Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Baldino’s friend was helping out, he was strapped for cash and volunteered to take one for the team as no one else was auditioning for that role.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a difference between expressing an opinion and posting said opinion daily. Some of you make the same posts day after day after day. You are either on someone’s payroll, trolls or losers with nothing better to do with your time. Anyway, we all lose because you ruin this thread by literally posting the exact same thing every 12 hours or so. And you all somehow support Blake. It’s odd or maybe just indicative of who her base actually is.

Maybe people keep remarking about how there are a lot of misogynistic comments in this thread because some of the Baldoni supporters (maybe like you) keep posting misogynistic takedowns of Lively instead of just talking about the facts. We're allowed to notice that. You have posted the same "you are posting the same thing over and over" comment now at least 3x in this thread, so: Pot, Kettle.

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I posted this upthread but I think it got lost in discussion of the hearing. Since we're back on the topic of the birth scene, here is a description of how another movie handled a birth scene with simulated nudity with Andrew Garfield and Florence Pugh:

Before filming the actors rehearsed with a midwife consultant, Penny Taylor, who used a doll as she walked them through the blocking...

"An intimacy coordinator was also on set given that Pugh was naked except for a bra and a heavy prosthetic belly, which gave her knee and back pain almost “instantly.”

“I was mostly acting with Florence’s bum,” Garfield said, and was acutely aware he was in a position of trust. “So I really wanted to make sure that she felt safe and felt tended to and cared for.”

In between takes, Pugh said, they would rarely leave the set. “We would apply each other’s ‘scene sweat’ so no one from the makeup department had to enter our safe space,” she wrote."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/13/movies/andrew-garfield-florence-pugh-we-live-in-time.html

Sounds like Baldoni handled the birth scene on IEWU really differently. I wonder if he regrets not handling the scene differently. This is an example of how a director approached a different, but also pivotal birth scene in another movie, and it looks like a lot of effort was taken to ensure the comfort of the actors, that everyone knew what to expect in advance of the shoot, and that any problems that arose could be addressed by professional present on set. It also shows how shooting the scene was clearly an intimate experience for the actors involved and they took a lot of care with one another and that Garfield was especially respectful of the position Pugh was in and the fact that she was unclothed.

I have no idea what other birth scenes are like but there appears to be a big gap between what happened on IEWU and what is described in this article.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

Well you know what the difference between you and me then is? Even some of those women who I personally dislike I would never talk about the way people talk about Blake Lively here on this thread. Because I don't talk about ANY woman in a dehumanizing manner. Maybe I would be more open to people like yours' opinions if they weren't coated in disgust therefore signaling to me that there has been no attempt to look at the situation in an actual evenhanded way.

This situation with Lively and Baldoni for instance, we do not have actual testimony from unbiased third parties. We have a he said she said. I personally don't particularly like Blake Lively and never have (team Blair!). I don't hate her because I don't know her but to me she has always come off a bit plastic and disingenuous to me which I try to have a measured response to because I think all celebrities have to have a facade to an extent. The end result is that I just don't care much about her at all. She does not hold my interest.

So here we have, at this point, without corresponding third party testimony, a he said she said. And anyone who just goes to the mattresses to defend him in, at this point, a VERY speculative he said she said just seems to me to be eating up the red pills.

This. I don't like Blake Lively as an actress or a public person -- I have very little interest in her and agree she seems like a "mean girl" in the way she's treated people in the past.

But you can be an annoying or unpleasant person and still be sexually harassed. And the attacks on her here are incredibly misogynistic -- attacking her (alleged) sexual history, her looks, her age. Calling her stupid but at the same time alleging that she's a manipulative mastermind who took this role with the plan of suing for sexual harassment all along. Calling her crazy, diagnosing her with a personality disorder, etc.

It's so over the top. I think a lot of people just enjoy the opportunity to get their pitchforks out for a woman. Especially a woman who is beautiful and wealthy. For some reason it just feels good to people to unload all their anger at the world onto a woman like this.

Just watch the interview with the Norwegian journalist a few times. Does she strike you as a kind, trustworthy, amenable individual? Sure, a rotten person like her could have been SH, but she wasn’t.

PP here, I've seen that interview many times, and in fact posted extensively here when it was circulating last year about how awful Lively was in that scene.

But yes, she could still have been sexually harassed.

I've posted about this on here before, but I used to work in a role providing support to survivors of SA. Your thought pattern here is incredibly common. "This woman seems annoying and unlikeable, so I will disbelieve everything she says." It's a pervasive, toxic belief system. Most survivors of SA are not kind or amenable, because most people aren't. People are complex.

From what I've seen about Baldoni, he seems like an annoying and unlikeable person. Yet I also think it's still possible that he *didn't* sexually harass Lively, or that he's the victim of defamation here. Also possible. But it's interesting to me that there are tons of posts on here calling Lively names and saying she can't possibly be believed because she was rude to a reporter or has other unpleasant qualities. But the same is not said of Baldoni.

It's misogyny. There's no reason to even take a side in this case -- they haven't had discovery and it's possible to talk about the case while staying open minded and waiting to hear more facts. Yet so many of you are ready to indict her. You take pleasure in calling her stupid and ugly and criticizing everything she does. It's very transparently the same kind of misogynist pile on we've all seen a million times against a prominent woman.

+1000

DP. I agree too.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a difference between expressing an opinion and posting said opinion daily. Some of you make the same posts day after day after day. You are either on someone’s payroll, trolls or losers with nothing better to do with your time. Anyway, we all lose because you ruin this thread by literally posting the exact same thing every 12 hours or so. And you all somehow support Blake. It’s odd or maybe just indicative of who her base actually is.

Blake’s base consists of stunted millennial women who must be treated like glass snowflakes. They are very delicate, easily offended and feel that any slight disagreement or criticism is harassment. They enjoy posting their fake lives on SM.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

His last on air acting credit was on a procedural drama I've never even heard of in 2016.

Well, you've never heard of it. Case closed lol.

My point is that his last on air role was a small appearance on a middling network show 8 years ago. In that light, he DOES seem like a rando pulled from the street.

Where are the allegations of misconduct? There are none. Blake would never have scored a single acting job if not through family or friends. I fail to see how a director picking someone they happen to know and for which no alleged misconduct took place is an issue in the slightest unless you have a particular axe to grind.

FWIW I think Reynolds is the leader on all of this.

It's weird that if you had a friend who was an actor looking for work, you would choose the role with no lines and where he will be barely noticed in the scene, but which will require him to spend hours sitting between Blake Lively's legs while they are up in stirrups. That's just weird. It's an odd choice.

I don't think it's weird at all.

Well in that situation the only person who's opinion on whether or not its weird that MATTERS is the person who will be naked with said dude's head between her legs. And it sounds like her wishes were not honored based on the final cut.

Perhaps no one else wanted that job?

Misogyny alert! Misogyny alert! Why aren't you 'feminists' who claim to have reasoned perspectives calling out posts like this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I posted this upthread but I think it got lost in discussion of the hearing. Since we're back on the topic of the birth scene, here is a description of how another movie handled a birth scene with simulated nudity with Andrew Garfield and Florence Pugh:

Before filming the actors rehearsed with a midwife consultant, Penny Taylor, who used a doll as she walked them through the blocking...

"An intimacy coordinator was also on set given that Pugh was naked except for a bra and a heavy prosthetic belly, which gave her knee and back pain almost “instantly.”

“I was mostly acting with Florence’s bum,” Garfield said, and was acutely aware he was in a position of trust. “So I really wanted to make sure that she felt safe and felt tended to and cared for.”

In between takes, Pugh said, they would rarely leave the set. “We would apply each other’s ‘scene sweat’ so no one from the makeup department had to enter our safe space,” she wrote."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/13/movies/andrew-garfield-florence-pugh-we-live-in-time.html

Sounds like Baldoni handled the birth scene on IEWU really differently. I wonder if he regrets not handling the scene differently. This is an example of how a director approached a different, but also pivotal birth scene in another movie, and it looks like a lot of effort was taken to ensure the comfort of the actors, that everyone knew what to expect in advance of the shoot, and that any problems that arose could be addressed by professional present on set. It also shows how shooting the scene was clearly an intimate experience for the actors involved and they took a lot of care with one another and that Garfield was especially respectful of the position Pugh was in and the fact that she was unclothed.

I have no idea what other birth scenes are like but there appears to be a big gap between what happened on IEWU and what is described in this article.

Part of the gap, which you will ignore, is that there was a meeting with the intimacy coordinator that BL blew off.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a difference between expressing an opinion and posting said opinion daily. Some of you make the same posts day after day after day. You are either on someone’s payroll, trolls or losers with nothing better to do with your time. Anyway, we all lose because you ruin this thread by literally posting the exact same thing every 12 hours or so. And you all somehow support Blake. It’s odd or maybe just indicative of who her base actually is.

Maybe people keep remarking about how there are a lot of misogynistic comments in this thread because some of the Baldoni supporters (maybe like you) keep posting misogynistic takedowns of Lively instead of just talking about the facts. We're allowed to notice that. You have posted the same "you are posting the same thing over and over" comment now at least 3x in this thread, so: Pot, Kettle.

Which, TBH, shows me that YOU have been here posting the same stuff days in a row baldoni bot because I certainly haven't which is why I haven't accused you of doing it. But if you're owning up to it!

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Anonymous wrote:Baldino’s friend was helping out, he was strapped for cash and volunteered to take one for the team as no one else was auditioning for that role.

There are literally thousands of working actors who would happily take SAG scale for a day on the set of a major motion picture and a credited role. They wouldn't audition -- the casting director could get a stack of headshots and they'd cast him largely based on his appearance, since he has no lines and is barely featured.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a difference between expressing an opinion and posting said opinion daily. Some of you make the same posts day after day after day. You are either on someone’s payroll, trolls or losers with nothing better to do with your time. Anyway, we all lose because you ruin this thread by literally posting the exact same thing every 12 hours or so. And you all somehow support Blake. It’s odd or maybe just indicative of who her base actually is.

Blake’s base consists of stunted millennial women who must be treated like glass snowflakes. They are very delicate, easily offended and feel that any slight disagreement or criticism is harassment. They enjoy posting their fake lives on SM.

Sexism alert! Sexism alert!

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this upthread but I think it got lost in discussion of the hearing. Since we're back on the topic of the birth scene, here is a description of how another movie handled a birth scene with simulated nudity with Andrew Garfield and Florence Pugh:

Before filming the actors rehearsed with a midwife consultant, Penny Taylor, who used a doll as she walked them through the blocking...

"An intimacy coordinator was also on set given that Pugh was naked except for a bra and a heavy prosthetic belly, which gave her knee and back pain almost “instantly.”

“I was mostly acting with Florence’s bum,” Garfield said, and was acutely aware he was in a position of trust. “So I really wanted to make sure that she felt safe and felt tended to and cared for.”

In between takes, Pugh said, they would rarely leave the set. “We would apply each other’s ‘scene sweat’ so no one from the makeup department had to enter our safe space,” she wrote."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/13/movies/andrew-garfield-florence-pugh-we-live-in-time.html

Sounds like Baldoni handled the birth scene on IEWU really differently. I wonder if he regrets not handling the scene differently. This is an example of how a director approached a different, but also pivotal birth scene in another movie, and it looks like a lot of effort was taken to ensure the comfort of the actors, that everyone knew what to expect in advance of the shoot, and that any problems that arose could be addressed by professional present on set. It also shows how shooting the scene was clearly an intimate experience for the actors involved and they took a lot of care with one another and that Garfield was especially respectful of the position Pugh was in and the fact that she was unclothed.

I have no idea what other birth scenes are like but there appears to be a big gap between what happened on IEWU and what is described in this article.

Part of the gap, which you will ignore, is that there was a meeting with the intimacy coordinator that BL blew off.

Not to discuss the birth scene, was not scripted as a nude scene and that Lively had no reason to expect would be filmed the way it was (with a lot of shots of her from the waist down). There is no evidence the intimacy coordinator was consulted regarding the birth scene at all -- she was not on set the day it was filmed, and did not do choreography for it.

It seems to me that Baldoni didn't really understand that a scene in which an actress appears nude or partially nude and simulates the act of giving birth would be considered an "intimate" scene by the actress and by a lot of other people in the business. He didn't seem to get why asking Lively to be naked in the scene was a big deal, and didn't engage the IC to make sure any nudity was handled well.

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Honestly, who is getting off by being in the same space as a middle-aged mom's crotch during a birthing scene? Let's not pretend that's the stuff of fantasies. Signed a middle-aged non-misogynistic mom.

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I think it's going to be really interesting when the intimacy coordinator is deposed. It has to happen, right? I would love to hear her take on all of this.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a difference between expressing an opinion and posting said opinion daily. Some of you make the same posts day after day after day. You are either on someone’s payroll, trolls or losers with nothing better to do with your time. Anyway, we all lose because you ruin this thread by literally posting the exact same thing every 12 hours or so. And you all somehow support Blake. It’s odd or maybe just indicative of who her base actually is.

Blake’s base consists of stunted millennial women who must be treated like glass snowflakes. They are very delicate, easily offended and feel that any slight disagreement or criticism is harassment. They enjoy posting their fake lives on SM.

What weird thrill are you getting out of posts like this? You're complaining about us calling out misogyny in here and this is how you make the thread you love better, lol?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, who is getting off by being in the same space as a middle-aged mom's crotch during a birthing scene? Let's not pretend that's the stuff of fantasies. Signed a middle-aged non-misogynistic mom.

Sexual harassment isn't always about "getting off." And that's not her allegation anyway. Her allegation is that she was pressured to do the scene nude with no warning and at the same time Baldoni had cast a close friend to be the person sitting in close proximity to her crotch during that scene, which she found "invasive and humiliating."

You can sexually harass someone without even being attracted to them. In fact that happens a lot.