How long will the shutdown last?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:

1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.

(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)

The courts have handled DACA. Does Trump even know that?

Has the Supreme Court “handled” it yet? If so, please provide a citation. TIA!

Yes.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ElieNYC/status/1086665170380906502

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We *had* a Central American Minors refugee program so that minors could be processed in their home countries and the Trump administration terminated it.

Who created the crisis?

Obama created it with his DACA program in the first place.

Keep up. Trump has been in office for two years now and nothing prevented him from passing his own legislation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:

1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.

(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)

A temporary DACA extension is worthless. All it does is kick the can down the road, it doesn’t solve anything.

Yes it does. It moves it into the next president's court, and thus the people decide via their votes.

And besides, Democrats can't hold out for the "ideal" - they need to settle for a big improvement. If they keep the govt shut down if it comes down to the DACA issue, they'll look like they have their priorities upside down (like last time).

The problem isn’t that everyone wants a turn to flip the on/off switch on DACA, the problem is all of the people in this country who were brought here as small children and who want to be able to build lives here (get educations and jobs, buy houses, etc.) without living under the constant threat of being thrown back to a country they have no memory of, no exposure to, and no resources to survive in. Simply giving them another six years’ grace period before it might happen does *nothing* for them. They have to continue to hide in the shadows of society, working off the books or with false documents at low-wage jobs, enduring violence and other crime without seeking help from law enforcement, going without regular medical care, anything that might create a paper trail that will allow the government to find them when DACA finally ends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:

1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.

(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)

A temporary DACA extension is worthless. All it does is kick the can down the road, it doesn’t solve anything.

Yes it does. It moves it into the next president's court, and thus the people decide via their votes.

And besides, Democrats can't hold out for the "ideal" - they need to settle for a big improvement. If they keep the govt shut down if it comes down to the DACA issue, they'll look like they have their priorities upside down (like last time).

You are missing the Dems’ real point, which is that this isn’t how any kind of deal should be done. Funding the government is supposed to be a simple administrative process that happens without much fanfare to then let the government do the actual work of debating things like walls and DACA. Holding the government hostage to get something you couldn’t otherwise get through the standard legislative process because you don’t have enough support is an abuse of the process and of our system of government. That’s what the Dems are taking a hard line on, not DACA. Reopen the government, let it function the way it’s supposed to, and then negotiate the wall the proper way.

[Anonymous]

Where’s McConnell?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:

1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.

(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)

A temporary DACA extension is worthless. All it does is kick the can down the road, it doesn’t solve anything.

Yes it does. It moves it into the next president's court, and thus the people decide via their votes.

And besides, Democrats can't hold out for the "ideal" - they need to settle for a big improvement. If they keep the govt shut down if it comes down to the DACA issue, they'll look like they have their priorities upside down (like last time).

You are missing the Dems’ real point, which is that this isn’t how any kind of deal should be done. Funding the government is supposed to be a simple administrative process that happens without much fanfare to then let the government do the actual work of debating things like walls and DACA. Holding the government hostage to get something you couldn’t otherwise get through the standard legislative process because you don’t have enough support is an abuse of the process and of our system of government. That’s what the Dems are taking a hard line on, not DACA. Reopen the government, let it function the way it’s supposed to, and then negotiate the wall the proper way.

+ A billion

[Anonymous]

You are missing the Dems’ real point, which is that this isn’t how any kind of deal should be done. Funding the government is supposed to be a simple administrative process that happens without much fanfare to then let the government do the actual work of debating things like walls and DACA. Holding the government hostage to get something you couldn’t otherwise get through the standard legislative process because you don’t have enough support is an abuse of the process and of our system of government. That’s what the Dems are taking a hard line on, not DACA. Reopen the government, let it function the way it’s supposed to, and then negotiate the wall the proper way.

+ A billion

Everyone cut and paste this to any discussion re: shutdown

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Where’s McConnell?

He is following the will of his party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Where’s McConnell?

He is following the will of his party.

Which is....do nothing. Lazy POSs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:

1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.

(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)

A temporary DACA extension is worthless. All it does is kick the can down the road, it doesn’t solve anything.

Yes it does. It moves it into the next president's court, and thus the people decide via their votes.

And besides, Democrats can't hold out for the "ideal" - they need to settle for a big improvement. If they keep the govt shut down if it comes down to the DACA issue, they'll look like they have their priorities upside down (like last time).

You are missing the Dems’ real point, which is that this isn’t how any kind of deal should be done. Funding the government is supposed to be a simple administrative process that happens without much fanfare to then let the government do the actual work of debating things like walls and DACA. Holding the government hostage to get something you couldn’t otherwise get through the standard legislative process because you don’t have enough support is an abuse of the process and of our system of government. That’s what the Dems are taking a hard line on, not DACA. Reopen the government, let it function the way it’s supposed to, and then negotiate the wall the proper way.[u]

For the back rows

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You are missing the Dems’ real point, which is that this isn’t how any kind of deal should be done. Funding the government is supposed to be a simple administrative process that happens without much fanfare to then let the government do the actual work of debating things like walls and DACA. Holding the government hostage to get something you couldn’t otherwise get through the standard legislative process because you don’t have enough support is an abuse of the process and of our system of government. That’s what the Dems are taking a hard line on, not DACA. Reopen the government, let it function the way it’s supposed to, and then negotiate the wall the proper way.

+ A billion

Everyone cut and paste this to any discussion re: shutdown
Well stated!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An additional concession on each side, and it's settled:

1) Trump agrees to extend DACA protections by six years, meaning he would be out of the WH and the next president would decide.
2) Pelosi delivers legislation that illegals cannot sneak into to this country, knowing that if they're caught they can still stay by claiming asylum.

(And of course the $5 billion for the wall.)

A temporary DACA extension is worthless. All it does is kick the can down the road, it doesn’t solve anything.

Yes it does. It moves it into the next president's court, and thus the people decide via their votes.

And besides, Democrats can't hold out for the "ideal" - they need to settle for a big improvement. If they keep the govt shut down if it comes down to the DACA issue, they'll look like they have their priorities upside down (like last time).

You are missing the Dems’ real point, which is that this isn’t how any kind of deal should be done. Funding the government is supposed to be a simple administrative process that happens without much fanfare to then let the government do the actual work of debating things like walls and DACA. Holding the government hostage to get something you couldn’t otherwise get through the standard legislative process because you don’t have enough support is an abuse of the process and of our system of government. That’s what the Dems are taking a hard line on, not DACA. Reopen the government, let it function the way it’s supposed to, and then negotiate the wall the proper way.[u]

For the back rows

Oh, now you've convinced me...

[Anonymous]

The Dems should just give $5 billion for the wall. Keeping the government shut over this isn't worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Dems should just give $5 billion for the wall. Keeping the government shut over this isn't worth it.

WTF? Trump closed it down because he is incapable of getting GOP support for the wall. It has nothing to do with the Dems.

No wall because nobody wants it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Dems should just give $5 billion for the wall. Keeping the government shut over this isn't worth it.

Any good child psychologist will tell you you don't give in to tantrums. It makes them worse.