades in affected high schools are probably SOL.

McDaniels is a jerk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn't about proximity to the high school - its about the demographics.

Hunt Valley brings what Lewis needs.

As does Keene Mill, which is much closer to Lewis.

And Daventry, which is the closest.

Keene mill has the least percentage of white kids and the most diversity of any wshs feeders.

More than Rolling Valley? I haven't looked recently, but I doubt it.

Yup rolling valley is 40% white Keene mill 38- it is close. I checked yesterday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn't about proximity to the high school - its about the demographics.

Hunt Valley brings what Lewis needs.

As does Keene Mill, which is much closer to Lewis.

And Daventry, which is the closest.

Keene mill has the least percentage of white kids and the most diversity of any wshs feeders.

It is illegal to redistrict based on race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn't about proximity to the high school - its about the demographics.

Hunt Valley brings what Lewis needs.

As does Keene Mill, which is much closer to Lewis.

And Daventry, which is the closest.

Keene mill has the least percentage of white kids and the most diversity of any wshs feeders.

More than Rolling Valley? I haven't looked recently, but I doubt it.

Agree.

A lot of the diversity at Keene Mill is due to the AAP center, not the zoned neighborhood kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn't about proximity to the high school - its about the demographics.

Hunt Valley brings what Lewis needs.

As does Keene Mill, which is much closer to Lewis.

And Daventry, which is the closest.

Keene mill has the least percentage of white kids and the most diversity of any wshs feeders.

More than Rolling Valley? I haven't looked recently, but I doubt it.

Yup rolling valley is 40% white Keene mill 38- it is close. I checked yesterday.

If you remove the AAP students from Keene, KM numbers would skew mess diverse.

[Anonymous]

If FCPS rezoned based on how white a neighborhood is, they need to be sued.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would never vote for a progressive to be on the SB, and I imagine many who will be upset with the changes probably did vote for the current SB, so this is going to be fun to watch.

But McDaniels points are mostly accurate. The other piece here is reality, and that is that the county is getting poorer. It just happened pretty fast that some who moved out of the city centers to FCPS "for the schools" are seeing the potential of the same thing happening: they don't want to send their kids to a high poverty school.

I don't think there is going to be a reversal of this trend, and the boundaries just can't hold anymore. In the last 3 years, the total number of FCPS students grew by 2000. In that same time, the total number of FARMs students grew by 12000. From 31% to 39% in 3 years. 15 years ago, that number was closer to 20%.

May be time to move out of the city.

Honest question: which boundaries “can’t hold” anymore? There are real issues with the accuracy and reliability of their five year projections.

Also, if he’s so right, and we want to minimize travel time, the obvious answer is to disallow pupil placement.

They can’t get enough bus drivers and the transportation stuff is a huge mess. Even now at the end of the school year there’s a lot of bus delays due to prior runs and coverage. If they don’t have enough drivers, it affects kids not being able to go on field trips.

We’re in an area likely to be redistricted, and my kid has not once had a significant bus issue.

Perhaps the solution rather than messing with boundaries is to pay $30/hour instead of $25? Seems like a de minibus fix.

Oh, and also disallowing pupil placements.

Which area do you think is “likely” to be redistricted?

WS, and at least parts of Forestville, also parts of McLean (probably the islands), and probably some cascading split feeders across the county to try to balance the numbers. I’m sure I’m missing some others too.

Also potentially part of Marshall to Madison (the areas in Vienna out towards Wolf Trap). Makes use of empty seats at Madison and turns Marshall into Tysons-Pimmit HS.

Also worth pointing out that the sheer breadth of redistricting likely precludes any grandfathering to occur. McDaniel said in his newsletter that he might consider saving rising seniors, so anyone in lower grades in affected high schools are probably SOL.

McDaniels is a jerk.

And why is that? Because you’re upset about the potential changes? Get a grip please.