Josh Duggar arrested and in federal custody

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Woo! Big win!

The judge granted the motion to allow testimony of prior SA acts by Josh Duggar.

Hopefully everyone can see this link

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817.106.0.pdf

This motion along with the judge denying the motion that Bobye Holt's testimony should not be allowed because of clergy privilege are two big early wins for the Prosecution.

Thanks for the update!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus! I didn’t know the details of what he did to his sisters when he was a teen. It’s bad. I know he’s not on trial for that though obviously - will the court allow those details in the trial?

I’m no defender of josh but he was underage (12 yrs old the first time) when he first did what he did to his sisters. He was a child and I think his parents and church community clearly failed him when he asked for help. Now this is no surprise. I find that sad.

This made me pause, because you’re right. There are accounts of josh admitting/ confessing what he had done to the adult in charge more than once- it sounded like he told Bobye what he had done without any prompting, and it sounds like he freely admitted the thing with his sisters to his parents. He was crying out for help. And didn’t get it. And now he is this monster , when he probably didn’t want to be.

I'm pretty sure the sisters snitched on him first, and then he confessed. Who knows what would have happened if the sister (presumably Jill) never spoke up about it.

Imo it doesn’t matter if sister snitched. He was still a child who was failed by the adults in his life. It was an adult’s responsibility to get him help. You say who knows what would have happened if jill hadn’t spoken up but she did and pretty much the worst thing did happen.

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They did help him. According to their faith values. They sent him to Christian rehabilitation camp.

For three months in 2003, Josh was sent to the Institute in Basic Life Principles Training Center in Little Rock, Arkansas

Sarcasm? I don’t consider that real help. You can’t pray this sort of thing away.

[Anonymous]

Josh is scum but I’ve got to believe he was sexually abused as a child. What 12 year old boy molests his own sisters? In that light, I feel bad for him-he never got the help he needed as a kid. Personally, if Jim Bob wasn’t the molester, there’s no doubt in my mind he knew about it and did nothing to help Josh.

As for Jim Bob, what a piece of work. Did nothing to help his son, did nothing to help his daughters, and is so narcissistic he has decided to run for Senate while all of this is going on.

I have zero sympathy for Anna-she is choosing to stick by Josh and allow their kids around him. I bet my paycheck he has molested his own kids. Some say she has no choice-she’s uneducated and needs the duggars financially-but she could give a tell all and make a ton of money. Or have her own TLC show ‘Anna breaks free.’ There’s ways for her to make money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I struggle with people saying that the sisters "snitched." It makes it sound like that was a bad thing for them to do.

I agree with you.

I agree, but I use it facetiously with regards to Josh, because he used to refer to Jill as the family snitch, and I doubt he would have confessed or been “punished” if she hadn’t said something to her parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Woo! Big win!

The judge granted the motion to allow testimony of prior SA acts by Josh Duggar.

Hopefully everyone can see this link

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817.106.0.pdf

This motion along with the judge denying the motion that Bobye Holt's testimony should not be allowed because of clergy privilege are two big early wins for the Prosecution.

The Defense is going the "Josh is a Mac guy and the CP was found on a Dell partition which he doesn't use" defense and also the "the command codes found were too complex for a simple homeschooled GED recipient to execute" defense.

Josh Duggar’s lawyer Justin Gelfand warned the jury at the trial on Wednesday that they were going to see disturbing images but claimed that wasn't what the case was about, according to a reporter with the Sun present at the trial.

Instead, Gelfand told the jurors it was a case of "Who done it?"

The prosecution just called its first witness: Detective Amber Kalmer who is on the FBI ICAC task force and the one who discovered the computer was downloading CP.

Here's a good "live" update of what is happening: https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/4174486/josh-duggar-trial-live-updates-child-pornography-arrest-verdict/

And all available court docs can be found here: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59871253/united-states-v-duggar/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woo! Big win!

The judge granted the motion to allow testimony of prior SA acts by Josh Duggar.

Hopefully everyone can see this link

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817.106.0.pdf

This motion along with the judge denying the motion that Bobye Holt's testimony should not be allowed because of clergy privilege are two big early wins for the Prosecution.

The Defense is going the "Josh is a Mac guy and the CP was found on a Dell partition which he doesn't use" defense and also the "the command codes found were too complex for a simple homeschooled GED recipient to execute" defense.

Josh Duggar’s lawyer Justin Gelfand warned the jury at the trial on Wednesday that they were going to see disturbing images but claimed that wasn't what the case was about, according to a reporter with the Sun present at the trial.

Instead, Gelfand told the jurors it was a case of "Who done it?"

The prosecution just called its first witness: Detective Amber Kalmer who is on the FBI ICAC task force and the one who discovered the computer was downloading CP.

Here's a good "live" update of what is happening: https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/4174486/josh-duggar-trial-live-updates-child-pornography-arrest-verdict/

And all available court docs can be found here: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59871253/united-states-v-duggar/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

Are they still trying to blame the Mexican immigrant for Josh's pedo pics?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woo! Big win!

The judge granted the motion to allow testimony of prior SA acts by Josh Duggar.

Hopefully everyone can see this link

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817.106.0.pdf

This motion along with the judge denying the motion that Bobye Holt's testimony should not be allowed because of clergy privilege are two big early wins for the Prosecution.

The Defense is going the "Josh is a Mac guy and the CP was found on a Dell partition which he doesn't use" defense and also the "the command codes found were too complex for a simple homeschooled GED recipient to execute" defense.

Josh Duggar’s lawyer Justin Gelfand warned the jury at the trial on Wednesday that they were going to see disturbing images but claimed that wasn't what the case was about, according to a reporter with the Sun present at the trial.

Instead, Gelfand told the jurors it was a case of "Who done it?"

The prosecution just called its first witness: Detective Amber Kalmer who is on the FBI ICAC task force and the one who discovered the computer was downloading CP.

Here's a good "live" update of what is happening: https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/4174486/josh-duggar-trial-live-updates-child-pornography-arrest-verdict/

And all available court docs can be found here: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59871253/united-states-v-duggar/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

good thing it only takes an elementary school education to google the information and even get code snippets to cut and paste

[Anonymous]

Anna will most likely have another baby, how else do you save a marriage?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anna will most likely have another baby, how else do you save a marriage?

She just had one and conjugal visits are hard to get in federal solitary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I struggle with people saying that the sisters "snitched." It makes it sound like that was a bad thing for them to do.

I agree with you.

I agree, but I use it facetiously with regards to Josh, because he used to refer to Jill as the family snitch, and I doubt he would have confessed or been “punished” if she hadn’t said something to her parents.

Josh said the word “snitched”. Not the court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woo! Big win!

The judge granted the motion to allow testimony of prior SA acts by Josh Duggar.

Hopefully everyone can see this link

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817.106.0.pdf

This motion along with the judge denying the motion that Bobye Holt's testimony should not be allowed because of clergy privilege are two big early wins for the Prosecution.

The Defense is going the "Josh is a Mac guy and the CP was found on a Dell partition which he doesn't use" defense and also the "the command codes found were too complex for a simple homeschooled GED recipient to execute" defense.

Josh Duggar’s lawyer Justin Gelfand warned the jury at the trial on Wednesday that they were going to see disturbing images but claimed that wasn't what the case was about, according to a reporter with the Sun present at the trial.

Instead, Gelfand told the jurors it was a case of "Who done it?"

The prosecution just called its first witness: Detective Amber Kalmer who is on the FBI ICAC task force and the one who discovered the computer was downloading CP.

Here's a good "live" update of what is happening: https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/4174486/josh-duggar-trial-live-updates-child-pornography-arrest-verdict/

And all available court docs can be found here: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59871253/united-states-v-duggar/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

Are they still trying to blame the Mexican immigrant for Josh's pedo pics?

I hadn't heard the Mexican immigrant one, wow.

I did read on the Reddit thread that they initially blamed a family acquaintance with the last name Williams. Come to find out, the guy they blamed was in jail at the time the CP was accessed on the computer. So now that guy's brother is on the witness list. So maybe they're trying to blame him... that was one theory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woo! Big win!

The judge granted the motion to allow testimony of prior SA acts by Josh Duggar.

Hopefully everyone can see this link

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817.106.0.pdf

This motion along with the judge denying the motion that Bobye Holt's testimony should not be allowed because of clergy privilege are two big early wins for the Prosecution.

The Defense is going the "Josh is a Mac guy and the CP was found on a Dell partition which he doesn't use" defense and also the "the command codes found were too complex for a simple homeschooled GED recipient to execute" defense.

Josh Duggar’s lawyer Justin Gelfand warned the jury at the trial on Wednesday that they were going to see disturbing images but claimed that wasn't what the case was about, according to a reporter with the Sun present at the trial.

Instead, Gelfand told the jurors it was a case of "Who done it?"

The prosecution just called its first witness: Detective Amber Kalmer who is on the FBI ICAC task force and the one who discovered the computer was downloading CP.

Here's a good "live" update of what is happening: https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/4174486/josh-duggar-trial-live-updates-child-pornography-arrest-verdict/

And all available court docs can be found here: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59871253/united-states-v-duggar/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

Are they still trying to blame the Mexican immigrant for Josh's pedo pics?

I hadn't heard the Mexican immigrant one, wow.

I did read on the Reddit thread that they initially blamed a family acquaintance with the last name Williams. Come to find out, the guy they blamed was in jail at the time the CP was accessed on the computer. So now that guy's brother is on the witness list. So maybe they're trying to blame him... that was one theory.

Even better, the guy they blamed was a previous client of Josh's own lawyer.

[Anonymous]

The hidden side of his computer had the same passwords used for his bank account, and his FRC email.

They are foolish to think going to trial is a good idea. Once the jury sees what’s on those videos, they’re going to want to personally string him up from the rafters. What are his lawyers thinking? Why didn’t he take a plea?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woo! Big win!

The judge granted the motion to allow testimony of prior SA acts by Josh Duggar.

Hopefully everyone can see this link

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817/gov.uscourts.arwd.62817.106.0.pdf

This motion along with the judge denying the motion that Bobye Holt's testimony should not be allowed because of clergy privilege are two big early wins for the Prosecution.

The Defense is going the "Josh is a Mac guy and the CP was found on a Dell partition which he doesn't use" defense and also the "the command codes found were too complex for a simple homeschooled GED recipient to execute" defense.

Josh Duggar’s lawyer Justin Gelfand warned the jury at the trial on Wednesday that they were going to see disturbing images but claimed that wasn't what the case was about, according to a reporter with the Sun present at the trial.

Instead, Gelfand told the jurors it was a case of "Who done it?"

The prosecution just called its first witness: Detective Amber Kalmer who is on the FBI ICAC task force and the one who discovered the computer was downloading CP.

Here's a good "live" update of what is happening: https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/4174486/josh-duggar-trial-live-updates-child-pornography-arrest-verdict/

And all available court docs can be found here: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59871253/united-states-v-duggar/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

Wow. I didn't realize that I actually know his lawyer. Heading to FB to see whether there's anything about this... He does promote his professional work on there sometimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The hidden side of his computer had the same passwords used for his bank account, and his FRC email.

They are foolish to think going to trial is a good idea. Once the jury sees what’s on those videos, they’re going to want to personally string him up from the rafters. What are his lawyers thinking? Why didn’t he take a plea?

The jury saw some of the photos and video footage today. Apparently, it made them all uncomfortable.

I think he's a ducking moron for not taking a plea deal. The only bright spot in that is that Jill Duggar (forgot her married name) will get to testify on what he did to her as a child.

The psychiatrist in me knows how cathartic that will be to get to put what happened to her out into the world, on record in her own words where it can't be swept under the rug by her terrible parents.

It's interesting that the other 3 daughters are not going to testify. I'm assuming that the prosecution knew that even with a subpoena they would be uncooperative witnesses. As a prosecutor, you never want to have to treat your own witness as a hostile witness.