Are the ivies overrated? Perhaps too much coddling?

[Anonymous]

"In a Forbes survey answered by more than 380 C-suite inhabitants, vice presidents and other managers, 37% said they are less likely to hire an Ivy League graduate than they were five years ago—up from 33% who said the same last year. Another 12% said they would never hire an Ivy League graduate. Survey respondents pointed to graduates’ attitudes and lack of humility as sticking points. 'I believe Ivy League candidates are over valued, and they frequently have a higher than real opinion of themselves,' one C-suite-level respondent wrote. 'Entry-level job candidates should be 'eager to learn, have no ego or be ‘stuck-up’ because of the school they attended,' said another.

So if America’s favor is turning away from its most elite private schools, where are employers, students and parents looking instead? For the second year, Forbes New Ivies has selected 10 outstanding public universities and 10 top private schools that are attracting the best and the brightest, and graduating students that are outpacing most Ivy Leaguers in the eyes of employers"

[Anonymous]

no

[Anonymous]

These surveys are so meaningless. No CEO is directly hiring an entry-level person out of college. And when they do hire/promote at the more senior levels, Ivy grads are well represented. There is zero chance a CEO ever looked at a candidate for senior management and said "nah, he went to an Ivy."

I did not attend an Ivy and I have no view on whether they're overrated, but I am deeply suspicious of rich dudes who "already got theirs" saying young people expect too much respect at work.

[Anonymous]

Nope:
One at an ivy. One at UVA. There are many more opportunities at the ivy and for the most part classes demand much more: more reading per week, more difficult problem sets, more complex midterms in calc. Peers do multiple time-intensive activities in addition to class at the ivy and more have campus jobs(though usually these are resume building jobs such as research or paid undergrad learning assistant). Classes are a lot smaller at the ivy but that is not coddling.

[Anonymous]

You posted the same thing a few weeks ago. Hope it makes you feel better about wherever you or your kid went to school.

[Anonymous]

Actually, if you look at the top feeders for tech and finance, it’s mostly public schools, or private schools that have rigor similar to elite publics like Berkeley and Michigan.

[Anonymous]

You dare to question the DCUM Magisterium? The inquisition will find you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nope:
One at an ivy. One at UVA. There are many more opportunities at the ivy and for the most part classes demand much more: more reading per week, more difficult problem sets, more complex midterms in calc. Peers do multiple time-intensive activities in addition to class at the ivy and more have campus jobs(though usually these are resume building jobs such as research or paid undergrad learning assistant). Classes are a lot smaller at the ivy but that is not coddling.

What about compared to Michigan, Berkeley, and ucla? Those schools are known to be cutthroat and produce a lot of go-getters.

[Anonymous]

I went to East Flyover State U and ended up in a top professional school with lots of ivy grads. They were okay-everyone in the class was pretty smart but they were not smarter than the non ivy students at all. They were more coddled (and much richer) on average but there were of course exceptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You dare to question the DCUM Magisterium? The inquisition will find you.

I was playing coolio’s “gangstas paradise” when i posted it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These surveys are so meaningless. No CEO is directly hiring an entry-level person out of college. And when they do hire/promote at the more senior levels, Ivy grads are well represented. There is zero chance a CEO ever looked at a candidate for senior management and said "nah, he went to an Ivy."

I did not attend an Ivy and I have no view on whether they're overrated, but I am deeply suspicious of rich dudes who "already got theirs" saying young people expect too much respect at work.

It is not meaningless. I work in tech, and this is pretty much the prevailing sentiment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These surveys are so meaningless. No CEO is directly hiring an entry-level person out of college. And when they do hire/promote at the more senior levels, Ivy grads are well represented. There is zero chance a CEO ever looked at a candidate for senior management and said "nah, he went to an Ivy."

I did not attend an Ivy and I have no view on whether they're overrated, but I am deeply suspicious of rich dudes who "already got theirs" saying young people expect too much respect at work.

For instance, the most common people I see are Berkeley, Georgia tech, and Michigan grads. I don’t see as much Stanford anymore despite its proximity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went to East Flyover State U and ended up in a top professional school with lots of ivy grads. They were okay-everyone in the class was pretty smart but they were not smarter than the non ivy students at all. They were more coddled (and much richer) on average but there were of course exceptions.

I’ve had the same experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nope:
One at an ivy. One at UVA. There are many more opportunities at the ivy and for the most part classes demand much more: more reading per week, more difficult problem sets, more complex midterms in calc. Peers do multiple time-intensive activities in addition to class at the ivy and more have campus jobs(though usually these are resume building jobs such as research or paid undergrad learning assistant). Classes are a lot smaller at the ivy but that is not coddling.

How in the world do you know this about your college students????

You know how many problems are in their problem sets? How many pages they're reading?

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[Anonymous]

My kid is at a HYPSM and working their butt off. No coddling there. Demanding academics!