Walz vs. Vance: VP Debate Oct 1 2024

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Anonymous wrote:Vance came off as very likeable.

I thought he came off very slick, his facial expressions just a tad smug, bordering on know-it-all, with a whiff of condescension. It was totally apparent this is a guy who knows how to do PR on the fly. Rewriting Trump's actions in the telling, with such easy-breezy confidence was infuriating. Maybe that's the benefit of Yale law school training.

Usha was heavily involved in preparing him to debate. It is refreshing to hear highly educated people speaking in public.

So I bet you love hearing Obama talk

I LOVE Obama! Vance speech and presentation was at his level. Walz was not.

Yes Vance was really that good.

Poised and articulate like Obama.

I swear I did not expect to come off liking this guy who has been the butt of jokes the last one month.

Agree. And I was pretty confused why Trump would even pick him. But now I see. He was excellent and didn’t come off as slick or smug at all. He came off as poised, articulate, and cool under pressure. As if he could deal with World leaders with ease and not be a push over. Walz did seem like a great person, but all the agreeing with Vance made him look like a pushover. He would do the US no favors in negotiations

Did you get the feeling at times that he actually can't stand Trump? It was a werid vibe.

YES! I listened to every minute of it and that was one of my conclusions. But the guy is not nice. He played a nice guy on live TV. He's still lying about Haitian immigrants. He's still lying about access to abortion, and gun control. He's just very slick. I don't trust him one bit.

The reality is that Vance, like a lot of Republicans, loathe Trump with every fiber of their beings. But they're such gross opportunists and cowards, they don't get that they need to reject him en masse in order to get out of their own nightmare.

He couldn’t even admit his boss lost the last election.

That was the only pre-req for the job. That and approval by the loser sons. What are his credentials for this job, exactly? Any policy accomplishments? Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance's actual policies include:
Nationwide ban in abortion
No gun control
No healthcare
No no-fault divorce (women would have to stay married to abusers)
Grandparents forced to provide free labor in childcare
Fewer govt regulations for things like car seats
No public schools
Books banned nation wide

Yes, exactly what we had during Trump administration. We all was without books, public [b/]schools were shot down[/b], no single divorce was granted in 4 years, no healthcare. Is it you, knucklehead Tim trying to fix your failure performance?

Sure sound like the writing of an American citizen to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance is unflappable, articulate, quick thinking and will be a formidable debate opponent. I’m not voting his ticket but this is my honest opinion. Out of the candidates on both tickets he is the strongest debater.

He is also much younger than ol’ man Walz. I just wonder if Vance might hold back due to respect for someone so much older than himself?

Vance was just like Obama: smooth, polished and very well put together in his appearance and in his thoughts. Out of four of them, he is the most presidential unfortunately.

Smooth speaking matters not at all when you lie.

People were ready to overlook many of Obama's lies just to get him in the office. I voted for him twice and will gladly vote for Vance just to have civility back in the WH.

You’re effing joking, right?

Does this person not realize Trump will be the one in the WH?

Trump is not going to make it in a next four years, it will be either Vance or Harris.

Let me get this math right:

Harris is "less civil" than 2 years of Trump lies/insults + 2 years of Vance sweet-talking lies?

Trump has been doing this politically for 16 years so your math is pretty terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance is unflappable, articulate, quick thinking and will be a formidable debate opponent. I’m not voting his ticket but this is my honest opinion. Out of the candidates on both tickets he is the strongest debater.

He is also much younger than ol’ man Walz. I just wonder if Vance might hold back due to respect for someone so much older than himself?

Vance was just like Obama: smooth, polished and very well put together in his appearance and in his thoughts. Out of four of them, he is the most presidential unfortunately.

He certainly lies better than the others.

Vance does give Obama's vibes and I see why a lot of people don't like him.

A lot of people found Vance more likeable after hearing him speaking, instead of cut of media selected pieces. He is very civil, educated, great family. What not to like?

What's not to like?

He lied on just about every response.
He is a core supporter of Project 2025.
He wants to ban abortion, but lied about it last night.
He wants to gut public education.
He wants to suspend the Constitution and he is a stop the steal supporter - an insurrectionist against our country.

But hey, he seemed likable!

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More people liked Walz, more people thought Walz looked presidential.

Also more Democrats watched the debate than Republicans and poor JD is still underwater in the likeability department. https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/02/politics/election-poll-walz-vance-debate/index.html

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Anonymous wrote:My debate coach used to have us debate And one side got to completely make up facts..... It was funny how easy it is to debate when truth and statistics and information that you say really does not matter. It was to prepare us for teams that were slick and fast talkers.
I think Tim maybe needed a little more prep, but let's be honest there was no way he was going to win when it does not matter what the other side says. Jd didn't even have to prep. He could just literally make up whatever he wanted in the moment based on what Tim said and know that it does not matter at all to his voters

Walz is too old and too politically experienced to act like a nervous wreck during a single debate.

He was a senior enlisted leader in the US military and a football coach, but was in shambles last night. Something isn’t right about that.

Any man that doesn’t act like a toxic frat bro and bully people is “in shambles” for MAGA.

Vance didn’t act like a toxic frat bro.

Walz called himself a knucklehead. What a joke. Why would anyone vote for a self described knucklehead?

People with humility. Very typical for a Minnesotan.

Being humble is great, admitting you are an idiot is not great.

Nobody running for VP should have to explain their lies and misstatements as occurring because they are a knucklehead. That’s ridiculous.

Walz admitted he’s not fit for office. It’s embarrassing.

Cool. So when is Vance going to address all the lies he told last night.
Walz: not smooth and slimy. Substantive and truthful.
Vance: slippery smooth and lying all night long

Sorry you did not got used to be around highly educated males and they give you appearance of to be "slippery smooth". Vance manners and presentation were superb yesterday. I am not agreeing with his stand and policy, but anyone denying this just Russian troll.

Vance presented well on a superficial way. But when you really consider how he behaved, he spoke in entire paragraphs, lying with a smile, and mansplained repeatedly to Norah and Margaret

He was very articulate and very knowledgeable about many things. I was impressed how well he is aware of how CB1 app works for those who crossing the border. I bet Walz had no idea what Vance was talking about based on his face expression.

Walz was not very knowledgeable about immigration policies at all. I did not got a feeling that we will see any changes from what we have now in immigration field.

We would have seen progress if Trump had not pressured GOP members to block the bipartisan immigration reform bill that would have channeled a huge increase in trained staff and resources to police the southern border - all because he wants to claim victory for being the only and best person to deal with illegal Immigration. So cynical and sick.

We already see a progress. Those who used to just cross the border illegally now can upload CBP 1 app, and cross the board "legally". That is how we got 15,000 convicted murderers in the country and 12,000 convicted rapist in the country. Because even if you cross the border by using CBP 1, no one checked your background. Not even for prior murder conviction, forget about Covid vaccination.

Nothing unusual here, just another normal assimilated American citizen writing in normal American grammar, posting true statistics.

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I enjoyed watching the debate.

As I watched, the main thing I considered is who is more prepared to step into the presidency. That is the primary purpose of a VP.

Vance proved he is ready. He has a command of the issues. He is able to articulate his positions and can explain and defend the positions of the ticket he is running on. He understands the concerns of the American people. And, he is at ease addressing a large audience.

The same cannot be said for Walz. He struggled trying to defend his past statements. And, they didn't even get into the whole military service embellishments. It wasn't clear that he understood or could defend the positions of his ticket. This is not surprising since it is questionable whether Harris actually can articulate her positions. He was uncomfortable. And, what was the "I became friends with school shooters" all about? WTH?

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Anonymous wrote:The vibe from Vance was weird guy holding himself tightly in check to present as a calm, polite, rational conservative. Anyone who has not been exposed to the clips of the real Vance might be deceived.

Here are Governor Walz and JD before they gave interviews after:



JD looks like he’s sizing us up for the most sedating but not fatal dose of something to put in our drinks.

Isn't it amazing how so many women have this same reaction to him? My take is Walz is the guy who'd drive you home from the bar if you felt unsafe - and Vance is the guy who'd be making you feel unsafe. Probably smooth, slick, and you don't leave him alone with your drink.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance is unflappable, articulate, quick thinking and will be a formidable debate opponent. I’m not voting his ticket but this is my honest opinion. Out of the candidates on both tickets he is the strongest debater.

He is also much younger than ol’ man Walz. I just wonder if Vance might hold back due to respect for someone so much older than himself?

Vance was just like Obama: smooth, polished and very well put together in his appearance and in his thoughts. Out of four of them, he is the most presidential unfortunately.

Smooth speaking matters not at all when you lie.

People were ready to overlook many of Obama's lies just to get him in the office. I voted for him twice and will gladly vote for Vance just to have civility back in the WH.

You’re effing joking, right?

Very serious. fifty cents per comment feeds my family.

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@JRubinBlogger

“If you are praising Vance for being better than Trump or the debate for being serious you are helping to normalize lying. You are making the case that liars can lie so long as they are slick and serious. This is what fascism does. It erodes reality”.

Vance is exactly like Trump. A liar in a fancy suit. Trump threatened to end our democracy and Vance will Not denounce that. He must support it. A man without integrity or a moral compass.

How is this election even a question? Think about your children DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoyed watching the debate.

As I watched, the main thing I considered is who is more prepared to step into the presidency. That is the primary purpose of a VP.

Vance proved he is ready. He has a command of the issues. He is able to articulate his positions and can explain and defend the positions of the ticket he is running on. He understands the concerns of the American people. And, he is at ease addressing a large audience.

The same cannot be said for Walz. He struggled trying to defend his past statements. And, they didn't even get into the whole military service embellishments. It wasn't clear that he understood or could defend the positions of his ticket. This is not surprising since it is questionable whether Harris actually can articulate her positions. He was uncomfortable. And, what was the "I became friends with school shooters" all about? WTH?

How can you type this given the number of lies he told. His main responsibility will be the peaceful transfer of power in 2029 and he failed that question.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance is unflappable, articulate, quick thinking and will be a formidable debate opponent. I’m not voting his ticket but this is my honest opinion. Out of the candidates on both tickets he is the strongest debater.

He is also much younger than ol’ man Walz. I just wonder if Vance might hold back due to respect for someone so much older than himself?

Vance was just like Obama: smooth, polished and very well put together in his appearance and in his thoughts. Out of four of them, he is the most presidential unfortunately.

He certainly lies better than the others.

Vance does give Obama's vibes and I see why a lot of people don't like him.

A lot of people found Vance more likeable after hearing him speaking, instead of cut of media selected pieces. He is very civil, educated, great family. What not to like?

What's not to like?

He lied on just about every response.
He is a core supporter of Project 2025.
He wants to ban abortion, but lied about it last night.
He wants to gut public education.
He wants to suspend the Constitution and he is a stop the steal supporter - an insurrectionist against our country.

But hey, he seemed likable!

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Anonymous wrote:Vance is unflappable, articulate, quick thinking and will be a formidable debate opponent. I’m not voting his ticket but this is my honest opinion. Out of the candidates on both tickets he is the strongest debater.

He is also much younger than ol’ man Walz. I just wonder if Vance might hold back due to respect for someone so much older than himself?

Vance was just like Obama: smooth, polished and very well put together in his appearance and in his thoughts. Out of four of them, he is the most presidential unfortunately.

Smooth speaking matters not at all when you lie.

People were ready to overlook many of Obama's lies just to get him in the office. I voted for him twice and will gladly vote for Vance just to have civility back in the WH.

You’re effing joking, right?

Does this person not realize Trump will be the one in the WH?

Trump is not going to make it in a next four years, it will be either Vance or Harris.

If Trump wins I actually foresee Trump stepping down and letting Vance become President - not sure who would then become VP.

Trump would! He's shameless enough to do it.
All the opportunities for graft, none of the boring meetings. But Vance might negotiate him down to a pardon, Ford/Nixon style.

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Anonymous wrote:My debate coach used to have us debate And one side got to completely make up facts..... It was funny how easy it is to debate when truth and statistics and information that you say really does not matter. It was to prepare us for teams that were slick and fast talkers.
I think Tim maybe needed a little more prep, but let's be honest there was no way he was going to win when it does not matter what the other side says. Jd didn't even have to prep. He could just literally make up whatever he wanted in the moment based on what Tim said and know that it does not matter at all to his voters

Walz is too old and too politically experienced to act like a nervous wreck during a single debate.

He was a senior enlisted leader in the US military and a football coach, but was in shambles last night. Something isn’t right about that.

Any man that doesn’t act like a toxic frat bro and bully people is “in shambles” for MAGA.

Vance didn’t act like a toxic frat bro.

Walz called himself a knucklehead. What a joke. Why would anyone vote for a self described knucklehead?

People with humility. Very typical for a Minnesotan.

Being humble is great, admitting you are an idiot is not great.

Nobody running for VP should have to explain their lies and misstatements as occurring because they are a knucklehead. That’s ridiculous.

Walz admitted he’s not fit for office. It’s embarrassing.

Cool. So when is Vance going to address all the lies he told last night.
Walz: not smooth and slimy. Substantive and truthful.
Vance: slippery smooth and lying all night long

Sorry you did not got used to be around highly educated males and they give you appearance of to be "slippery smooth". Vance manners and presentation were superb yesterday. I am not agreeing with his stand and policy, but anyone denying this just Russian troll.

Vance presented well on a superficial way. But when you really consider how he behaved, he spoke in entire paragraphs, lying with a smile, and mansplained repeatedly to Norah and Margaret

He was very articulate and very knowledgeable about many things. I was impressed how well he is aware of how CB1 app works for those who crossing the border. I bet Walz had no idea what Vance was talking about based on his face expression.

Walz was not very knowledgeable about immigration policies at all. I did not got a feeling that we will see any changes from what we have now in immigration field.

We would have seen progress if Trump had not pressured GOP members to block the bipartisan immigration reform bill that would have channeled a huge increase in trained staff and resources to police the southern border - all because he wants to claim victory for being the only and best person to deal with illegal Immigration. So cynical and sick.

We already see a progress. Those who used to just cross the border illegally now can upload CBP 1 app, and cross the board "legally". That is how we got 15,000 convicted murderers in the country and 12,000 convicted rapist in the country. Because even if you cross the border by using CBP 1, no one checked your background. Not even for prior murder conviction, forget about Covid vaccination.

Nothing unusual here, just another normal assimilated American citizen writing in normal American grammar, posting true statistics.

You must have prior murder conviction! Or be a 12,000 convicted rapist!