Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

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Poolesville High School deserves the same consideration. With its own magnet program mirroring Blair’s.

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Anonymous wrote:Poolesville High School deserves the same consideration. With its own magnet program mirroring Blair’s.

Isn't that already true?

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Anonymous wrote:Poolesville High School deserves the same consideration. With its own magnet program mirroring Blair’s.

Isn't that already true?

I think they mean in regards to the other poster's suggestion that even with regional magnets, they keep the existing premier magnets.

But it does point that the dividing line between who goes to Blair and who goes to Poolesville is around the Rockville/Gaithersburg line.

ie neighborhoods in the Quince Orchard area and north go to Poolesville, Rockville and south goes to Blair.

It's a dividing line that makes the two areas entirely different areas.

So it's not really fair to pull just a handful of kids from an elementary school to an entirely new area, while the rest of their classmates from elementary school go to another.

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We should see more about how these new regions and programs would work at the June 24th board meeting.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

So they should apply to RM IB or Poolesville magnet program and they will get a strong hs cohort.

This only works if MCPS keeps these magnet programs. They might replace them with smaller regional ones as they recently proposed, but we won’t really know what those will look like until they announce the change. It seems they want to make a rushed decision for these regional programs to be factored in the capacity planning for the boundary studies. But we alll know MCPS is good at breaking things that work and struggling to build anything better in return.

There are already regional IB programs. RM is the only countywide one and it should become a regional one as well.

dp.. disagree. RMIB is the strongest program because it is a whole county magnet. Making it regional will dilute it. This is part of the "bring everything down a level to make it equitable" movement. MCPS is taking those things that shine about the district and making it lose its luster.

Making it regional will not dilute it. Many of the other IB programs have only been regional for a short time. Before that they were only local school. Additionally, they only focus on the IB diploma part which is 11/12th grade years. If all the regional IB’s operated with the same four year model, rigorous curriculum and preparation things will be just fine. Which is exactly why a major comment that has come up during the program analysis is the need for parity of model and resources for same/similar programs.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

Wootton isn’t some magical bastion of success and rigor. I have friends and family with kids there now, and they are no better off than my kids zoned for RM. The only difference is the privilege of the family. Our children will succeed whether in Crown, RM, Wootton, or anywhere else in Montgomery county. There are multiple opportunities in the school and outside through school partnerships and independently to get the best education. Everybody here can see through you. You just don’t want to be labeled and viewed a certain way. Your child is more likely to experience a rude awaking at life than success because of how you raised them.

If our kids can succeed in anywhere in Montgomery county then why is MCPS keep bringing up new initiatives and trying to rezone schools? Especially QO RM Gaithersburg aren’t that overcrowded and they can just do some simple adjustments like add some QO to Wootton and some RM/gaithersburg to Magruder/sherwood. Why cause so much disruption for other communities? It seems clear the main motivation is to balance socioeconomic factors. We all know what’s really driving these changes.

If the main vision were socioeconomic diversity, they’d be doing that and not turning QO white and low farms. Your racism dominates everything you do. They are rebalancing many schools because it’s not a simple solution to just do a shift over from a couple. It seems you are not bright enough to understand that. The big problem here is that they didn’t scope in the elementary schools, too. They really need to do that to be able to properly keep communities together through all the years. Crown high school is close to many high schools so at a minimum they would have to do all of those anyway in the study. Now, there is some effort to keep some socioeconomic balance of some kind, but they aren’t even doing that well in these options at all. You are just sour. Look in the mirror and see the racist.

I’m just a concerned parent. My kids are at risk of being separated from their friends, and it feels like the academic opportunities we’ve worked so hard for are being taken away. It’s incredibly frustrating to see families who raise legitimate concerns get unfairly labeled as racists. We all want what’s best for our children, and it’s not right to shut down those concerns by attacking people’s character.

Whenever a new school is built, it has to be populated by somebody. That means that unfortunately kids will be split with their friends. The important thing is to not do the splitting repeatedly by making gerrymandered maps with split articulation. But why don’t you take a minute to think about what you are actually afraid of. Opportunities are not being taken away here. What’s happening is that your expectation of how people will view you because of your school assignment is not being met. Your child will be fine. If you don’t obsess over this.

+1000. Folks need to get over this idea that someone is personally attacking their community or their opportunities. Boundaries are being change because there is a new school and that is happening because some schools are overcrowded. If you have real concerns bring them up as something that MCPS should keep in mind when staffing and looking at classes/programs. Quit making predeterminations about what the new HS will or won’t offer or how kids will be oh so disadvantaged by being moved.

Kids a resilient they’ll be fine. The folks losing their mind are parents.

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QO’s overcrowding probably will be resolved in the next few years without any intervention. Rachel Carson was at 150% capacity (thanks mostly to the Lakelands neighborhood) almost a decade ago, but now it’s below capacity. Then Lakelands Park was briefly over capacity, but now it’s below capacity. Once the current QO cohort graduates, QO will probably be below capacity. Is MCPS planning to bus current neighborhoods that are walkers (like Lakelands) away from QO, while also busing a new mix of neighborhoods to QO? It seems ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

So they should apply to RM IB or Poolesville magnet program and they will get a strong hs cohort.

This only works if MCPS keeps these magnet programs. They might replace them with smaller regional ones as they recently proposed, but we won’t really know what those will look like until they announce the change. It seems they want to make a rushed decision for these regional programs to be factored in the capacity planning for the boundary studies. But we alll know MCPS is good at breaking things that work and struggling to build anything better in return.

There are already regional IB programs. RM is the only countywide one and it should become a regional one as well.

dp.. disagree. RMIB is the strongest program because it is a whole county magnet. Making it regional will dilute it. This is part of the "bring everything down a level to make it equitable" movement. MCPS is taking those things that shine about the district and making it lose its luster.

Making it regional will not dilute it. Many of the other IB programs have only been regional for a short time. Before that they were only local school. Additionally, they only focus on the IB diploma part which is 11/12th grade years. If all the regional IB’s operated with the same four year model, rigorous curriculum and preparation things will be just fine. Which is exactly why a major comment that has come up during the program analysis is the need for parity of model and resources for same/similar programs.

It’s not fine if the kids don’t have the Ap classes they need. Ib math is different from Ap and stem majors need Ap.

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Anonymous wrote:QO’s overcrowding probably will be resolved in the next few years without any intervention. Rachel Carson was at 150% capacity (thanks mostly to the Lakelands neighborhood) almost a decade ago, but now it’s below capacity. Then Lakelands Park was briefly over capacity, but now it’s below capacity. Once the current QO cohort graduates, QO will probably be below capacity. Is MCPS planning to bus current neighborhoods that are walkers (like Lakelands) away from QO, while also busing a new mix of neighborhoods to QO? It seems ridiculous.

Yeah crown is really not needed. There are also plenty of space in Magruder/sherwood. MCPS just wastes everyone’s tax dollars while causing so much disruption.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to say something that may be controversial and p*** some people off. My daughter is a competitive soccer player. We were so excited for her to play for QO in HS which has consistently ranked top 5 in the state. I know they have other high ranked sports teams as well (football, boys lax). How will the new Crowne be able to field competitive sports teams? Will they be able to attract good coaches and will the school even have fields when it first opens? This issue may seem ridiculous to some, but we are looking for scholarship opportunities for our daughter and worried that the good schools won't come to scout at an unknown school.

It will be in rank 20 among all issues in priority list of educating all kids in our county.

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Crown is needed! The high schools are nearing capacity and some are over with plenty of schools with trailers. It’s ES that we don’t need.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to say something that may be controversial and p*** some people off. My daughter is a competitive soccer player. We were so excited for her to play for QO in HS which has consistently ranked top 5 in the state. I know they have other high ranked sports teams as well (football, boys lax). How will the new Crowne be able to field competitive sports teams? Will they be able to attract good coaches and will the school even have fields when it first opens? This issue may seem ridiculous to some, but we are looking for scholarship opportunities for our daughter and worried that the good schools won't come to scout at an unknown school.

We share the same concerns then. The brand new school isn’t just going to magically provide the same opportunities as the established schools. That’s just a fact and people on this board will just keep saying kids are resilient and they’ll do fine at any school.

New school needs to be populated. Focus should be to make new schools as good as possible from say 1 and not argue about why we should not populate new schools. Not populating is not an option.

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Anonymous wrote:QO’s overcrowding probably will be resolved in the next few years without any intervention. Rachel Carson was at 150% capacity (thanks mostly to the Lakelands neighborhood) almost a decade ago, but now it’s below capacity. Then Lakelands Park was briefly over capacity, but now it’s below capacity. Once the current QO cohort graduates, QO will probably be below capacity. Is MCPS planning to bus current neighborhoods that are walkers (like Lakelands) away from QO, while also busing a new mix of neighborhoods to QO? It seems ridiculous.

Yeah crown is really not needed. There are also plenty of space in Magruder/sherwood. MCPS just wastes everyone’s tax dollars while causing so much disruption.

Sherwood has 473 available space, Magruder has 226, Wootton has 254, RM needs 122, QO needs 314, Gaithersburg is right at capacity. There is enough space to accommodate all the overcrowding. But now we’re in this mess of building this expensive brand new school with not enough students to fill. And everyone’s property tax increases with income tax increasing soon (they already tried once and it’s because MCPS budget is so high). Still there is no money to renovate Wootton for indefinite amount of time. When are we going to keep county councils and MCPS fiscally responsible for these?

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Anonymous wrote:QO’s overcrowding probably will be resolved in the next few years without any intervention. Rachel Carson was at 150% capacity (thanks mostly to the Lakelands neighborhood) almost a decade ago, but now it’s below capacity. Then Lakelands Park was briefly over capacity, but now it’s below capacity. Once the current QO cohort graduates, QO will probably be below capacity. Is MCPS planning to bus current neighborhoods that are walkers (like Lakelands) away from QO, while also busing a new mix of neighborhoods to QO? It seems ridiculous.

Yeah crown is really not needed. There are also plenty of space in Magruder/sherwood. MCPS just wastes everyone’s tax dollars while causing so much disruption.

Sherwood has 473 available space, Magruder has 226, Wootton has 254, RM needs 122, QO needs 314, Gaithersburg is right at capacity. There is enough space to accommodate all the overcrowding. But now we’re in this mess of building this expensive brand new school with not enough students to fill. And everyone’s property tax increases with income tax increasing soon (they already tried once and it’s because MCPS budget is so high). Still there is no money to renovate Wootton for indefinite amount of time. When are we going to keep county councils and MCPS fiscally responsible for these?

Churchill is over crowded as well. Also, RM and Woodward/WJ area is seeing high growth. I doubt that extra seats won't be needed by county.

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Anonymous wrote:QO’s overcrowding probably will be resolved in the next few years without any intervention. Rachel Carson was at 150% capacity (thanks mostly to the Lakelands neighborhood) almost a decade ago, but now it’s below capacity. Then Lakelands Park was briefly over capacity, but now it’s below capacity. Once the current QO cohort graduates, QO will probably be below capacity. Is MCPS planning to bus current neighborhoods that are walkers (like Lakelands) away from QO, while also busing a new mix of neighborhoods to QO? It seems ridiculous.

Yeah crown is really not needed. There are also plenty of space in Magruder/sherwood. MCPS just wastes everyone’s tax dollars while causing so much disruption.

Sherwood has 473 available space, Magruder has 226, Wootton has 254, RM needs 122, QO needs 314, Gaithersburg is right at capacity. There is enough space to accommodate all the overcrowding. But now we’re in this mess of building this expensive brand new school with not enough students to fill. And everyone’s property tax increases with income tax increasing soon (they already tried once and it’s because MCPS budget is so high). Still there is no money to renovate Wootton for indefinite amount of time. When are we going to keep county councils and MCPS fiscally responsible for these?

Churchill is over crowded as well. Also, RM and Woodward/WJ area is seeing high growth. I doubt that extra seats won't be needed by county.

Woodward is sufficient to relieve WJ and other overcrowding at down county. MCPS projected QO/RM/gaithersburg to have like 1500 students overcrowding couple years back but now it’s projecting only like less than 500. I doubt in another couple years it would be any overcrowding even without crown. The enrollment trend is going down, not up.