Love Story: JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bassette

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that she was extremely late to the airstrip because she spent a couple of hours at the nail salon having the paint color redone several times to match her outfit for the rehearsal dinner.
By the time she finally arrived, it was dark already. They should have just skipped the dinner and waited until the next day to fly to the wedding but he thought they could still arrive in time for dinner even though he had not yet achieved the level of flying by instrument panel. There is no horizon in the darkness. They probably had no idea that they were heading into the water.
Both parties were daft. This is why his mother prohibited him from pursuing flying small aircrafts while she was alive. She understood something about his lack of judgement.

I think any pilot would tell you that it has absolutely nothing to do with her nails. He was the pilot. It’s on him completely. He killed them all with obvious negligence. It would probably be criminal if he had somehow survived.

His plan was to drop Lauren at MV and then he and Carolyn would continue onto Hyannis Port. He turned down a flight instructor who offered to accompany them that afternoon due to the dark/weather. It just seemed like a very ambitious flight plan given his lack of experience, the night, and the hazy weather. A totally preventable tragedy. Their poor families.

I'm sure they'll never say but I'd love to know what the girls' mother and surviving sister think of him. I also thought it was a little odd that Jack Schlossberg only mentioned John not Carolyn in his recent comments.

I would guess that the Bessettes and Kennedys who signed the monetary settlement had to agree never to publicly discuss their relationship or accident. Jack wouldn't have been a party to that agreement, but the wider Kennedy family has probably all agreed not to discuss Carolyn publicly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that she was extremely late to the airstrip because she spent a couple of hours at the nail salon having the paint color redone several times to match her outfit for the rehearsal dinner.
By the time she finally arrived, it was dark already. They should have just skipped the dinner and waited until the next day to fly to the wedding but he thought they could still arrive in time for dinner even though he had not yet achieved the level of flying by instrument panel. There is no horizon in the darkness. They probably had no idea that they were heading into the water.
Both parties were daft. This is why his mother prohibited him from pursuing flying small aircrafts while she was alive. She understood something about his lack of judgement.

I think any pilot would tell you that it has absolutely nothing to do with her nails. He was the pilot. It’s on him completely. He killed them all with obvious negligence. It would probably be criminal if he had somehow survived.

His plan was to drop Lauren at MV and then he and Carolyn would continue onto Hyannis Port. He turned down a flight instructor who offered to accompany them that afternoon due to the dark/weather. It just seemed like a very ambitious flight plan given his lack of experience, the night, and the hazy weather. A totally preventable tragedy. Their poor families.

I'm sure they'll never say but I'd love to know what the girls' mother and surviving sister think of him. I also thought it was a little odd that Jack Schlossberg only mentioned John not Carolyn in his recent comments.

I would guess that the Bessettes and Kennedys who signed the monetary settlement had to agree never to publicly discuss their relationship or accident. Jack wouldn't have been a party to that agreement, but the wider Kennedy family has probably all agreed not to discuss Carolyn publicly.

And clearly there was a rift between the families. No amount of money will atone for the loss of their daughters, and their treatment in the aftermath. The Kennedys don't seem the type to make any effort to atone beyond the money, and I'm quite sure would have made every effort to get out of that if they had a leg to stand on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"My understanding is that she was extremely late to the airstrip because she spent a couple of hours at the nail salon having the paint color redone several times to match her outfit for the rehearsal dinner.
By the time she finally arrived, it was dark already. They should have just skipped the dinner and waited until the next day to fly to the wedding but he thought they could still arrive in time for dinner even though he had not yet achieved the level of flying by instrument panel. There is no horizon in the darkness. They probably had no idea that they were heading into the water.
Both parties were daft. This is why his mother prohibited him from pursuing flying small aircrafts while she was alive. She understood something about his lack of judgement.
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Not believing this for one second. This does not sound like something she would do AT ALL.

She was apparently late to her own wedding. Very late.

Her wedding was no more than 40 people, all family and close friends. It's not like she kept 200 people crammed into pews at a church in NYC. I doubt anyone cared that much.

[Anonymous]

What is up with that horrible Jackie O accent on Naomi Watts? It's really bizarre.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is up with that horrible Jackie O accent on Naomi Watts? It's really bizarre.

She should have been recast, what an atrocious performance.

[Anonymous]

Also: FWIW, friend attended Brown with JFK Jr. and said he was a nice guy. Flawed/spoiled in sort of an offhand way, yes, but he wasn't a jerk or a bad person, and could be very kind and sensitive. He grew up under enormous pressure and was remarkably well-adjusted given the circumstances. That said, he had no business flying that night - totally arrogant and reckless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Carolyn was a very pretty woman but I never understood the hype behind her personal style.

I think she was just incredibly restrained in her clothes and accessories, and very disciplined about it. She never put a foot wrong or had any misses. And her height, perfect blonde hair, and flawless skin made her stand out. On most other women, perhaps the fashion wouldn't be notable. It's sort of sad because it sounds like she became more and more minimalist in an effort to disappear or not draw any scrutiny.

[Anonymous]

He was always a womanizer, even if he made an effort to tamp it down in the early years of his marriage. Someone made a timeline, with another poster responding there were a lot more 'one-offs' that needed to be added.

In 1991 John dated Daryl. Julie, and possibly Carolyn

In 1992 John dated Julie, Daryl, and Carolyn.

In 1993 John dated Daryl and Carolyn

In 1994, John dated Daryl, Carolyn, Julie, and had a one night stand with a porn star.

In 1995 John dated Carolyn, but 'kept in touch with Julie."

In 1996 John and Carolyn become engaged, then married. John stays in touch with Julie

In summer 1998, John is seeing Julie again according to her friend circle. John is married to Carolyn.

In fall 1998 Carolyn begins her emotional affair.

In Winter 1998- 1999 Carolyn stops sleeping with John.

In July 1999, Julie Baker is seen late at night and again at breakfast with John at the Stanhope Hotel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He was always a womanizer, even if he made an effort to tamp it down in the early years of his marriage. Someone made a timeline, with another poster responding there were a lot more 'one-offs' that needed to be added.

In 1991 John dated Daryl. Julie, and possibly Carolyn

In 1992 John dated Julie, Daryl, and Carolyn.

In 1993 John dated Daryl and Carolyn

In 1994, John dated Daryl, Carolyn, Julie, and had a one night stand with a porn star.

In 1995 John dated Carolyn, but 'kept in touch with Julie."

In 1996 John and Carolyn become engaged, then married. John stays in touch with Julie

In summer 1998, John is seeing Julie again according to her friend circle. John is married to Carolyn.

In fall 1998 Carolyn begins her emotional affair.

In Winter 1998- 1999 Carolyn stops sleeping with John.

In July 1999, Julie Baker is seen late at night and again at breakfast with John at the Stanhope Hotel.

Sometime before George magazine cover shoot at offices of George -
John: "Hi, I'm John"
Cindy: "Hi, I'm Cindy".
Publishing assistant: Huge eyeroll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was always a womanizer, even if he made an effort to tamp it down in the early years of his marriage. Someone made a timeline, with another poster responding there were a lot more 'one-offs' that needed to be added.

In 1991 John dated Daryl. Julie, and possibly Carolyn

In 1992 John dated Julie, Daryl, and Carolyn.

In 1993 John dated Daryl and Carolyn

In 1994, John dated Daryl, Carolyn, Julie, and had a one night stand with a porn star.

In 1995 John dated Carolyn, but 'kept in touch with Julie."

In 1996 John and Carolyn become engaged, then married. John stays in touch with Julie

In summer 1998, John is seeing Julie again according to her friend circle. John is married to Carolyn.

In fall 1998 Carolyn begins her emotional affair.

In Winter 1998- 1999 Carolyn stops sleeping with John.

In July 1999, Julie Baker is seen late at night and again at breakfast with John at the Stanhope Hotel.

Sometime before George magazine cover shoot at offices of George -
John: "Hi, I'm John"
Cindy: "Hi, I'm Cindy".
Publishing assistant: Huge eyeroll

I kinda doubt it. Cindy Crawford has always been known as intelligent and very professional. There's no way she would be sloppy enough to get involved with JFK Jr.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It was not a love story.

Can you elaborate on this?

NP. They fought a lot and his hubris resulted in her death and sibling's death.

They should not have been flying. No doubt about that. She was a really bad person. Cheated on him regularly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was always a womanizer, even if he made an effort to tamp it down in the early years of his marriage. Someone made a timeline, with another poster responding there were a lot more 'one-offs' that needed to be added.

In 1991 John dated Daryl. Julie, and possibly Carolyn

In 1992 John dated Julie, Daryl, and Carolyn.

In 1993 John dated Daryl and Carolyn

In 1994, John dated Daryl, Carolyn, Julie, and had a one night stand with a porn star.

In 1995 John dated Carolyn, but 'kept in touch with Julie."

In 1996 John and Carolyn become engaged, then married. John stays in touch with Julie

In summer 1998, John is seeing Julie again according to her friend circle. John is married to Carolyn.

In fall 1998 Carolyn begins her emotional affair.

In Winter 1998- 1999 Carolyn stops sleeping with John.

In July 1999, Julie Baker is seen late at night and again at breakfast with John at the Stanhope Hotel.

Sometime before George magazine cover shoot at offices of George -
John: "Hi, I'm John"
Cindy: "Hi, I'm Cindy".
Publishing assistant: Huge eyeroll

I kinda doubt it. Cindy Crawford has always been known as intelligent and very professional. There's no way she would be sloppy enough to get involved with JFK Jr.

CC's kids are a mess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was always a womanizer, even if he made an effort to tamp it down in the early years of his marriage. Someone made a timeline, with another poster responding there were a lot more 'one-offs' that needed to be added.

In 1991 John dated Daryl. Julie, and possibly Carolyn

In 1992 John dated Julie, Daryl, and Carolyn.

In 1993 John dated Daryl and Carolyn

In 1994, John dated Daryl, Carolyn, Julie, and had a one night stand with a porn star.

In 1995 John dated Carolyn, but 'kept in touch with Julie."

In 1996 John and Carolyn become engaged, then married. John stays in touch with Julie

In summer 1998, John is seeing Julie again according to her friend circle. John is married to Carolyn.

In fall 1998 Carolyn begins her emotional affair.

In Winter 1998- 1999 Carolyn stops sleeping with John.

In July 1999, Julie Baker is seen late at night and again at breakfast with John at the Stanhope Hotel.

Sometime before George magazine cover shoot at offices of George -
John: "Hi, I'm John"
Cindy: "Hi, I'm Cindy".
Publishing assistant: Huge eyeroll

I kinda doubt it. Cindy Crawford has always been known as intelligent and very professional. There's no way she would be sloppy enough to get involved with JFK Jr.

Rumor has it they dated briefly after she and Richard Gere separated. Would hardly be surprising with his rep. Must have been a real headf**k knowing you could have any woman you wanted. Apparently he was reasonably nice, all things considered. But he epitomized the truism of men only being as faithful as their options. Carolyn knew whom she married. This dumb show can put a glossy spin on their romance but he was never faithful for long and she was his plan B for quite a while.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was always a womanizer, even if he made an effort to tamp it down in the early years of his marriage. Someone made a timeline, with another poster responding there were a lot more 'one-offs' that needed to be added.

In 1991 John dated Daryl. Julie, and possibly Carolyn

In 1992 John dated Julie, Daryl, and Carolyn.

In 1993 John dated Daryl and Carolyn

In 1994, John dated Daryl, Carolyn, Julie, and had a one night stand with a porn star.

In 1995 John dated Carolyn, but 'kept in touch with Julie."

In 1996 John and Carolyn become engaged, then married. John stays in touch with Julie

In summer 1998, John is seeing Julie again according to her friend circle. John is married to Carolyn.

In fall 1998 Carolyn begins her emotional affair.

In Winter 1998- 1999 Carolyn stops sleeping with John.

In July 1999, Julie Baker is seen late at night and again at breakfast with John at the Stanhope Hotel.

Sometime before George magazine cover shoot at offices of George -
John: "Hi, I'm John"
Cindy: "Hi, I'm Cindy".
Publishing assistant: Huge eyeroll

I kinda doubt it. Cindy Crawford has always been known as intelligent and very professional. There's no way she would be sloppy enough to get involved with JFK Jr.

Rumor has it they dated briefly after she and Richard Gere separated. Would hardly be surprising with his rep. Must have been a real headf**k knowing you could have any woman you wanted. Apparently he was reasonably nice, all things considered. But he epitomized the truism of men only being as faithful as their options. Carolyn knew whom she married. This dumb show can put a glossy spin on their romance but he was never faithful for long and she was his plan B for quite a while.

I don't think either one was faithful. Kind of like his parents' marriage. Nobody was faithful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was always a womanizer, even if he made an effort to tamp it down in the early years of his marriage. Someone made a timeline, with another poster responding there were a lot more 'one-offs' that needed to be added.

In 1991 John dated Daryl. Julie, and possibly Carolyn

In 1992 John dated Julie, Daryl, and Carolyn.

In 1993 John dated Daryl and Carolyn

In 1994, John dated Daryl, Carolyn, Julie, and had a one night stand with a porn star.

In 1995 John dated Carolyn, but 'kept in touch with Julie."

In 1996 John and Carolyn become engaged, then married. John stays in touch with Julie

In summer 1998, John is seeing Julie again according to her friend circle. John is married to Carolyn.

In fall 1998 Carolyn begins her emotional affair.

In Winter 1998- 1999 Carolyn stops sleeping with John.

In July 1999, Julie Baker is seen late at night and again at breakfast with John at the Stanhope Hotel.

Sometime before George magazine cover shoot at offices of George -
John: "Hi, I'm John"
Cindy: "Hi, I'm Cindy".
Publishing assistant: Huge eyeroll

I kinda doubt it. Cindy Crawford has always been known as intelligent and very professional. There's no way she would be sloppy enough to get involved with JFK Jr.

Rumor has it they dated briefly after she and Richard Gere separated. Would hardly be surprising with his rep. Must have been a real headf**k knowing you could have any woman you wanted. Apparently he was reasonably nice, all things considered. But he epitomized the truism of men only being as faithful as their options. Carolyn knew whom she married. This dumb show can put a glossy spin on their romance but he was never faithful for long and she was his plan B for quite a while.

I don't think either one was faithful. Kind of like his parents' marriage. Nobody was faithful.

Agreed. But I think she cheated when she was feeling insecure in the relationship, and he cheated because he was entitled and wanted to. Although there was a lot of passion between them, I highly doubt the marriage would have lasted. Even if they did move out of the city and had kids, she would never be able to trust his whereabouts. I don't think they were mature enough to come to an agreement about ethical non-monogamy. She felt too insecure, and had too bourgeoise a background for that. And if she continued to refuse to have kids, he definitely would have divorced her. That was a non-negotiable.