Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

So they should apply to RM IB or Poolesville magnet program and they will get a strong hs cohort.

This only works if MCPS keeps these magnet programs. They might replace them with smaller regional ones as they recently proposed, but we won’t really know what those will look like until they announce the change. It seems they want to make a rushed decision for these regional programs to be factored in the capacity planning for the boundary studies. But we alll know MCPS is good at breaking things that work and struggling to build anything better in return.

Okay so then apply to thr regional program in your area which would include all of the smart Wootton students since they will still be in your region and it will have a strong academic cohort. I dont see the problem.

You know when middle school started lottery, many kids zoned for W schools rejected the acceptance of Takoma park and chose to stay at frost/cabin John/hoover instead as they see the cohort not as strong as the home schools. Splitting county wide program to regional programs does the same. Wootton/churchill kids would think these programs are not worth attending and just stay at home schools.

I guess all MCPS is doing now is to make W schools even stronger with kids going to Blair staying at home schools. Wootton lost the best talent to Blair in the past.

You all really believe that only the W schools have bright and talented students. Some of you really need to leave your bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

So they should apply to RM IB or Poolesville magnet program and they will get a strong hs cohort.

This only works if MCPS keeps these magnet programs. They might replace them with smaller regional ones as they recently proposed, but we won’t really know what those will look like until they announce the change. It seems they want to make a rushed decision for these regional programs to be factored in the capacity planning for the boundary studies. But we alll know MCPS is good at breaking things that work and struggling to build anything better in return.

There are already regional IB programs. RM is the only countywide one and it should become a regional one as well.

People all know these regional IB programs are not that great, far less rigorous and competitive compared to RM. So don’t expect regional stem magnet would be any different.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

So they should apply to RM IB or Poolesville magnet program and they will get a strong hs cohort.

This only works if MCPS keeps these magnet programs. They might replace them with smaller regional ones as they recently proposed, but we won’t really know what those will look like until they announce the change. It seems they want to make a rushed decision for these regional programs to be factored in the capacity planning for the boundary studies. But we alll know MCPS is good at breaking things that work and struggling to build anything better in return.

There are already regional IB programs. RM is the only countywide one and it should become a regional one as well.

dp.. disagree. RMIB is the strongest program because it is a whole county magnet. Making it regional will dilute it. This is part of the "bring everything down a level to make it equitable" movement. MCPS is taking those things that shine about the district and making it lose its luster.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

So they should apply to RM IB or Poolesville magnet program and they will get a strong hs cohort.

This only works if MCPS keeps these magnet programs. They might replace them with smaller regional ones as they recently proposed, but we won’t really know what those will look like until they announce the change. It seems they want to make a rushed decision for these regional programs to be factored in the capacity planning for the boundary studies. But we alll know MCPS is good at breaking things that work and struggling to build anything better in return.

There are already regional IB programs. RM is the only countywide one and it should become a regional one as well.

People all know these regional IB programs are not that great, far less rigorous and competitive compared to RM. So don’t expect regional stem magnet would be any different.

IMO we do need more regional STEM magnets, but I also think keeping Blair a whole county magnet is preferable.

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I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

Wootton isn’t some magical bastion of success and rigor. I have friends and family with kids there now, and they are no better off than my kids zoned for RM. The only difference is the privilege of the family. Our children will succeed whether in Crown, RM, Wootton, or anywhere else in Montgomery county. There are multiple opportunities in the school and outside through school partnerships and independently to get the best education. Everybody here can see through you. You just don’t want to be labeled and viewed a certain way. Your child is more likely to experience a rude awaking at life than success because of how you raised them.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

So they should apply to RM IB or Poolesville magnet program and they will get a strong hs cohort.

This only works if MCPS keeps these magnet programs. They might replace them with smaller regional ones as they recently proposed, but we won’t really know what those will look like until they announce the change. It seems they want to make a rushed decision for these regional programs to be factored in the capacity planning for the boundary studies. But we alll know MCPS is good at breaking things that work and struggling to build anything better in return.

There are already regional IB programs. RM is the only countywide one and it should become a regional one as well.

People all know these regional IB programs are not that great, far less rigorous and competitive compared to RM. So don’t expect regional stem magnet would be any different.

IMO we do need more regional STEM magnets, but I also think keeping Blair a whole county magnet is preferable.

I don’t mind if they add regional programs in addition to countywide programs. But it sounds like they want to replace countywide programs with regional programs. This is another DEI initiative.

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I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

Wootton isn’t some magical bastion of success and rigor. I have friends and family with kids there now, and they are no better off than my kids zoned for RM. The only difference is the privilege of the family. Our children will succeed whether in Crown, RM, Wootton, or anywhere else in Montgomery county. There are multiple opportunities in the school and outside through school partnerships and independently to get the best education. Everybody here can see through you. You just don’t want to be labeled and viewed a certain way. Your child is more likely to experience a rude awaking at life than success because of how you raised them.

If our kids can succeed in anywhere in Montgomery county then why is MCPS keep bringing up new initiatives and trying to rezone schools? Especially QO RM Gaithersburg aren’t that overcrowded and they can just do some simple adjustments like add some QO to Wootton and some RM/gaithersburg to Magruder/sherwood. Why cause so much disruption for other communities? It seems clear the main motivation is to balance socioeconomic factors. We all know what’s really driving these changes.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

Wootton isn’t some magical bastion of success and rigor. I have friends and family with kids there now, and they are no better off than my kids zoned for RM. The only difference is the privilege of the family. Our children will succeed whether in Crown, RM, Wootton, or anywhere else in Montgomery county. There are multiple opportunities in the school and outside through school partnerships and independently to get the best education. Everybody here can see through you. You just don’t want to be labeled and viewed a certain way. Your child is more likely to experience a rude awaking at life than success because of how you raised them.

If our kids can succeed in anywhere in Montgomery county then why is MCPS keep bringing up new initiatives and trying to rezone schools? Especially QO RM Gaithersburg aren’t that overcrowded and they can just do some simple adjustments like add some QO to Wootton and some RM/gaithersburg to Magruder/sherwood. Why cause so much disruption for other communities? It seems clear the main motivation is to balance socioeconomic factors. We all know what’s really driving these changes.

If the main vision were socioeconomic diversity, they’d be doing that and not turning QO white and low farms. Your racism dominates everything you do. They are rebalancing many schools because it’s not a simple solution to just do a shift over from a couple. It seems you are not bright enough to understand that. The big problem here is that they didn’t scope in the elementary schools, too. They really need to do that to be able to properly keep communities together through all the years. Crown high school is close to many high schools so at a minimum they would have to do all of those anyway in the study. Now, there is some effort to keep some socioeconomic balance of some kind, but they aren’t even doing that well in these options at all. You are just sour. Look in the mirror and see the racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

Wootton isn’t some magical bastion of success and rigor. I have friends and family with kids there now, and they are no better off than my kids zoned for RM. The only difference is the privilege of the family. Our children will succeed whether in Crown, RM, Wootton, or anywhere else in Montgomery county. There are multiple opportunities in the school and outside through school partnerships and independently to get the best education. Everybody here can see through you. You just don’t want to be labeled and viewed a certain way. Your child is more likely to experience a rude awaking at life than success because of how you raised them.

If our kids can succeed in anywhere in Montgomery county then why is MCPS keep bringing up new initiatives and trying to rezone schools? Especially QO RM Gaithersburg aren’t that overcrowded and they can just do some simple adjustments like add some QO to Wootton and some RM/gaithersburg to Magruder/sherwood. Why cause so much disruption for other communities? It seems clear the main motivation is to balance socioeconomic factors. We all know what’s really driving these changes.

If the main vision were socioeconomic diversity, they’d be doing that and not turning QO white and low farms. Your racism dominates everything you do. They are rebalancing many schools because it’s not a simple solution to just do a shift over from a couple. It seems you are not bright enough to understand that. The big problem here is that they didn’t scope in the elementary schools, too. They really need to do that to be able to properly keep communities together through all the years. Crown high school is close to many high schools so at a minimum they would have to do all of those anyway in the study. Now, there is some effort to keep some socioeconomic balance of some kind, but they aren’t even doing that well in these options at all. You are just sour. Look in the mirror and see the racist.

I’m just a concerned parent. My kids are at risk of being separated from their friends, and it feels like the academic opportunities we’ve worked so hard for are being taken away. It’s incredibly frustrating to see families who raise legitimate concerns get unfairly labeled as racists. We all want what’s best for our children, and it’s not right to shut down those concerns by attacking people’s character.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

Wootton isn’t some magical bastion of success and rigor. I have friends and family with kids there now, and they are no better off than my kids zoned for RM. The only difference is the privilege of the family. Our children will succeed whether in Crown, RM, Wootton, or anywhere else in Montgomery county. There are multiple opportunities in the school and outside through school partnerships and independently to get the best education. Everybody here can see through you. You just don’t want to be labeled and viewed a certain way. Your child is more likely to experience a rude awaking at life than success because of how you raised them.

If our kids can succeed in anywhere in Montgomery county then why is MCPS keep bringing up new initiatives and trying to rezone schools? Especially QO RM Gaithersburg aren’t that overcrowded and they can just do some simple adjustments like add some QO to Wootton and some RM/gaithersburg to Magruder/sherwood. Why cause so much disruption for other communities? It seems clear the main motivation is to balance socioeconomic factors. We all know what’s really driving these changes.

If the main vision were socioeconomic diversity, they’d be doing that and not turning QO white and low farms. Your racism dominates everything you do. They are rebalancing many schools because it’s not a simple solution to just do a shift over from a couple. It seems you are not bright enough to understand that. The big problem here is that they didn’t scope in the elementary schools, too. They really need to do that to be able to properly keep communities together through all the years. Crown high school is close to many high schools so at a minimum they would have to do all of those anyway in the study. Now, there is some effort to keep some socioeconomic balance of some kind, but they aren’t even doing that well in these options at all. You are just sour. Look in the mirror and see the racist.

I’m just a concerned parent. My kids are at risk of being separated from their friends, and it feels like the academic opportunities we’ve worked so hard for are being taken away. It’s incredibly frustrating to see families who raise legitimate concerns get unfairly labeled as racists. We all want what’s best for our children, and it’s not right to shut down those concerns by attacking people’s character.

Whenever a new school is built, it has to be populated by somebody. That means that unfortunately kids will be split with their friends. The important thing is to not do the splitting repeatedly by making gerrymandered maps with split articulation. But why don’t you take a minute to think about what you are actually afraid of. Opportunities are not being taken away here. What’s happening is that your expectation of how people will view you because of your school assignment is not being met. Your child will be fine. If you don’t obsess over this.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

So they should apply to RM IB or Poolesville magnet program and they will get a strong hs cohort.

This only works if MCPS keeps these magnet programs. They might replace them with smaller regional ones as they recently proposed, but we won’t really know what those will look like until they announce the change. It seems they want to make a rushed decision for these regional programs to be factored in the capacity planning for the boundary studies. But we alll know MCPS is good at breaking things that work and struggling to build anything better in return.

There are already regional IB programs. RM is the only countywide one and it should become a regional one as well.

People all know these regional IB programs are not that great, far less rigorous and competitive compared to RM. So don’t expect regional stem magnet would be any different.

IMO we do need more regional STEM magnets, but I also think keeping Blair a whole county magnet is preferable.

Blair is not a whole county magnet.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

So they should apply to RM IB or Poolesville magnet program and they will get a strong hs cohort.

This only works if MCPS keeps these magnet programs. They might replace them with smaller regional ones as they recently proposed, but we won’t really know what those will look like until they announce the change. It seems they want to make a rushed decision for these regional programs to be factored in the capacity planning for the boundary studies. But we alll know MCPS is good at breaking things that work and struggling to build anything better in return.

There are already regional IB programs. RM is the only countywide one and it should become a regional one as well.

People all know these regional IB programs are not that great, far less rigorous and competitive compared to RM. So don’t expect regional stem magnet would be any different.

IMO we do need more regional STEM magnets, but I also think keeping Blair a whole county magnet is preferable.

Blair is not a whole county magnet.

Southern moco then.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

So they should apply to RM IB or Poolesville magnet program and they will get a strong hs cohort.

This only works if MCPS keeps these magnet programs. They might replace them with smaller regional ones as they recently proposed, but we won’t really know what those will look like until they announce the change. It seems they want to make a rushed decision for these regional programs to be factored in the capacity planning for the boundary studies. But we alll know MCPS is good at breaking things that work and struggling to build anything better in return.

There are already regional IB programs. RM is the only countywide one and it should become a regional one as well.

People all know these regional IB programs are not that great, far less rigorous and competitive compared to RM. So don’t expect regional stem magnet would be any different.

IMO we do need more regional STEM magnets, but I also think keeping Blair a whole county magnet is preferable.

Blair is not a whole county magnet.

Southern moco then.

So what's the magic number of regions that won't "dilute" the quality of the programs? We currently have two regions for STEM magnets, and people seem OK with that, yet also think it's too hard to get in and don't like the long bus rides to each. If we had three, or four, what would be the effect?

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

Wootton isn’t some magical bastion of success and rigor. I have friends and family with kids there now, and they are no better off than my kids zoned for RM. The only difference is the privilege of the family. Our children will succeed whether in Crown, RM, Wootton, or anywhere else in Montgomery county. There are multiple opportunities in the school and outside through school partnerships and independently to get the best education. Everybody here can see through you. You just don’t want to be labeled and viewed a certain way. Your child is more likely to experience a rude awaking at life than success because of how you raised them.

If our kids can succeed in anywhere in Montgomery county then why is MCPS keep bringing up new initiatives and trying to rezone schools? Especially QO RM Gaithersburg aren’t that overcrowded and they can just do some simple adjustments like add some QO to Wootton and some RM/gaithersburg to Magruder/sherwood. Why cause so much disruption for other communities? It seems clear the main motivation is to balance socioeconomic factors. We all know what’s really driving these changes.

If the main vision were socioeconomic diversity, they’d be doing that and not turning QO white and low farms. Your racism dominates everything you do. They are rebalancing many schools because it’s not a simple solution to just do a shift over from a couple. It seems you are not bright enough to understand that. The big problem here is that they didn’t scope in the elementary schools, too. They really need to do that to be able to properly keep communities together through all the years. Crown high school is close to many high schools so at a minimum they would have to do all of those anyway in the study. Now, there is some effort to keep some socioeconomic balance of some kind, but they aren’t even doing that well in these options at all. You are just sour. Look in the mirror and see the racist.

You should look in the mirror. You sound like a monster keeping calling others racists and sour if anyone is against your DEI agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on past boundary changes, do we know what happens with kids at magnet schools? For example, let's say a student is initially zoned to Wootton and gets accepted in the Blair magnet program, which they begin in 9th grade. What happens if they are zoned to Crown starting in 10th grade and Crown is grouped with the Poolesville magnet rather than the Blair magnet? Would that student need to switch magnet programs starting in 10th grade?

I don’t know if Blair would even exist for the current 7th grader who will be the 9th graders who have to be forced to leave their current schools. MCPS is talking about replacing the countywide magnet program with 6 regional programs. I don’t know how MCPS can support 6 programs while they struggle to retain good teachers at Blair magnet. I guess they’ll just be watered down and not worth attending.

Wow just more reasons to add to why MCPS is not worth it anymore.

Other school systems don't have the same options of these magnet and IB programs like MCPS has. And in fact some people in other school systems think that it's ridiculous how there are so many options for MCPS students to go to schools other than their school of residence.

We saw it as a positive where our kids would have the opportunity to keep getting challenged and keeping growing if it meets their needs. And was a factor in staying in MCPS. Turns out none of our kids qualified for the programs but it was nice that the option was there if we needed/wanted it.

And sorry but I find it hard to believe that these more regional AP/IB programs are as rigorous as the more traditional ones at Blair, RM, Poolesville, etc.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. We had a single county-wide stem magnet in the 1980s. The county is much bigger now than it was then and can probably support multiple rigorous programs, since there are that many more qualified students.

Also, Fairfax and other counties of similar size do have many optional programs like we do. You just have no clue and are comparing with small counties

Hmm. Maybe. But Fairfax also has a lot of jobs, where many companies choosing to move their headquarters of there instead of Montgomery County.

Montgomery County seems to want to get most of it's revenue from residential taxes, so keeps on building homes, which leaves to overcrowding of schools and no jobs. Fairfax sure is looking better now.

I'm aware of the jobs situation. You were replying to me, and I live in MoCo, but work in Fairfax. I always say the only way I can afford to live in MoCo is because I don't work there. That said, Fairfax isn't really the best always either. I have family at FCPS (Fairfax). They certainly seem to place enrichment slower for regular tracks and have an insane focus on these language immersions, though MoCo is getting that way also. I find overall FCPS to be a bit weaker than MCPS. There is huge disparity here as well between schools.

Personally my quality of life went down when I left my job with a fifteen minute commute in Montgomery County to an hour commute outside of the county.

Both my family's quality of life would probably improve if I had the shorter commute again and I'd probably be more productive at work too.

At my kids current age, we're gearing up for high school and college. So if we move to Virginia, we'd also have access to the number of public schools there.

I've known families leaving Montgomery County for the past twenty years or so. To Fairfax, Frederick and Howard County. We just stuck around for the stability.

If anyone doesn't work in Montgomery County and is unhappy with the proposed boundary options, I'd strongly recommend considering moving closer to work. I know there are other factors, such as maybe going from split articulating to another school with 1 or 2 elementary school classmates to a whole another area where they know no one.

But a lot of people in some of these communities are doctorates and moving around while they were pursuing it and had a family is nothing new.

So I think it's something they should seriously consider. I'm already planning to contact my realtor depending on the proposals look in September.

Sometimes moving isn't an option because of other circumstances.

It is not. But if my 9th grader is forced to leave Wootton and attend crown as the first graduating class, then we will have to move, basically being forced to move.

WHy would that make you forced to move?

Who wants to force 9th grader leave their friends and go to crown not knowing if crown can offer the same rigorous curriculum as Wootton? Will they even offer the same AP classes 10th grade Wootton students can sign up for? Many high schools don’t offer some AP classes due to lack of students signing up. It doesn’t seem crown has a strong cohort to support these rigorous classes, let alone the first year graduate. Do colleges even know this brand new high school with no proven records? Too much uncertainty.

If you’re that worried, then just put them in dual enrollment at Montgomery College. They will graduate and have an associates degree at the same time. There’s absolutely no reason to think that crown will be such a terrible high school that your child will fail.

What? My kids are ready to take calculus AP at 10th grade. You tell me to go to Montgomery college? It’s not the same rigor.

Many kids can take care of then or 11th or 12th grade. It doesn’t matter. Mine is on track to take it at 11th grade and we will absolutely look at dual enrollment. You actually take calculus in the high school and then go onto multi variable calculus and differential equations at Montgomery College. I myself took both of those classes at Montgomery College. I’m doing quite well. Graduating from Montgomery College as they graduate from high school really puts them ahead so they can take more college classes or graduate college earlier.

Montgomery college classes are not good quality and easy to get As. But it is a good path if you want to attend UMD. Not so good if you aim for more prestigious universities.

I did it. I did go to UMD, though I got multiple graduate degrees from “higher ranked” universities. It’s just fine at MC

We’re not talking about graduate school.

You can do just fine to get into whatever school. It’s not relevant.

Of course you can do fine. Ending up in Montgomery college is fine too. Doing fine doesn’t justify unfairly treatment.

There is no "unfairly [sic] treatment" here. There are many ways to get into whatever Ivy League school

It’s not that many ways as not everyone is good at other nonacademic areas. It’s unfair that the students are originally on a path for a rigorous curriculum but MCPS rezone them to a lower performing school while not offering the same opportunities.

BS. You can very much create the academic rigor and extracurricular activities. Taking college classes can do that. If you have the mentality you portray here, something is seriously wrong with you. People get accepted all the time from all kinds of schools nationally. Moreover, you won’t have the competition from the plethora of other students all forced into the “rigorous” courses at the high school. You’ll stand out as the best and get accepted just fine.

That’s your belief. Of course, some students will overcome the challenges of being in a lower-performing school and still excel. But others may not reach their full potential as they would have in their original, more rigorous school. The school environment plays a critical role in student success. MCPS failed these students by not providing the same level of rigorous coursework and academic opportunities.

You are just a segregationist trying to justify it

You’re just DEI Zealot

If the school is close to you, it isn’t at all DEI or unfair to zone you for not. Your problem is in the mirror. If your child has real potential, they can realize it many ways. Getting 4 grades above level is great, but not the only or even best way to get into a good college or path for success. There are many paths. The smart people make it happen, and Crown HS isn’t going to block them.

Same poster here..

I’ll add that I was an MCPS magnet student. I do very well, though I didn’t take the traditional path immediately post-HS. I have many friends who went to schools much “worse,” and the smartest ones do just great. When your child goes to college—whether it be UMD or MIT—and maybe it won’t even be those schools or any school at first—they will be surrounded by people who didn’t go to Wootton or Churchill. Their peers didn’t have super enrichment and pushy parents.

You had access to the resources you earned. These kids don’t. They’re being rezoned to a school without many friends and without the same academic opportunities their peers they grow up with still have—just because they’re the group being picked to be zoned out.

None of the Wootton area is far from either Wootton or Crown, so this isn’t about distance. It’s about zoning students out of opportunity.

MCPS may claim all schools offer the same opportunities, but that’s not how it plays out. A strong academic cohort makes those opportunities real. A weak one doesn’t. Without a strong cohort, advanced classes don’t run, clubs fall flat, and motivated students get left behind.

So they should apply to RM IB or Poolesville magnet program and they will get a strong hs cohort.

This only works if MCPS keeps these magnet programs. They might replace them with smaller regional ones as they recently proposed, but we won’t really know what those will look like until they announce the change. It seems they want to make a rushed decision for these regional programs to be factored in the capacity planning for the boundary studies. But we alll know MCPS is good at breaking things that work and struggling to build anything better in return.

There are already regional IB programs. RM is the only countywide one and it should become a regional one as well.

People all know these regional IB programs are not that great, far less rigorous and competitive compared to RM. So don’t expect regional stem magnet would be any different.

IMO we do need more regional STEM magnets, but I also think keeping Blair a whole county magnet is preferable.

Blair is not a whole county magnet.

Southern moco then.

So what's the magic number of regions that won't "dilute" the quality of the programs? We currently have two regions for STEM magnets, and people seem OK with that, yet also think it's too hard to get in and don't like the long bus rides to each. If we had three, or four, what would be the effect?

They should just keep Blair as southern county wide. After all Blair is a famous brand MCPS should not lose. This is our TJ equivalent. And add a few more regional ones for kids who are gifted but not selected by Blair.