Why are people so upset about Common Core?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Now, if you are upset that local control is allowing bad books to be selected as the curriculum, you sound like you have no faith in local control over schools. If so, there's a big problem, because local control is also what you are arguing FOR. How can you argue both for and against local control?

And, you think I have faith that Big Brother will choose the right curriculum for my child? Wow. The locals shut it down. Pay attention.

The locals shut it down because the locals set it up. How much faith do you have in Medium Brother to choose the right curriculum for your child?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You understand the problem here is the local school board having a man arrested for voicing his opinion? This is what happens when larger government gets control of the school system - those locals that are inclined to push an agenda, use the feds to hide behind.

He wasn't arrested for voicing his opinion. He was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct for refusing to adhere to the EXACT SAME RULE as every other person at that meeting... the 2 minute rule.

"At a school board meeting Monday night, Baer was given two minutes to speak, the same amount of time as others. He protested the limit and challenged the board to arrest him. A police officer led him away."

SO sick and tired of assholes at these meetings thinking what they have to say is so much more important than what everyone else has to say. You don't like the 2 minute rule? Lobby to change it. Don't be an asshole and challenge the School Board to have you arrested for not following the rules of civil society.

[Anonymous]

SO sick and tired of assholes at these meetings thinking what they have to say is so much more important than what everyone else has to say. You don't like the 2 minute rule? Lobby to change it. Don't be an asshole and challenge the School Board to have you arrested for not following the rules of civil society.

How many meetings have you been to like this? I haven't seen many. So, the guy went overtime. He shouldn't have done that. But, Arresting him? Give me a break.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whether the book was appropriate or not for a ninth grader, I don't know (never read it). But if every book with a passage about sex is suddenly considered porn, there is a lot of porn in our public libraries! Same with movies.

Should not be assigned in public school. Period. End of.

The book (fiction) is about a high school shooting in New Hampshire.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/16/books/16book.html?fta=y&_r=0

Can you imagine putting it on a list of books that high school students in New Hampshire might be interested in reading? Absurd, I know...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

What the what? Do you realize that you sound deranged?

This individual constantly mocks others for their views, and doesn't seem to understand how absolutely dangerous it is for a parent to be taken away in handcuffs at the behest of a school board. She needs a lesson in what government control looks like. She's expecting a pension from the state, but seems to not understand that (a) it's not a guarantee and (b) she has NO recourse if it's taken away. If the state goes bankrupt, it goes bankrupt.



Huh? I'm pretty sure I'm just mocking the views of you!

And I have been to a ton of community meetings, and I am sick and tired of jerks who disrupt the meetings and refuse to follow the rules, just because they think they have something more important that they just HAVE to have heard. Yes, I agree 2 minutes isn't a long time to speak, but there are 30 people waiting to have their say, dude. 2 minutes means 2 minutes. You aren't so special that you, just you and only you, get to go longer than 2 minutes. Them's the rules.

You sound deranged because of the nonsequitors in your post. Why are you talking about a pension, exactly? Relevance to discussion? Or are you just rambling now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

SO sick and tired of assholes at these meetings thinking what they have to say is so much more important than what everyone else has to say. You don't like the 2 minute rule? Lobby to change it. Don't be an asshole and challenge the School Board to have you arrested for not following the rules of civil society.

How many meetings have you been to like this? I haven't seen many. So, the guy went overtime. He shouldn't have done that. But, Arresting him? Give me a break.

You know who arrested him? The Common Core police. Yup. Yet another thing They haven't told you about the Common Core.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

SO sick and tired of assholes at these meetings thinking what they have to say is so much more important than what everyone else has to say. You don't like the 2 minute rule? Lobby to change it. Don't be an asshole and challenge the School Board to have you arrested for not following the rules of civil society.

How many meetings have you been to like this? I haven't seen many. So, the guy went overtime. He shouldn't have done that. But, Arresting him? Give me a break.

TONS. Everyone thinks what they have to say is of utmost importance. And to them, of course, it is. But 30 of them at once? There's a reason for the 2 minute rule. People will go on and on and on and on and on if you let them. And we all have to sit there and listen.

He was asked to stop, he didn't. He was told to leave, he refused and said you will have to arrest me! So, arrest him, they did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

SO sick and tired of assholes at these meetings thinking what they have to say is so much more important than what everyone else has to say. You don't like the 2 minute rule? Lobby to change it. Don't be an asshole and challenge the School Board to have you arrested for not following the rules of civil society.

How many meetings have you been to like this? I haven't seen many. So, the guy went overtime. He shouldn't have done that. But, Arresting him? Give me a break.

You know who arrested him? The Common Core police. Yup. Yet another thing They haven't told you about the Common Core.

Wait, was that snark? I think that was snark. /snark

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

SO sick and tired of assholes at these meetings thinking what they have to say is so much more important than what everyone else has to say. You don't like the 2 minute rule? Lobby to change it. Don't be an asshole and challenge the School Board to have you arrested for not following the rules of civil society.

How many meetings have you been to like this? I haven't seen many. So, the guy went overtime. He shouldn't have done that. But, Arresting him? Give me a break.

You know who arrested him? The Common Core police. Yup. Yet another thing They haven't told you about the Common Core.

Wait, was that snark? I think that was snark. /snark

Yes, it was snark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Now, if you are upset that local control is allowing bad books to be selected as the curriculum, you sound like you have no faith in local control over schools. If so, there's a big problem, because local control is also what you are arguing FOR. How can you argue both for and against local control?

And, you think I have faith that Big Brother will choose the right curriculum for my child? Wow. The locals shut it down. Pay attention.

The locals chose the curriculum that they then had to shut down. I really can't tell if you're just a troll or completely dense.

[Anonymous]

The locals chose the curriculum that they then had to shut down. I really can't tell if you're just a troll or completely dense.

And, how do we shut down something dumb that the feds do? Like "I can't wait for you to pass it so you can see what is in it?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The locals chose the curriculum that they then had to shut down. I really can't tell if you're just a troll or completely dense.

And, how do we shut down something dumb that the feds do? Like "I can't wait for you to pass it so you can see what is in it?"

It's not the feds, it's a state driven initiative.

And the standards are pretty decent. Everyone basically is saying that. They might have a quibble here or there, but for the most part the standards in math and language arts are pretty good. Everyone's saying "The devil is in the implementation" i.e. in the locally adopted curriculum.

It's true that something that is adopted nationwide will be harder to change once it's "in" the standards. But that
's the whole point of having nation-wide standards. You aren't supposed to be able to change things here and there -- NY changing what it doesn't like, Maine changing what it doesn't like. If you did that, you would not longer have the benefit of things being standard across many states.

And that's the whole point of having Common State Standards. It's not supposed to be easy to change them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The locals chose the curriculum that they then had to shut down. I really can't tell if you're just a troll or completely dense.

And, how do we shut down something dumb that the feds do? Like "I can't wait for you to pass it so you can see what is in it?"

Yup, that's the reason you don't like Common Core.

Follow the money. Also, Obamacare. /snark

[Anonymous]

It's not the feds, it's a state driven initiative.

That may have been true initially. With Race to the Top requirements, it is not driven by the states any longer.

[Anonymous]

Yup, that's the reason you don't like Common Core.

Follow the money. Also, Obamacare. /snark

You can snark all you want. It is a fact that once the feds get hold of something, it is almost impossible to change it. And, it does not necessarily mean it will be done well.