AAC President in the SAFESPORT Database

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those interested in the outcome:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-federal-attorney-sentenced-sexually-exploiting-numerous-children

AAC needs to put out a very strong, victim-focused statement and institute measures that go well beyond obligation, both for optics and for actual training. Curl-Burke rebranded before social media really was what it is now (2012), even with all the same old coaches there into one of the most competitive and largest clubs in the nation (including a robust Burke location). As someone whose son trains at NCAP-Burke, I never leave my child there alone or let him be anywhere near where the coaches are when he is alone. Never. And, from what I’ve seen, NCAP-Burke has implemented stronger measures than those required by SafeSport. AAC needs to carefully craft a response and put positive steps into action. Yes, yes, I know this is different than NCAP/Curl-Burke by a million miles, but this was the AAC President and they need to give assurances, backed by action, and a supportive statement for all victims, know or unknown. (If they have already done this and I missed it, my heartfelt apologies and applause for AAC.) Now is the time for transparent leadership and a clear-cut action plan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those interested in the outcome:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-federal-attorney-sentenced-sexually-exploiting-numerous-children

There’s a special place in hell for people like him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those interested in the outcome:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-federal-attorney-sentenced-sexually-exploiting-numerous-children

There’s a special place in hell for people like him.

Agree

[Anonymous]

172,707 images of child sexual abuse material?!?! 20 years isn’t enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those interested in the outcome:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-federal-attorney-sentenced-sexually-exploiting-numerous-children

AAC needs to put out a very strong, victim-focused statement and institute measures that go well beyond obligation, both for optics and for actual training. Curl-Burke rebranded before social media really was what it is now (2012), even with all the same old coaches there into one of the most competitive and largest clubs in the nation (including a robust Burke location). As someone whose son trains at NCAP-Burke, I never leave my child there alone or let him be anywhere near where the coaches are when he is alone. Never. And, from what I’ve seen, NCAP-Burke has implemented stronger measures than those required by SafeSport. AAC needs to carefully craft a response and put positive steps into action. Yes, yes, I know this is different than NCAP/Curl-Burke by a million miles, but this was the AAC President and they need to give assurances, backed by action, and a supportive statement for all victims, know or unknown. (If they have already done this and I missed it, my heartfelt apologies and applause for AAC.) Now is the time for transparent leadership and a clear-cut action plan.

NCAP rebranded. But what really else was done?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAC better get a statement out real quick. This is nauseating.

Can you imagine if he was chaperoning club travel trips?????????

AAC is not even related with anything he is being charged of. He has never chaperoned a trip and AAC knows just as much information as the public since they weren’t involved. They are being as transparent as possible.

AAC doesn’t keep records of who goes on what trips.

Booster leaders tend to get preferential treatment and are secretive. They have closed door meetings. Do not “run” for positions nor post publicly when meetings are held. There are no minutes.

They can be on deck and down with the coaches. There kids get placed in better swim groups sometimes over better swimmers.

That's nonsense. Of course they know who is chaperoning trips. Every volunteer has to pass a background check. This thread is about a sick, evil man who seemingly passed undetected by all who encountered him....family, co-workers, neighbors, friends. Your commentary is unrelated and you sound unhinged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those interested in the outcome:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-federal-attorney-sentenced-sexually-exploiting-numerous-children

AAC needs to put out a very strong, victim-focused statement and institute measures that go well beyond obligation, both for optics and for actual training. Curl-Burke rebranded before social media really was what it is now (2012), even with all the same old coaches there into one of the most competitive and largest clubs in the nation (including a robust Burke location). As someone whose son trains at NCAP-Burke, I never leave my child there alone or let him be anywhere near where the coaches are when he is alone. Never. And, from what I’ve seen, NCAP-Burke has implemented stronger measures than those required by SafeSport. AAC needs to carefully craft a response and put positive steps into action. Yes, yes, I know this is different than NCAP/Curl-Burke by a million miles, but this was the AAC President and they need to give assurances, backed by action, and a supportive statement for all victims, know or unknown. (If they have already done this and I missed it, my heartfelt apologies and applause for AAC.) Now is the time for transparent leadership and a clear-cut action plan.

AAC put out a statement. This garbage human was not the current Booster president. None of the charges are related to the club or swimmers.

I hope he rots.

[Anonymous]

Although he might be gone why is AAC not safe sport certified anymore? Thinking of switching to AAC but notice through this they are not safe sport certified like many other clubs. Is this due to this? Or their inability to do it?

Also, have would love to know more about boosters. No information anywhere about who they are and how to contact them. Seems ran by coaches with no oversight? Does county have any oversight?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Although he might be gone why is AAC not safe sport certified anymore? Thinking of switching to AAC but notice through this they are not safe sport certified like many other clubs. Is this due to this? Or their inability to do it?

Also, have would love to know more about boosters. No information anywhere about who they are and how to contact them. Seems ran by coaches with no oversight? Does county have any oversight?

I am not sure why AAC is not safesport certified anymore, it might have something to do with Black. Not really sure. They used to have all the Booster information very public but after the Black thing they seemed to have become a weird shadow organization at AAC. There is nothing public and they send nothing to the club members either.

The Boosters at AAC is a problem and there is definitely more tension with the competition groups at AAC and the Boosters. AAC is run by the County (1st), then the coaches. But, in practice, the Boosters has morphed from a group that is supposed to help and assist the coaches to a group that thinks they are in charge.

The County does not understand how to run a swim team/club. So because of the County, AAC does not host many meets even though they have a nice facility even if a slow pool. They make hiring coaches difficult and they have treated the head coach poorly. The County also just doesn't understand how to run a swim program or a club, they should probably look at other clubs to see how it is done and emulate.

As for the boosters, they are probably the bigger issue to holding the club back. They do not hold open meetings, publish minutes, list their leadership or hold elections. They are a group of friends that over lawyer every decision hiding behind fake liability so that they do not have to act on anything. They do not support the coaches but do a great job of roadblocking them. They have allowed the team's insurance to lapse so there is no more team travel (when there was team travel it was only the competition group that their children were in that were allowed to go) so the only travel is family. They have an extremely limited charter but have somehow expanded themselves to think that they are a governing body. So when the coaches want to do something, they say no, when they should be figuring out how to make it happen.

The bigger hiccup with them is that they gatekeep messages to the coaches. Over the years I have known at least a dozen amazing families wanted to get involved and help to improve the club, etc. They have asked to chaperone travel meets, plan events/socials, help organize, help with merchandise, and want to be on the boosters and they have been blocked from doing so. The boosters then messages to the coaches that they just cannot get people to help.

The boosters do not fundraise like traditional boosters do for organizations. There is a mandatory fee that each swimmer pays that is a few hundred dollars. This budget is quite a bit and they pay for the banquet with it. The rest of the money makes everyone wonder. They do not pay for team travel, they do not host events, they do buy t-shirts for certain meets but this is for a very small number of top swimmers. So basically the money taken in is to benefit the elite swimmers off the backs of the general membership.

The Boosters has also become a way for those parents on it to get their kids in the better competition groups that their times and abilities do not support. This is well known in the club and kind of sad for those swimmers. Literally you will hear the kids say so and so should not be in this group but is in it because mom or dad is on the boosters.

We have been with the club a while and have one swimmer left. We would have left, but our swimmer likes their friends. Are there better clubs? Yes. AAC used to be pretty good. it actually is very disheartening. My husband tried for years to help and get involved and we were frozen out - so maybe it is just sour grapes on our part with the team. But, I will say we just had our team banquet and there was a ton of unrest. The recommendations for groups had just come out and there were obvious favoritism in where booster kids were put or kept that are not in line with what the groups should be - adding that the boosters quashed an event that the coaches wanted to do for the kids that would have been a good team building event (for all kids, not just theirs).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Although he might be gone why is AAC not safe sport certified anymore? Thinking of switching to AAC but notice through this they are not safe sport certified like many other clubs. Is this due to this? Or their inability to do it?

Also, have would love to know more about boosters. No information anywhere about who they are and how to contact them. Seems ran by coaches with no oversight? Does county have any oversight?

I am not sure why AAC is not safesport certified anymore, it might have something to do with Black. Not really sure. They used to have all the Booster information very public but after the Black thing they seemed to have become a weird shadow organization at AAC. There is nothing public and they send nothing to the club members either.

The Boosters at AAC is a problem and there is definitely more tension with the competition groups at AAC and the Boosters. AAC is run by the County (1st), then the coaches. But, in practice, the Boosters has morphed from a group that is supposed to help and assist the coaches to a group that thinks they are in charge.

The County does not understand how to run a swim team/club. So because of the County, AAC does not host many meets even though they have a nice facility even if a slow pool. They make hiring coaches difficult and they have treated the head coach poorly. The County also just doesn't understand how to run a swim program or a club, they should probably look at other clubs to see how it is done and emulate.

As for the boosters, they are probably the bigger issue to holding the club back. They do not hold open meetings, publish minutes, list their leadership or hold elections. They are a group of friends that over lawyer every decision hiding behind fake liability so that they do not have to act on anything. They do not support the coaches but do a great job of roadblocking them. They have allowed the team's insurance to lapse so there is no more team travel (when there was team travel it was only the competition group that their children were in that were allowed to go) so the only travel is family. They have an extremely limited charter but have somehow expanded themselves to think that they are a governing body. So when the coaches want to do something, they say no, when they should be figuring out how to make it happen.

The bigger hiccup with them is that they gatekeep messages to the coaches. Over the years I have known at least a dozen amazing families wanted to get involved and help to improve the club, etc. They have asked to chaperone travel meets, plan events/socials, help organize, help with merchandise, and want to be on the boosters and they have been blocked from doing so. The boosters then messages to the coaches that they just cannot get people to help.

The boosters do not fundraise like traditional boosters do for organizations. There is a mandatory fee that each swimmer pays that is a few hundred dollars. This budget is quite a bit and they pay for the banquet with it. The rest of the money makes everyone wonder. They do not pay for team travel, they do not host events, they do buy t-shirts for certain meets but this is for a very small number of top swimmers. So basically the money taken in is to benefit the elite swimmers off the backs of the general membership.

The Boosters has also become a way for those parents on it to get their kids in the better competition groups that their times and abilities do not support. This is well known in the club and kind of sad for those swimmers. Literally you will hear the kids say so and so should not be in this group but is in it because mom or dad is on the boosters.

We have been with the club a while and have one swimmer left. We would have left, but our swimmer likes their friends. Are there better clubs? Yes. AAC used to be pretty good. it actually is very disheartening. My husband tried for years to help and get involved and we were frozen out - so maybe it is just sour grapes on our part with the team. But, I will say we just had our team banquet and there was a ton of unrest. The recommendations for groups had just come out and there were obvious favoritism in where booster kids were put or kept that are not in line with what the groups should be - adding that the boosters quashed an event that the coaches wanted to do for the kids that would have been a good team building event (for all kids, not just theirs).

Boosters are supposed to fund raise and support - literally what boosters means. They boost the team. The coaches should be like I need this and the boosters should see if it is a covered expense and make it happen. They should have zero say beyond that. Give money or not give money.

Why would the Boosters be responsible for insurance? That should be the County. Sounds like a county fail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Although he might be gone why is AAC not safe sport certified anymore? Thinking of switching to AAC but notice through this they are not safe sport certified like many other clubs. Is this due to this? Or their inability to do it?

Also, have would love to know more about boosters. No information anywhere about who they are and how to contact them. Seems ran by coaches with no oversight? Does county have any oversight?

Coaches run clubs, that is the normal with any club in our area. AAC is an anomaly because the County actually runs AAC and the coaches are all county employees. I don't think the County understands Safesport, swim groups, coaching, running meets, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Although he might be gone why is AAC not safe sport certified anymore? Thinking of switching to AAC but notice through this they are not safe sport certified like many other clubs. Is this due to this? Or their inability to do it?

Also, have would love to know more about boosters. No information anywhere about who they are and how to contact them. Seems ran by coaches with no oversight? Does county have any oversight?

I am not sure why AAC is not safesport certified anymore, it might have something to do with Black. Not really sure. They used to have all the Booster information very public but after the Black thing they seemed to have become a weird shadow organization at AAC. There is nothing public and they send nothing to the club members either.

The Boosters at AAC is a problem and there is definitely more tension with the competition groups at AAC and the Boosters. AAC is run by the County (1st), then the coaches. But, in practice, the Boosters has morphed from a group that is supposed to help and assist the coaches to a group that thinks they are in charge.

The County does not understand how to run a swim team/club. So because of the County, AAC does not host many meets even though they have a nice facility even if a slow pool. They make hiring coaches difficult and they have treated the head coach poorly. The County also just doesn't understand how to run a swim program or a club, they should probably look at other clubs to see how it is done and emulate.

As for the boosters, they are probably the bigger issue to holding the club back. They do not hold open meetings, publish minutes, list their leadership or hold elections. They are a group of friends that over lawyer every decision hiding behind fake liability so that they do not have to act on anything. They do not support the coaches but do a great job of roadblocking them. They have allowed the team's insurance to lapse so there is no more team travel (when there was team travel it was only the competition group that their children were in that were allowed to go) so the only travel is family. They have an extremely limited charter but have somehow expanded themselves to think that they are a governing body. So when the coaches want to do something, they say no, when they should be figuring out how to make it happen.

The bigger hiccup with them is that they gatekeep messages to the coaches. Over the years I have known at least a dozen amazing families wanted to get involved and help to improve the club, etc. They have asked to chaperone travel meets, plan events/socials, help organize, help with merchandise, and want to be on the boosters and they have been blocked from doing so. The boosters then messages to the coaches that they just cannot get people to help.

The boosters do not fundraise like traditional boosters do for organizations. There is a mandatory fee that each swimmer pays that is a few hundred dollars. This budget is quite a bit and they pay for the banquet with it. The rest of the money makes everyone wonder. They do not pay for team travel, they do not host events, they do buy t-shirts for certain meets but this is for a very small number of top swimmers. So basically the money taken in is to benefit the elite swimmers off the backs of the general membership.

The Boosters has also become a way for those parents on it to get their kids in the better competition groups that their times and abilities do not support. This is well known in the club and kind of sad for those swimmers. Literally you will hear the kids say so and so should not be in this group but is in it because mom or dad is on the boosters.

We have been with the club a while and have one swimmer left. We would have left, but our swimmer likes their friends. Are there better clubs? Yes. AAC used to be pretty good. it actually is very disheartening. My husband tried for years to help and get involved and we were frozen out - so maybe it is just sour grapes on our part with the team. But, I will say we just had our team banquet and there was a ton of unrest. The recommendations for groups had just come out and there were obvious favoritism in where booster kids were put or kept that are not in line with what the groups should be - adding that the boosters quashed an event that the coaches wanted to do for the kids that would have been a good team building event (for all kids, not just theirs).

Boosters are supposed to fund raise and support - literally what boosters means. They boost the team. The coaches should be like I need this and the boosters should see if it is a covered expense and make it happen. They should have zero say beyond that. Give money or not give money.

Why would the Boosters be responsible for insurance? That should be the County. Sounds like a county fail.

This. Why would the County do that. Also, insurance is not difficult to get - unless you just are lazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Although he might be gone why is AAC not safe sport certified anymore? Thinking of switching to AAC but notice through this they are not safe sport certified like many other clubs. Is this due to this? Or their inability to do it?

Also, have would love to know more about boosters. No information anywhere about who they are and how to contact them. Seems ran by coaches with no oversight? Does county have any oversight?

PP, I wish you had started a separate thread on this. Not sure if any current AAC members know or have the answer as to why they are no longer accredited.

[Anonymous]

Boosters drama set aside, outside of Huske, the program has just cherry picked senior swimmers from other clubs to swim under E. Stiles for the past several years. The younger program has never looked that impressive at PVS Champs. There are better options in my opinion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boosters drama set aside, outside of Huske, the program has just cherry picked senior swimmers from other clubs to swim under E. Stiles for the past several years. The younger program has never looked that impressive at PVS Champs. There are better options in my opinion

They are not known for the younger program.