With Love, Meghan on Netflix

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

Yes, I do get that for some people's style but Meghan's doesn't particularly read dated to me. Some other millennials' style does. I agree with the other poster, please give detailed examples of how to update and freshen the aesthetic of the show.

Yeah but that's what I'm trying to explain! You're a self admitted millennial and cant see the forest for the trees, lol. I did give some examples to the other poster but tbh it's not really my job to explain to middle-aged moms who think white skinny jeans and a chambray button down is totally chic about current fashion trends, lmao. You can always look up Vogue articles, use ChatGTP, or even open a dedicated thread here on DCUM if you truly want advice on updating your wardrobe (although this board skews Gen X so you might not get much help). Good luck!

Okay, first of all, the fact that you think people were asking for their own edification and not because you sounded ridiculous just blanket-stating that the show was dated. People were asking because they wanted you to show your work, not because they wanted your fashion advice lmfao.

Second of all, for someone claiming to be a fashion expert, there is a difference between chic and trendy. A button down and jeans is chic. Whatever flavor of the week the Gen z tiktok influencers are wearing is trendy.

The show *is* dated. The fact that that bothers a legion of self identified middle aged moms who are admitting that they developed their person style in the 2010s and havent updated it since the series finale of Girls doesn't change that fact, lmao.

A button down and jeans is no longer chic, not in the way most millennial women wear it. The fact that you cannot, cannot, CANNOT see this and are sooooo entrenched in the Isabel Marant aesthetic from 2010 is very, very telling about how out of touch you are with current fashions. Even the fact that you're so bothered by this discussion says that you know very well that your personal style stopped evolving a good decade back. And yes, you probably do look dated and old when you're out and about running errands, which is why I suspect you're so upset with the conversation.

Dp. Not sure what your point is here. I’m a millennial woman who didn’t like the show but her overall fashion is not really the issue, other than it being laughable that MM claims to cook in drapey all white clothes. And most millennial women I know don’t care about being trendy anymore. We’ve got way too much else to worry about between careers, husbands, kids and elderly parents. Not sure why you’re so obsessed with insulting people over something this silly.

It may not be the issue for you but it is for others, especially if she wants to attract a desirable younger demographic. I also dont hate MM, but was just sooooo struck by how out of date the whole thing seemed.

Yes, and we are saying she probably does not want to attract a younger demographic. MM is almost 45 years old. I don't think she's worried if a bunch of 19 year old tiktok "girlies" like her show.

Well she probably should, especially with how catastrophically unpopular she is with the GP. And relegating herself to the middle aged mom demo is pretty limiting, especially as time passes and that demo ages up with her.

But the type of show is inherently geared towards older audiences. Young women just aren't interested in learning how to decorate for kids' birthday parties.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

Yes, I do get that for some people's style but Meghan's doesn't particularly read dated to me. Some other millennials' style does. I agree with the other poster, please give detailed examples of how to update and freshen the aesthetic of the show.

Yeah but that's what I'm trying to explain! You're a self admitted millennial and cant see the forest for the trees, lol. I did give some examples to the other poster but tbh it's not really my job to explain to middle-aged moms who think white skinny jeans and a chambray button down is totally chic about current fashion trends, lmao. You can always look up Vogue articles, use ChatGTP, or even open a dedicated thread here on DCUM if you truly want advice on updating your wardrobe (although this board skews Gen X so you might not get much help). Good luck!

Okay, first of all, the fact that you think people were asking for their own edification and not because you sounded ridiculous just blanket-stating that the show was dated. People were asking because they wanted you to show your work, not because they wanted your fashion advice lmfao.

Second of all, for someone claiming to be a fashion expert, there is a difference between chic and trendy. A button down and jeans is chic. Whatever flavor of the week the Gen z tiktok influencers are wearing is trendy.

The show *is* dated. The fact that that bothers a legion of self identified middle aged moms who are admitting that they developed their person style in the 2010s and havent updated it since the series finale of Girls doesn't change that fact, lmao.

A button down and jeans is no longer chic, not in the way most millennial women wear it. The fact that you cannot, cannot, CANNOT see this and are sooooo entrenched in the Isabel Marant aesthetic from 2010 is very, very telling about how out of touch you are with current fashions. Even the fact that you're so bothered by this discussion says that you know very well that your personal style stopped evolving a good decade back. And yes, you probably do look dated and old when you're out and about running errands, which is why I suspect you're so upset with the conversation.

Dp. Not sure what your point is here. I’m a millennial woman who didn’t like the show but her overall fashion is not really the issue, other than it being laughable that MM claims to cook in drapey all white clothes. And most millennial women I know don’t care about being trendy anymore. We’ve got way too much else to worry about between careers, husbands, kids and elderly parents. Not sure why you’re so obsessed with insulting people over something this silly.

It may not be the issue for you but it is for others, especially if she wants to attract a desirable younger demographic. I also dont hate MM, but was just sooooo struck by how out of date the whole thing seemed.

Yes, and we are saying she probably does not want to attract a younger demographic. MM is almost 45 years old. I don't think she's worried if a bunch of 19 year old tiktok "girlies" like her show.

Well she probably should, especially with how catastrophically unpopular she is with the GP. And relegating herself to the middle aged mom demo is pretty limiting, especially as time passes and that demo ages up with her.

But the type of show is inherently geared towards older audiences. Young women just aren't interested in learning how to decorate for kids' birthday parties.

Young women watch all kinds of cooking shows and various stuff on Netflix, especially anything celebrity related. Selena Gomez's cooking show was quite popular with Gen Z, for example

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

OK, but I see Gen Z in the Metro wearing pants cuts and sweater styles that my mom wore in 1985. It absolutely floors me. It legitimately looks like they took one of my mom's outfits from the Sears Cheryl Tiegs catalogue.

I'm sure our resident Stacy London here will have an explanation shortly about how that's chic but Meghan's Cartier watch screams nouveau riche and millennial or some shit, idk.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

Yes, I do get that for some people's style but Meghan's doesn't particularly read dated to me. Some other millennials' style does. I agree with the other poster, please give detailed examples of how to update and freshen the aesthetic of the show.

Yeah but that's what I'm trying to explain! You're a self admitted millennial and cant see the forest for the trees, lol. I did give some examples to the other poster but tbh it's not really my job to explain to middle-aged moms who think white skinny jeans and a chambray button down is totally chic about current fashion trends, lmao. You can always look up Vogue articles, use ChatGTP, or even open a dedicated thread here on DCUM if you truly want advice on updating your wardrobe (although this board skews Gen X so you might not get much help). Good luck!

Okay, first of all, the fact that you think people were asking for their own edification and not because you sounded ridiculous just blanket-stating that the show was dated. People were asking because they wanted you to show your work, not because they wanted your fashion advice lmfao.

Second of all, for someone claiming to be a fashion expert, there is a difference between chic and trendy. A button down and jeans is chic. Whatever flavor of the week the Gen z tiktok influencers are wearing is trendy.

The show *is* dated. The fact that that bothers a legion of self identified middle aged moms who are admitting that they developed their person style in the 2010s and havent updated it since the series finale of Girls doesn't change that fact, lmao.

A button down and jeans is no longer chic, not in the way most millennial women wear it. The fact that you cannot, cannot, CANNOT see this and are sooooo entrenched in the Isabel Marant aesthetic from 2010 is very, very telling about how out of touch you are with current fashions. Even the fact that you're so bothered by this discussion says that you know very well that your personal style stopped evolving a good decade back. And yes, you probably do look dated and old when you're out and about running errands, which is why I suspect you're so upset with the conversation.

Dp. Not sure what your point is here. I’m a millennial woman who didn’t like the show but her overall fashion is not really the issue, other than it being laughable that MM claims to cook in drapey all white clothes. And most millennial women I know don’t care about being trendy anymore. We’ve got way too much else to worry about between careers, husbands, kids and elderly parents. Not sure why you’re so obsessed with insulting people over something this silly.

It may not be the issue for you but it is for others, especially if she wants to attract a desirable younger demographic. I also dont hate MM, but was just sooooo struck by how out of date the whole thing seemed.

Yes, and we are saying she probably does not want to attract a younger demographic. MM is almost 45 years old. I don't think she's worried if a bunch of 19 year old tiktok "girlies" like her show.

Well she probably should, especially with how catastrophically unpopular she is with the GP. And relegating herself to the middle aged mom demo is pretty limiting, especially as time passes and that demo ages up with her.

But the type of show is inherently geared towards older audiences. Young women just aren't interested in learning how to decorate for kids' birthday parties.

Young women watch all kinds of cooking shows and various stuff on Netflix, especially anything celebrity related. Selena Gomez's cooking show was quite popular with Gen Z, for example

Selena Gomez's cooking show was just that, a cooking show. The premise was a young celebrity learning to cook, which is appealing to young women. The premise is not "I'm a mom who likes making moments special for my husband and kids."

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

OK, but I see Gen Z in the Metro wearing pants cuts and sweater styles that my mom wore in 1985. It absolutely floors me. It legitimately looks like they took one of my mom's outfits from the Sears Cheryl Tiegs catalogue.

I'm sure our resident Stacy London here will have an explanation shortly about how that's chic but Meghan's Cartier watch screams nouveau riche and millennial or some shit, idk.

Stacy London? Damn. Talk about dated references... you must be over 40.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

Yes, I do get that for some people's style but Meghan's doesn't particularly read dated to me. Some other millennials' style does. I agree with the other poster, please give detailed examples of how to update and freshen the aesthetic of the show.

Yeah but that's what I'm trying to explain! You're a self admitted millennial and cant see the forest for the trees, lol. I did give some examples to the other poster but tbh it's not really my job to explain to middle-aged moms who think white skinny jeans and a chambray button down is totally chic about current fashion trends, lmao. You can always look up Vogue articles, use ChatGTP, or even open a dedicated thread here on DCUM if you truly want advice on updating your wardrobe (although this board skews Gen X so you might not get much help). Good luck!

Okay, first of all, the fact that you think people were asking for their own edification and not because you sounded ridiculous just blanket-stating that the show was dated. People were asking because they wanted you to show your work, not because they wanted your fashion advice lmfao.

Second of all, for someone claiming to be a fashion expert, there is a difference between chic and trendy. A button down and jeans is chic. Whatever flavor of the week the Gen z tiktok influencers are wearing is trendy.

The show *is* dated. The fact that that bothers a legion of self identified middle aged moms who are admitting that they developed their person style in the 2010s and havent updated it since the series finale of Girls doesn't change that fact, lmao.

A button down and jeans is no longer chic, not in the way most millennial women wear it. The fact that you cannot, cannot, CANNOT see this and are sooooo entrenched in the Isabel Marant aesthetic from 2010 is very, very telling about how out of touch you are with current fashions. Even the fact that you're so bothered by this discussion says that you know very well that your personal style stopped evolving a good decade back. And yes, you probably do look dated and old when you're out and about running errands, which is why I suspect you're so upset with the conversation.

Dp. Not sure what your point is here. I’m a millennial woman who didn’t like the show but her overall fashion is not really the issue, other than it being laughable that MM claims to cook in drapey all white clothes. And most millennial women I know don’t care about being trendy anymore. We’ve got way too much else to worry about between careers, husbands, kids and elderly parents. Not sure why you’re so obsessed with insulting people over something this silly.

It may not be the issue for you but it is for others, especially if she wants to attract a desirable younger demographic. I also dont hate MM, but was just sooooo struck by how out of date the whole thing seemed.

Yes, and we are saying she probably does not want to attract a younger demographic. MM is almost 45 years old. I don't think she's worried if a bunch of 19 year old tiktok "girlies" like her show.

Well she probably should, especially with how catastrophically unpopular she is with the GP. And relegating herself to the middle aged mom demo is pretty limiting, especially as time passes and that demo ages up with her.

But the type of show is inherently geared towards older audiences. Young women just aren't interested in learning how to decorate for kids' birthday parties.

Young women watch all kinds of cooking shows and various stuff on Netflix, especially anything celebrity related. Selena Gomez's cooking show was quite popular with Gen Z, for example

Selena Gomez's cooking show was just that, a cooking show. The premise was a young celebrity learning to cook, which is appealing to young women. The premise is not "I'm a mom who likes making moments special for my husband and kids."

Meghan's is a cooking show too, lol. And the point is a cooking show does not imply that it has to feel dated and old and geared towards middle aged people

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

OK, but I see Gen Z in the Metro wearing pants cuts and sweater styles that my mom wore in 1985. It absolutely floors me. It legitimately looks like they took one of my mom's outfits from the Sears Cheryl Tiegs catalogue.

I'm sure our resident Stacy London here will have an explanation shortly about how that's chic but Meghan's Cartier watch screams nouveau riche and millennial or some shit, idk.

Stacy London? Damn. Talk about dated references... you must be over 40.

DP Are you experiencing a midlife crisis? What is with the hyper fixation on things being dated?

I missed the memo where you can't even make an older reference lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

OK, but I see Gen Z in the Metro wearing pants cuts and sweater styles that my mom wore in 1985. It absolutely floors me. It legitimately looks like they took one of my mom's outfits from the Sears Cheryl Tiegs catalogue.

I'm sure our resident Stacy London here will have an explanation shortly about how that's chic but Meghan's Cartier watch screams nouveau riche and millennial or some shit, idk.

Stacy London? Damn. Talk about dated references... you must be over 40.

DP Are you experiencing a midlife crisis? What is with the hyper fixation on things being dated?

I missed the memo where you can't even make an older reference lol.

The personal insults about millennials are so weird, when, as another poster said, millennials are now too old to care about being trendy.

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The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

OK, but I see Gen Z in the Metro wearing pants cuts and sweater styles that my mom wore in 1985. It absolutely floors me. It legitimately looks like they took one of my mom's outfits from the Sears Cheryl Tiegs catalogue.

I'm sure our resident Stacy London here will have an explanation shortly about how that's chic but Meghan's Cartier watch screams nouveau riche and millennial or some shit, idk.

Stacy London? Damn. Talk about dated references... you must be over 40.

DP Are you experiencing a midlife crisis? What is with the hyper fixation on things being dated?

I missed the memo where you can't even make an older reference lol.

The personal insults about millennials are so weird, when, as another poster said, millennials are now too old to care about being trendy.

It reads as "40 year old mom who desperately wants to be friends with the interns."

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

OK, but I see Gen Z in the Metro wearing pants cuts and sweater styles that my mom wore in 1985. It absolutely floors me. It legitimately looks like they took one of my mom's outfits from the Sears Cheryl Tiegs catalogue.

I'm sure our resident Stacy London here will have an explanation shortly about how that's chic but Meghan's Cartier watch screams nouveau riche and millennial or some shit, idk.

Stacy London? Damn. Talk about dated references... you must be over 40.

DP Are you experiencing a midlife crisis? What is with the hyper fixation on things being dated?

I missed the memo where you can't even make an older reference lol.

I'm not, but you appear to be going through one whenever anyone points out (rightfully) that your clothing and references are dated. What's wrong with that? You're allowed to proudly walk around in your millennial page and have everyone able to pin your age, in the same way a 65 year old woman can waltz around in their QVC comfort sweatshirt and not be surprised that people pin her for being a grandma. You speak and dress with a very distinctive time/era/middle aged vibe. What's the issue?

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

OK, but I see Gen Z in the Metro wearing pants cuts and sweater styles that my mom wore in 1985. It absolutely floors me. It legitimately looks like they took one of my mom's outfits from the Sears Cheryl Tiegs catalogue.

I'm sure our resident Stacy London here will have an explanation shortly about how that's chic but Meghan's Cartier watch screams nouveau riche and millennial or some shit, idk.

Stacy London? Damn. Talk about dated references... you must be over 40.

DP Are you experiencing a midlife crisis? What is with the hyper fixation on things being dated?

I missed the memo where you can't even make an older reference lol.

The personal insults about millennials are so weird, when, as another poster said, millennials are now too old to care about being trendy.

Who is insulting millennials? pointing out that you have aged out of the "hip" demographic into the "old" demographic is not an insult, it's just a fact. And I suspect very few posters on this thread ever started out particularly trendy or in touch with fashion. There are plenty of millennials who appropriately update their fashion and wardrobe every year. But those millennials are likely not spending hours of their day arguing and aggressively defending Meghan Markle on a parenting forum.

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Meghan's target demo is middle aged ladies like herself, not Gen Z. She's selling a super conservative, traditional lifestyle -- basically, being a SAHM to a rich guy. I know a bunch of women who follow her and like this show and they are all wealthy SAHMs in their late 30s or 40s with young kids. It's like a very specific brand of trad wife.

Which, honestly, is fine. I don't get the hate. It's not for me but there is definitely an audience for it. I personally know plenty of women who want to dress like her and like her hostessing tips and like her aesthetic. If there's a misstep in this, it's in the branding (changing the name multiple times was dumb and the new name is still bad) and the lack of products. I looked at her website and she's only selling a few things and it's mostly consumable -- jam and tea. She should be selling some dishes, tea sets, and some of the "hostess items" she makes on the show. I've only seen two episodes but like she could do a candle making kit and a bath sachet kit, for instance. Also trays and other display items. I think that's more the brand of the show than the food items, because isn't the whole deal there that she makes it herself and that's why it's special for guests? So buying some crepe mix or a jar of jam runs counter to what she's selling.

She should have brought it a bigger pro for the branding and merchandising, someone who has had success with a celeb brand before. And I think she should have partnered with a retailer. Maybe they tried and it didn't work. She probably wanted something upscale but her best bets would something like Target or maybe Williams Sonoma. Maybe they weren't interested? Target got burned on the Chrissy Teigen thing so I could see them being wary of Meghan. Or maybe she thought that was just too downmarket for her.

Anyway, based on the response of friends and family in her target demo, I think it's successful. But missed opportunities in terms of really building out a brand. It almost feels like she's afraid to commit to going full Martha Stewart. But it would actually lend legitimacy to the whole thing. If you can put good, attractive products in people's hands at a decent price, you build loyalty because it makes the whole thing seem more substantial. Alison Roman also went the more bespoke route with her merchandising and it's limited her a lot as well. But Roman can sell cookbooks and is considered more of an expert in cuisine, whereas Meghan's thing is hostessing.

Maybe she'll release a book about hostessing.

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The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

OK, but I see Gen Z in the Metro wearing pants cuts and sweater styles that my mom wore in 1985. It absolutely floors me. It legitimately looks like they took one of my mom's outfits from the Sears Cheryl Tiegs catalogue.

I'm sure our resident Stacy London here will have an explanation shortly about how that's chic but Meghan's Cartier watch screams nouveau riche and millennial or some shit, idk.

Stacy London? Damn. Talk about dated references... you must be over 40.

DP Are you experiencing a midlife crisis? What is with the hyper fixation on things being dated?

I missed the memo where you can't even make an older reference lol.

The personal insults about millennials are so weird, when, as another poster said, millennials are now too old to care about being trendy.

Who is insulting millennials? pointing out that you have aged out of the "hip" demographic into the "old" demographic is not an insult, it's just a fact. And I suspect very few posters on this thread ever started out particularly trendy or in touch with fashion. There are plenty of millennials who appropriately update their fashion and wardrobe every year. But those millennials are likely not spending hours of their day arguing and aggressively defending Meghan Markle on a parenting forum.

Why do you think everyone who responds to you is here for "hours" a day? By your own admission you are the one who has been here for five or six pages.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

OK, but I see Gen Z in the Metro wearing pants cuts and sweater styles that my mom wore in 1985. It absolutely floors me. It legitimately looks like they took one of my mom's outfits from the Sears Cheryl Tiegs catalogue.

I'm sure our resident Stacy London here will have an explanation shortly about how that's chic but Meghan's Cartier watch screams nouveau riche and millennial or some shit, idk.

Stacy London? Damn. Talk about dated references... you must be over 40.

DP Are you experiencing a midlife crisis? What is with the hyper fixation on things being dated?

I missed the memo where you can't even make an older reference lol.

The personal insults about millennials are so weird, when, as another poster said, millennials are now too old to care about being trendy.

Who is insulting millennials? pointing out that you have aged out of the "hip" demographic into the "old" demographic is not an insult, it's just a fact. And I suspect very few posters on this thread ever started out particularly trendy or in touch with fashion. There are plenty of millennials who appropriately update their fashion and wardrobe every year. But those millennials are likely not spending hours of their day arguing and aggressively defending Meghan Markle on a parenting forum.

Why do you think everyone who responds to you is here for "hours" a day? By your own admission you are the one who has been here for five or six pages.

Because you guys have very distinctive tells and quirks of speech that make it obvious who you are. But why not answer the question that has been asked several times- how many hours, in total, do you think you spend on this thread per week? Is it over or under ten?

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

Yes, I do get that for some people's style but Meghan's doesn't particularly read dated to me. Some other millennials' style does. I agree with the other poster, please give detailed examples of how to update and freshen the aesthetic of the show.

Yeah but that's what I'm trying to explain! You're a self admitted millennial and cant see the forest for the trees, lol. I did give some examples to the other poster but tbh it's not really my job to explain to middle-aged moms who think white skinny jeans and a chambray button down is totally chic about current fashion trends, lmao. You can always look up Vogue articles, use ChatGTP, or even open a dedicated thread here on DCUM if you truly want advice on updating your wardrobe (although this board skews Gen X so you might not get much help). Good luck!

Okay, first of all, the fact that you think people were asking for their own edification and not because you sounded ridiculous just blanket-stating that the show was dated. People were asking because they wanted you to show your work, not because they wanted your fashion advice lmfao.

Second of all, for someone claiming to be a fashion expert, there is a difference between chic and trendy. A button down and jeans is chic. Whatever flavor of the week the Gen z tiktok influencers are wearing is trendy.

The show *is* dated. The fact that that bothers a legion of self identified middle aged moms who are admitting that they developed their person style in the 2010s and havent updated it since the series finale of Girls doesn't change that fact, lmao.

A button down and jeans is no longer chic, not in the way most millennial women wear it. The fact that you cannot, cannot, CANNOT see this and are sooooo entrenched in the Isabel Marant aesthetic from 2010 is very, very telling about how out of touch you are with current fashions. Even the fact that you're so bothered by this discussion says that you know very well that your personal style stopped evolving a good decade back. And yes, you probably do look dated and old when you're out and about running errands, which is why I suspect you're so upset with the conversation.

Dp. Not sure what your point is here. I’m a millennial woman who didn’t like the show but her overall fashion is not really the issue, other than it being laughable that MM claims to cook in drapey all white clothes. And most millennial women I know don’t care about being trendy anymore. We’ve got way too much else to worry about between careers, husbands, kids and elderly parents. Not sure why you’re so obsessed with insulting people over something this silly.

It may not be the issue for you but it is for others, especially if she wants to attract a desirable younger demographic. I also dont hate MM, but was just sooooo struck by how out of date the whole thing seemed.

Yes, and we are saying she probably does not want to attract a younger demographic. MM is almost 45 years old. I don't think she's worried if a bunch of 19 year old tiktok "girlies" like her show.

Well she probably should, especially with how catastrophically unpopular she is with the GP. And relegating herself to the middle aged mom demo is pretty limiting, especially as time passes and that demo ages up with her.

But the type of show is inherently geared towards older audiences. Young women just aren't interested in learning how to decorate for kids' birthday parties.

Why can’t anyone do a practical yet aspirational cooking/home show? I’m sure there is one out there but I don’t know it. Jacques Pepin has a ‘fast food’ cook book that I like. Fast takes on elevated recipes. 20 something year olds don’t have time to make their own candles, nor do I (millennial) but 20 year dc and I would both happily watch a show that helped us make nice meals with short cuts like frozen veggies, canned blah blah. I don’t typically have time to go harvest my own honey when making a meal for the day.