Fairfax County Double Murder

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Anonymous wrote:Is it possible that BB and AP paid JR to
kill CB? That may have been part of their plan, without JR knowing that they will kill him to leave no witness.

This was my first thought when the AP was charged, but it does not seem that there is evidence to support that theory at this time.

There is a missing piece to the story for certain. If the police truly believe this was second degree murder by the AP that means that they don't have evidence that the AP shooting Ryan was premeditated/pre-planned. But the story the AP told the police and all that was related in court does not match up with this not being premeditated/pre-planned.

I think there is still something big missing - I'm just not sure what. I feel like it's possible Brendan Banfield planned to frame Ryan and the AP and daughter weren't supposed to be in the house? I don't know. All I do know is that Brendan Banfield and the AP are cold as ice.

For sure. The other interesting thing from the bond hearing is that the Au pair’s attorney said he’s been asking for her things back (from police) since this summer. So, contrary to what AP told her mother (the case being closed and LE not considering her as a suspect), she’s had legal counsel since at least this summer. Seems like if she wasn’t involved at all, she would have been pushing her attorney this summer to get LE off her back so she could leave the US and move on with her life.

And why did she even have an attorney?

Who wouldn't under these circumstances?

Well, if she were innocent, didn’t pull the trigger, and the case was closed… All things she told her mother.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it possible that BB and AP paid JR to
kill CB? That may have been part of their plan, without JR knowing that they will kill him to leave no witness.

This was my first thought when the AP was charged, but it does not seem that there is evidence to support that theory at this time.

There is a missing piece to the story for certain. If the police truly believe this was second degree murder by the AP that means that they don't have evidence that the AP shooting Ryan was premeditated/pre-planned. But the story the AP told the police and all that was related in court does not match up with this not being premeditated/pre-planned.

I think there is still something big missing - I'm just not sure what. I feel like it's possible Brendan Banfield planned to frame Ryan and the AP and daughter weren't supposed to be in the house? I don't know. All I do know is that Brendan Banfield and the AP are cold as ice.

For sure. The other interesting thing from the bond hearing is that the Au pair’s attorney said he’s been asking for her things back (from police) since this summer. So, contrary to what AP told her mother (the case being closed and LE not considering her as a suspect), she’s had legal counsel since at least this summer. Seems like if she wasn’t involved at all, she would have been pushing her attorney this summer to get LE off her back so she could leave the US and move on with her life.

And why did she even have an attorney?

Who wouldn't under these circumstances?

Well, if she were innocent, didn’t pull the trigger, and the case was closed… All things she told her mother.

Oh, my sweet summer child.

Based on what has been reported, BB and AP did numerous inexplicable things. Retaining counsel isn't one of them.

Another topic that hasn't been brought up is that:

The Treasury Inspector General For Tax Administration (TIGTA) investigates allegations of IRS employee misconduct. It's a bit of an interesting question if he spoke with TIGTA. I wonder if he's a member of FLEOA.

Generally, if an IRS agent uses force they are required to memorialize the circumstances related to the use of force. Then they are interviewed by TIGTA. In such a situation, FLEOA might assign an attorney to represent that agent for the administrative part of the investigation.

IMO, FLEOA wouldn't staff an attorney for any criminal exposure he has.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of thief? Wouldn't that come up in a background check or was it a juvie thing?

I've yet to see anyone talk about BB in a positive way except CB and AP and AP just wanted his money and was psycho. She may have been jealous of a preschooler who just lost her Mom, at the hands of AP and BB. Birds of a feather as they say...

Her story and that of the state seem irreconcilable in key respects. Maybe she is a loon.

it was earlier on this thread. Guy was training him and said he knew bb was stealing from their bank (?) but couldn’t prove it.

I also knew BB personally about a decade ago and he actually bragged to me that he stole about 10k from a bank he was working at. He was positive he would never be caught because there was no proof. It was a Capital One if my memory serves me right.

Curious if you are a guy, PP?

I'm not a guy.

Also just to clarify (my comment was worded poorly), he was already working at the IRS when we spoke. This bank thing was probably prior to 2010.

I was just trying to get a sense if he boasted to guys or women or both. Seems like a really odd thing to boast about, especially in that job, but what do I know?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it possible that BB and AP paid JR to
kill CB? That may have been part of their plan, without JR knowing that they will kill him to leave no witness.

This was my first thought when the AP was charged, but it does not seem that there is evidence to support that theory at this time.

There is a missing piece to the story for certain. If the police truly believe this was second degree murder by the AP that means that they don't have evidence that the AP shooting Ryan was premeditated/pre-planned. But the story the AP told the police and all that was related in court does not match up with this not being premeditated/pre-planned.

I think there is still something big missing - I'm just not sure what. I feel like it's possible Brendan Banfield planned to frame Ryan and the AP and daughter weren't supposed to be in the house? I don't know. All I do know is that Brendan Banfield and the AP are cold as ice.

For sure. The other interesting thing from the bond hearing is that the Au pair’s attorney said he’s been asking for her things back (from police) since this summer. So, contrary to what AP told her mother (the case being closed and LE not considering her as a suspect), she’s had legal counsel since at least this summer. Seems like if she wasn’t involved at all, she would have been pushing her attorney this summer to get LE off her back so she could leave the US and move on with her life.

And why did she even have an attorney?

Who wouldn't under these circumstances?

Well, if she were innocent, didn’t pull the trigger, and the case was closed… All things she told her mother.

Oh, my sweet summer child.

Based on what has been reported, BB and AP did numerous inexplicable things. Retaining counsel isn't one of them.

Another topic that hasn't been brought up is that:

The Treasury Inspector General For Tax Administration (TIGTA) investigates allegations of IRS employee misconduct. It's a bit of an interesting question if he spoke with TIGTA. I wonder if he's a member of FLEOA.

Generally, if an IRS agent uses force they are required to memorialize the circumstances related to the use of force. Then they are interviewed by TIGTA. In such a situation, FLEOA might assign an attorney to represent that agent for the administrative part of the investigation.

IMO, FLEOA wouldn't staff an attorney for any criminal exposure he has.

I think the firing of his service revolver is a big piece shaping their telling of the story. VA says BB NOT in house when AP shot JR. So her telling was not supported by the evidence according to the government. Seems they have good evidence because him not being present was a key to charging her. SO if he was not there, how was his service revolver present and used? We've only heard a bit of the government's case and evidence. Far more to come out, at trial for if they try for bond again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of thief? Wouldn't that come up in a background check or was it a juvie thing?

I've yet to see anyone talk about BB in a positive way except CB and AP and AP just wanted his money and was psycho. She may have been jealous of a preschooler who just lost her Mom, at the hands of AP and BB. Birds of a feather as they say...

Her story and that of the state seem irreconcilable in key respects. Maybe she is a loon.

it was earlier on this thread. Guy was training him and said he knew bb was stealing from their bank (?) but couldn’t prove it.

I also knew BB personally about a decade ago and he actually bragged to me that he stole about 10k from a bank he was working at. He was positive he would never be caught because there was no proof. It was a Capital One if my memory serves me right.

Curious if you are a guy, PP?

I'm not a guy.

Also just to clarify (my comment was worded poorly), he was already working at the IRS when we spoke. This bank thing was probably prior to 2010.

Other posts in this thread have said that he now works for the FBI. Do you know if that’s true, or is/was he still working for the IRS earlier this year?

I ask because the FBI requires polygraphs. How would stealing 10K be something one could hide in the course of the security interview, background investigation, and poly? Seems like that or instances of criminal behavior, or just being the kind of person people didn’t really trust, would have prevented a security clearance.

He has always worked for IRS as fed LE. People hear "fed LE" and think FBI and I think he did not correct. But, yes, there is a security check . Some people lie quite convincingly. Like he did for his clearance or AP did to her mother to get her to promote her fake stories in that interview.

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Anonymous wrote:If BB simply had divorced, he would have still been able to take Juliana to the gym and restaurants. They'd just need to move to a smaller place, not a big deal. I wonder if they were planning to leave the country.

Wife (ex-wife) would be afforded half his federal pension plus his TSP (gov'ts version of 401k) if they divorced.

And he would get half of hers. She was likely higher paid as a nurse. He was a low level fed.

Financial angle/loss of retirement bennies would be greater for him, I imagine, thus a prime motive. Given his potential salary at retirement, his pension would amount to a nice figure. Also consider the fact that many feds retire with $1 million plus in their TSP accounts. She would most likely be allotted half if they were to divorce based on his infidelity.

I can't speak to nurses and pensions, but I gather that he was the one who had more to lose financially in a divorce.

No, the government pension is not what it used to be -- especially for people hired after a certain date. I retired about 2 years ago as a GS-15, and my pension is about 1/3 of my salary, less health insurance, taxes, etc. The pension basically pays my mortgage. I'm not complaining, but I definitely cannot NOT work if I want to live in the area (I'm a contractor now). Maybe if I move to Idabel, OK, I could live on my pension... All this to say, his pension would not be that big.

Yes, Fed gov't changed FERS **in 2013**. If you were hired before 2013, your contribution rate and bennies were not affected. I'm guessing that, if you're already retired, and we're in 2023, ypu were hired before 2013. And I agree that staying in the DC area post-retirement would eat up your monthly check, given the area's high cost of living.

But my point is that he didn't want to split his pension/TSP with her. Men I've known who went through divorces had to start new careers upon retirement in order to make up for the loss of pension/TSP income.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it possible that BB and AP paid JR to
kill CB? That may have been part of their plan, without JR knowing that they will kill him to leave no witness.

This was my first thought when the AP was charged, but it does not seem that there is evidence to support that theory at this time.

There is a missing piece to the story for certain. If the police truly believe this was second degree murder by the AP that means that they don't have evidence that the AP shooting Ryan was premeditated/pre-planned. But the story the AP told the police and all that was related in court does not match up with this not being premeditated/pre-planned.

I think there is still something big missing - I'm just not sure what. I feel like it's possible Brendan Banfield planned to frame Ryan and the AP and daughter weren't supposed to be in the house? I don't know. All I do know is that Brendan Banfield and the AP are cold as ice.

For sure. The other interesting thing from the bond hearing is that the Au pair’s attorney said he’s been asking for her things back (from police) since this summer. So, contrary to what AP told her mother (the case being closed and LE not considering her as a suspect), she’s had legal counsel since at least this summer. Seems like if she wasn’t involved at all, she would have been pushing her attorney this summer to get LE off her back so she could leave the US and move on with her life.

And why did she even have an attorney?

Who wouldn't under these circumstances?

Well, if she were innocent, didn’t pull the trigger, and the case was closed… All things she told her mother.

Oh, my sweet summer child.

Based on what has been reported, BB and AP did numerous inexplicable things. Retaining counsel isn't one of them.

Another topic that hasn't been brought up is that:

The Treasury Inspector General For Tax Administration (TIGTA) investigates allegations of IRS employee misconduct. It's a bit of an interesting question if he spoke with TIGTA. I wonder if he's a member of FLEOA.

Generally, if an IRS agent uses force they are required to memorialize the circumstances related to the use of force. Then they are interviewed by TIGTA. In such a situation, FLEOA might assign an attorney to represent that agent for the administrative part of the investigation.

IMO, FLEOA wouldn't staff an attorney for any criminal exposure he has.

I think the firing of his service revolver is a big piece shaping their telling of the story. VA says BB NOT in house when AP shot JR. So her telling was not supported by the evidence according to the government. Seems they have good evidence because him not being present was a key to charging her. SO if he was not there, how was his service revolver present and used? We've only heard a bit of the government's case and evidence. Far more to come out, at trial for if they try for bond again.

Capt'n pedantic has entered the chat. Revolvers were phased out by the feds decades ago. I've never seen a fed with one. I haven't seen a state or local officer with a revolver in a decade.

BB allegedly told dispatch that he shot JR. if he lied about that, which is plausible, he's going to have a huge problem 'splaining that to the IRS and/or TIGTA. His career is likely the least of his problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of thief? Wouldn't that come up in a background check or was it a juvie thing?

I've yet to see anyone talk about BB in a positive way except CB and AP and AP just wanted his money and was psycho. She may have been jealous of a preschooler who just lost her Mom, at the hands of AP and BB. Birds of a feather as they say...

Her story and that of the state seem irreconcilable in key respects. Maybe she is a loon.

it was earlier on this thread. Guy was training him and said he knew bb was stealing from their bank (?) but couldn’t prove it.

I also knew BB personally about a decade ago and he actually bragged to me that he stole about 10k from a bank he was working at. He was positive he would never be caught because there was no proof. It was a Capital One if my memory serves me right.

Oh please, this PP is 100% a troll.

[Anonymous]

Magalhaes said Banfield’s husband, who is a special agent for the IRS, pulled out his service weapon and went into the bedroom where he saw Ryan with a knife to Banfield’s throat.

Magalhaes’ lawyer said Banfield’s husband told Ryan to drop the knife and that Ryan, in turn, told Banfield’s husband to drop his gun. Ryan supposedly stabbed Banfield several times in her neck. Magalhaes’ lawyer said Banfield’s husband shot Ryan in his head, not killing him, but in a way the medical examiner said would have blinded Ryan. The lawyer said Banfield’s husband told Magalhaes to grab his gun, which she got out of a safe in the bathroom. Magalhaes said Ryan started flailing around or posed a threat of some sort, possibly moving to get up off of the ground. Her lawyer said that’s when she shot Ryan, hitting him in the heart, and killing him.

https://www.dcnewsnow.com/news/local-news/virginia/fairfax-county/defense-prosecution-outline-adult-relationships-activities-at-hearing-for-au-pair-charged-in-reston-murder-fairfax-county-judge-denies-bond/amp/

Per AP's lawyer they BOTH shot JR. Banfield with his IRS "service weapon" and AP with a gun from a safe in the bathroom.

There was discussion upthread re: if the murders took place in the master or a guest bedroom. A master would have an attached bathroom, would other bedrooms have one or would they have a hall bath, any neighbors know?

[Anonymous]

^ To reiterate, VA's version is that JR was shot by AP when BB was outside of the home. That is irreconcilable with the narrative of her attorney above.

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Magalhaes said Banfield’s husband, who is a special agent for the IRS, pulled out his service weapon and went into the bedroom where he saw Ryan with a knife to Banfield’s throat.

Magalhaes’ lawyer said Banfield’s husband told Ryan to drop the knife and that Ryan, in turn, told Banfield’s husband to drop his gun. Ryan supposedly stabbed Banfield several times in her neck. Magalhaes’ lawyer said Banfield’s husband shot Ryan in his head, not killing him, but in a way the medical examiner said would have blinded Ryan. The lawyer said Banfield’s husband told Magalhaes to grab his gun, which she got out of a safe in the bathroom. Magalhaes said Ryan started flailing around or posed a threat of some sort, possibly moving to get up off of the ground. Her lawyer said that’s when she shot Ryan, hitting him in the heart, and killing him.

https://www.dcnewsnow.com/news/local-news/virginia/fairfax-county/defense-prosecution-outline-adult-relationships-activities-at-hearing-for-au-pair-charged-in-reston-murder-fairfax-county-judge-denies-bond/amp/

Per AP's lawyer they BOTH shot JR. Banfield with his IRS "service weapon" and AP with a gun from a safe in the bathroom.

There was discussion upthread re: if the murders took place in the master or a guest bedroom. A master would have an attached bathroom, would other bedrooms have one or would they have a hall bath, any neighbors know?

DP - I hope this hearing transcript gets released at some point because this sentence "Magalhaes’ lawyer said Banfield’s husband shot Ryan in his head, not killing him, but in a way the medical examiner said would have blinded Ryan" caught my attention. I'm assuming Magalhaes' lawyer is referring to either the state/county medical examiner's report or an independent medical examiner's report here. Really interesting that the spin is that the husband fired a non-fatal shot and she fired the fatal shot.

I do feel that the police will be able to charge Banfield himself at some point. I'm a little surprised they have not done so thus far. It's concerning, actually.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of thief? Wouldn't that come up in a background check or was it a juvie thing?

I've yet to see anyone talk about BB in a positive way except CB and AP and AP just wanted his money and was psycho. She may have been jealous of a preschooler who just lost her Mom, at the hands of AP and BB. Birds of a feather as they say...

Her story and that of the state seem irreconcilable in key respects. Maybe she is a loon.

it was earlier on this thread. Guy was training him and said he knew bb was stealing from their bank (?) but couldn’t prove it.

I also knew BB personally about a decade ago and he actually bragged to me that he stole about 10k from a bank he was working at. He was positive he would never be caught because there was no proof. It was a Capital One if my memory serves me right.

Oh please, this PP is 100% a troll.

Not a troll. Just knew him reeeeally well for about a year.

[Anonymous]

By overcharging and holding her I believe their hope is that she will flip for a lesser plea deal as a means to get him on enhanced charges, perhaps conspiracy and the like. So, patience. She's only been in a cage for 2 weeks and was just denied bond. It may take some time before she feels like being more truthful with LE. Or she may be ride or die for her monstrous and murderous boo, time will tell.

I expect there will be charges for the stabbing of Christine Banfield, but not immediately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of thief? Wouldn't that come up in a background check or was it a juvie thing?

I've yet to see anyone talk about BB in a positive way except CB and AP and AP just wanted his money and was psycho. She may have been jealous of a preschooler who just lost her Mom, at the hands of AP and BB. Birds of a feather as they say...

Her story and that of the state seem irreconcilable in key respects. Maybe she is a loon.

it was earlier on this thread. Guy was training him and said he knew bb was stealing from their bank (?) but couldn’t prove it.

I also knew BB personally about a decade ago and he actually bragged to me that he stole about 10k from a bank he was working at. He was positive he would never be caught because there was no proof. It was a Capital One if my memory serves me right.

Oh please, this PP is 100% a troll.

Not a troll. Just knew him reeeeally well for about a year.

He seems to have several friends who fit that description.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This has gone too far when people are conjecturing about how they afford their lifestyle. FYI - Tesla's can cost less than a Jeep.

Stop it with the nanny language police.

And you make no sense. "Teslas can cost less than a Jeep." Uh, ok, and both still are a financial stretch for a fed, a nurse and a family with expensive in home childcare. Never mind when ONE EARNER IS NOW DEAD, cutting income significantly.

I think it "went too far" when BB and au pair started swanning around like "the last of the real ones" IRL in public and on socials, not to mention it was WAY TOO FAR when 2 human beings were MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD, but that's just me. Gossip about the neighbor's stuff and what it costs? It's called keeping up with the Joneses!

Having an aupair is cheaper than a nanny or daycare when you need to accommodate a nurse's schedule.