MOCO BOE update: Beidleman Report summary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You know what? I do think his life should be ruined. He effed around and he's finding out. Stop acting like you can act like a dime store Harvey Weinstein just because you're an MCPS principal. He's not that special.

and you’re the reason why MCPS doesn’t make decisions based off of disgruntled evil vindictive people. MCPS leaders know about the group of people who get satisfaction off of administrators losing their jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know what? I do think his life should be ruined. He effed around and he's finding out. Stop acting like you can act like a dime store Harvey Weinstein just because you're an MCPS principal. He's not that special.

and you’re the reason why MCPS doesn’t make decisions based off of disgruntled evil vindictive people. MCPS leaders know about the group of people who get satisfaction off of administrators losing their jobs.

You're right. They don't make decisions based off of disgruntled, evil, vindictive people OUTSIDE of MCPS. They prioritize enabling and protecting the disgruntled, evil, vindictive people who are already INSIDE of the MCPS system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS Releases “A Framework for Change”
https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/10/17/mcps-releases-a-framework-for-change/

Okay, some of these are pretty good assuming MCPS actually follows through. That's a big assumption, however, given that several of the "action points" listed were already meant to be MCPS policy, but were systematically not enforced. Specifically, there was already a process for receiving anonymous reports via SafeSchools and LightHouse, but MCPS had a policy of not reviewing those.

I would really love for the IG report to look at whether Dr. McKnight was aware of that policy.

When you ask MCPS to police itself, naturally it will cover up bad things.

There should be an outside, independent agency to investigate and handle complaints about MCPS. For example, the IG's authorities may be expanded to handle sexual harassment complaints.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know what? I do think his life should be ruined. He effed around and he's finding out. Stop acting like you can act like a dime store Harvey Weinstein just because you're an MCPS principal. He's not that special.

and you’re the reason why MCPS doesn’t make decisions based off of disgruntled evil vindictive people. MCPS leaders know about the group of people who get satisfaction off of administrators losing their jobs.

You're right. They don't make decisions based off of disgruntled, evil, vindictive people OUTSIDE of MCPS. They prioritize enabling and protecting the disgruntled, evil, vindictive people who are already INSIDE of the MCPS system.

You are losing your smoke because you’re making no sense. Maybe take a break from the board for a bit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know what? I do think his life should be ruined. He effed around and he's finding out. Stop acting like you can act like a dime store Harvey Weinstein just because you're an MCPS principal. He's not that special.

and you’re the reason why MCPS doesn’t make decisions based off of disgruntled evil vindictive people. MCPS leaders know about the group of people who get satisfaction off of administrators losing their jobs.

You're right. They don't make decisions based off of disgruntled, evil, vindictive people OUTSIDE of MCPS. They prioritize enabling and protecting the disgruntled, evil, vindictive people who are already INSIDE of the MCPS system.

You are losing your smoke because you’re making no sense. Maybe take a break from the board for a bit.

You first.

[Anonymous]

Joel, you need to relax.

[Anonymous]

Wanting to see accountability for messed up behaviors that would have you fired in any other sector = Disgruntled evil vindictive person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know what? I do think his life should be ruined. He effed around and he's finding out. Stop acting like you can act like a dime store Harvey Weinstein just because you're an MCPS principal. He's not that special.

and you’re the reason why MCPS doesn’t make decisions based off of disgruntled evil vindictive people. MCPS leaders know about the group of people who get satisfaction off of administrators losing their jobs.

You're right. They don't make decisions based off of disgruntled, evil, vindictive people OUTSIDE of MCPS. They prioritize enabling and protecting the disgruntled, evil, vindictive people who are already INSIDE of the MCPS system.

You are losing your smoke because you’re making no sense. Maybe take a break from the board for a bit.

It's not like any of this is good but that poster is so obsessed and crazy over MCPS that they ceased to be objective 20 pages ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS Releases “A Framework for Change”
https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/10/17/mcps-releases-a-framework-for-change/

Okay, some of these are pretty good assuming MCPS actually follows through. That's a big assumption, however, given that several of the "action points" listed were already meant to be MCPS policy, but were systematically not enforced. Specifically, there was already a process for receiving anonymous reports via SafeSchools and LightHouse, but MCPS had a policy of not reviewing those.

I would really love for the IG report to look at whether Dr. McKnight was aware of that policy.

This will be enforced as much as the code of conduct is enforced. Frustrating.

+1 How many opportunities did MCPS have to enforce the Code of Conduct in the Biedleman case? 18+ for Biedleman himself. Additional opportunities for those who altered documents.

MCPS had Regulations and Policies that it ignored because they simply chose to. Do I believe MCPS will change? Not until the Board of Education and Superintendent change and people in charge start addressing employee misconduct with termination. Send a clear message such behavior will not be allowed.

This issue has been repeated over and over again with staff demonstrating child predatory behaviors including grooming activities. The lack of enforcement of the Code of Conduct with these types of individuals makes MCPS a magnet for child predators. Just Google John Vigna and the MCPS response over and over when he was caught with young girls on his lap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wanting to see accountability for messed up behaviors that would have you fired in any other sector = Disgruntled evil vindictive person.

All large companies/organizations in all sectors have policies surrounding hiring and firing. Until there has been an investigation, the accused provided an opportunity to refute charges, and some sort of conclusion reached per the policies, no action around “firing” the person can happen. Otherwise the company just sets themselves up for a lawsuit of wrongful firing. That would cost money at a minimum to fight, and possibly in payout.

Sorry this can’t happen as fast as some folks want, but take a step back and chill out for a bit.

Also, don’t be surprised to see people shifted to new positions first, rather than fired. Depending on how strong the case is, it may be easier for MCPS to put them in a position they don’t want, just to get them to leave on their own.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wanting to see accountability for messed up behaviors that would have you fired in any other sector = Disgruntled evil vindictive person.

All large companies/organizations in all sectors have policies surrounding hiring and firing. Until there has been an investigation, the accused provided an opportunity to refute charges, and some sort of conclusion reached per the policies, no action around “firing” the person can happen. Otherwise the company just sets themselves up for a lawsuit of wrongful firing. That would cost money at a minimum to fight, and possibly in payout.

Sorry this can’t happen as fast as some folks want, but take a step back and chill out for a bit.

Also, don’t be surprised to see people shifted to new positions first, rather than fired. Depending on how strong the case is, it may be easier for MCPS to put them in a position they don’t want, just to get them to leave on their own.

I can definitely see them leaving on their own with a bunch of ruthless entitled mcps parents and teachers always on their backs.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS changing its promotion process. Administrators under investigation can no longer be considered for a promotion.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/10/montgomery-co-schools-changes-promotion-process-after-former-principal-was-promoted-while-under-investigation/

Oh good, they will just wait until they close the "investigation" and promote them afterwards. What a huge improvement.

Umm that is an improvement. Means that would need to be checked as part of the process and would help ensure people who have potentially done some inappropriate are not be rewarded and given more authority.

??? Where does it say they can not be promoted after an investigation? You made a big assumption in your comment.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that anyone who is ACCUSED of wrongdoing should never be promoted even if the accusations and findings have cleared them?

Of course, that depends on how much you trust the investigative process, which clearly MCPS's is not to be trusted since there was direct manipulation and cover-ups in the Beidleman case, but assuming the investigative process was reliable and trustworthy, someone who was cleared of wrongdoing should not have a scarlet letter on them professionally. If they are found guilty, then yes. But if not, and assuming the investigative process is fair and credible, why should they banned from progressing professionally?

DP. I don't understand what you don't understand. Obviously, PP and many others do not trust the investigative process. Since the Biedleman issue came to light, MCPS has said very little about what they are doing about it. This change has been publicized to make people think they are doing something about it. What a lot of us think in reaction to it is this does absolutely nothing to keep students or staff safe. They need to fire abusive administrators The timing of their promotion is meaningless. They should not be employed by MCPS.

It seems like that is exactly what is happening though....Dr. Murphy is gone, two admins were placed on leave with more staff actions to come....so...what's the issue?

Was he fired or did he resign? Will the admins who are currently on leave, getting paid to do nothing, be fired? Or promoted? Has Dr. Biedleman been fired?

These are great questions....and if Beidleman and the admins don't get fired, then we protest. But putting someone on leave is usually the first step to that process. And that's why we have to remain vigilant and noisy and keep up with this story as it develops.

Which means when the IG concludes its investigation into Beidleman, parents and educators have to rally if the report finds him guilty of his transgressions and MCPS decides to retain him.

What will it do for the two people on this board if Beidleman is fired? Will you sleep better at night? Will you be able to pay your bills and go on that trip you’ve always been dreaming of? Is it not enough that the process of promotion has been brought to light and is being fixed? Are you so dirty low down and miserable that you want to see people lose their jobs? You sound weak, miserable and lonely.

I will pretend for a moment you are posting this in good faith and not a) trolling or b) Beidleman himself.

Why should he keep his job? What is the justification for him to continue to be a leader, supervisor, and role model for young people? You keep saying people are obsessing over getting him fired, but why should he stay? What positive characteristics does he bring to this school system?

Why should you stay at your job? Should he be made an example of out of the other multitude of leaders in mcps that have done wrong and way worse. You would like him to be the one that suffers while others have kept their jobs within MCPS? Shame on you. He did not commit a crime. Was he wrong? Yes
Should he face consequences for his actions? Yes
Should he lose his job when Munsey is still around or when Elizabeth Thomas and Diane Morris can keep their jobs? Should he be made an example of because you have a personal vendetta against this man? You have to be an evil troll to wish that these people lose their jobs and to feel as though you would sleep better at night.

No, just a taxpaying resident of Montgomery County who sends my kids to MCPS and doesn't want anyone who behaves like this within a mile of them or the schools they go to. Yes, he should lose his job. This is not controversial.

Your kids are fine. Take a valium! Welcome to the real world kids. No kids were harmed in any of these incidents we are speaking of in this forum.

Recommendation for dependency-forming drug use is right up Beidleman’s alley. A+, no notes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS Releases “A Framework for Change”
https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/10/17/mcps-releases-a-framework-for-change/

This is more jargoneering bullshit

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wanting to see accountability for messed up behaviors that would have you fired in any other sector = Disgruntled evil vindictive person.

All large companies/organizations in all sectors have policies surrounding hiring and firing. Until there has been an investigation, the accused provided an opportunity to refute charges, and some sort of conclusion reached per the policies, no action around “firing” the person can happen. Otherwise the company just sets themselves up for a lawsuit of wrongful firing. That would cost money at a minimum to fight, and possibly in payout.

Sorry this can’t happen as fast as some folks want, but take a step back and chill out for a bit.

Also, don’t be surprised to see people shifted to new positions first, rather than fired. Depending on how strong the case is, it may be easier for MCPS to put them in a position they don’t want, just to get them to leave on their own.

This is correct and incorrect. MCPS has difficulty firing people because everyone, including administrators, are unionized and the terms of termination are specified in the union contracts.

Most people in the private sector work at will. As a result, they can be fired at any moment for no reason. Perversely, if there is a reason given for termination of an at will employee, it must not violate the law and any stated employer policies or else the employer can be held liable for wrongful termination or civil rights violations. So most people are just called into their bosses office at 5 PM with an HR rep there, told the company is going in another direction, if you sign this document right now you’ll get a severance package, they will be happy to provide a recommendation letter, best of luck and that security will escort them to their desk to pack up their things and out of the building.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS Releases “A Framework for Change”
https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/10/17/mcps-releases-a-framework-for-change/

This is more jargoneering bullshit

Superintendent McKnight is incapable of change. It is the reason why she needs to go or else MCPS will never get right.