Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

I'm not the person you asked, but the only person on that list I "don't like" is Ariana Grande, and that's because she licked a bunch of donuts. But if I met her I might feel differently. And certainly I wouldn't use the donut-licking incident to say she couldn't be the victim of SH. I'm not even sure what you're going for with this list? You could certainly start a "hate" thread of any given celebrity and get takers. Because there are over 8 billion people on Earth.

You're not sure what I'm going for? Every one of those women have been torn to shreds by the media. Most of them have hundred+ page threads devoted to talking crap about them here on this forum. That is what I am going for. If you don't even understand what that list signifies then you don't understand my point and have not been paying attention. I could NOT name a list of men NEARLY as long that have threads like that devoting to tearing them apart. And here we are, just adding another woman to the list.

I'm a DP and I agree with you fwiw. There's a specific kind of aggression directed at women sometimes that gives me the Ick, and it's all over this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

His last on air acting credit was on a procedural drama I've never even heard of in 2016.

Well, you've never heard of it. Case closed lol.

My point is that his last on air role was a small appearance on a middling network show 8 years ago. In that light, he DOES seem like a rando pulled from the street.

Where are the allegations of misconduct? There are none. Blake would never have scored a single acting job if not through family or friends. I fail to see how a director picking someone they happen to know and for which no alleged misconduct took place is an issue in the slightest unless you have a particular axe to grind.

FWIW I think Reynolds is the leader on all of this.

It's weird that if you had a friend who was an actor looking for work, you would choose the role with no lines and where he will be barely noticed in the scene, but which will require him to spend hours sitting between Blake Lively's legs while they are up in stirrups. That's just weird. It's an odd choice.

I don't think it's weird at all.

Well in that situation the only person who's opinion on whether or not its weird that MATTERS is the person who will be naked with said dude's head between her legs. And it sounds like her wishes were not honored based on the final cut.

1. Wasn't naked
2. Said person (more likely, said person's husband) made the final cut.

You are ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

Well you know what the difference between you and me then is? Even some of those women who I personally dislike I would never talk about the way people talk about Blake Lively here on this thread. Because I don't talk about ANY woman in a dehumanizing manner. Maybe I would be more open to people like yours' opinions if they weren't coated in disgust therefore signaling to me that there has been no attempt to look at the situation in an actual evenhanded way.

This situation with Lively and Baldoni for instance, we do not have actual testimony from unbiased third parties. We have a he said she said. I personally don't particularly like Blake Lively and never have (team Blair!). I don't hate her because I don't know her but to me she has always come off a bit plastic and disingenuous to me which I try to have a measured response to because I think all celebrities have to have a facade to an extent. The end result is that I just don't care much about her at all. She does not hold my interest.

So here we have, at this point, without corresponding third party testimony, a he said she said. And anyone who just goes to the mattresses to defend him in, at this point, a VERY speculative he said she said just seems to me to be eating up the red pills.

This. I don't like Blake Lively as an actress or a public person -- I have very little interest in her and agree she seems like a "mean girl" in the way she's treated people in the past.

But you can be an annoying or unpleasant person and still be sexually harassed. And the attacks on her here are incredibly misogynistic -- attacking her (alleged) sexual history, her looks, her age. Calling her stupid but at the same time alleging that she's a manipulative mastermind who took this role with the plan of suing for sexual harassment all along. Calling her crazy, diagnosing her with a personality disorder, etc.

It's so over the top. I think a lot of people just enjoy the opportunity to get their pitchforks out for a woman. Especially a woman who is beautiful and wealthy. For some reason it just feels good to people to unload all their anger at the world onto a woman like this.

Just watch the interview with the Norwegian journalist a few times. Does she strike you as a kind, trustworthy, amenable individual? Sure, a rotten person like her could have been SH, but she wasn’t.

PP here, I've seen that interview many times, and in fact posted extensively here when it was circulating last year about how awful Lively was in that scene.

But yes, she could still have been sexually harassed.

I've posted about this on here before, but I used to work in a role providing support to survivors of SA. Your thought pattern here is incredibly common. "This woman seems annoying and unlikeable, so I will disbelieve everything she says." It's a pervasive, toxic belief system. Most survivors of SA are not kind or amenable, because most people aren't. People are complex.

From what I've seen about Baldoni, he seems like an annoying and unlikeable person. Yet I also think it's still possible that he *didn't* sexually harass Lively, or that he's the victim of defamation here. Also possible. But it's interesting to me that there are tons of posts on here calling Lively names and saying she can't possibly be believed because she was rude to a reporter or has other unpleasant qualities. But the same is not said of Baldoni.

It's misogyny. There's no reason to even take a side in this case -- they haven't had discovery and it's possible to talk about the case while staying open minded and waiting to hear more facts. Yet so many of you are ready to indict her. You take pleasure in calling her stupid and ugly and criticizing everything she does. It's very transparently the same kind of misogynist pile on we've all seen a million times against a prominent woman.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

His last on air acting credit was on a procedural drama I've never even heard of in 2016.

Well, you've never heard of it. Case closed lol.

My point is that his last on air role was a small appearance on a middling network show 8 years ago. In that light, he DOES seem like a rando pulled from the street.

Where are the allegations of misconduct? There are none. Blake would never have scored a single acting job if not through family or friends. I fail to see how a director picking someone they happen to know and for which no alleged misconduct took place is an issue in the slightest unless you have a particular axe to grind.

FWIW I think Reynolds is the leader on all of this.

It's weird that if you had a friend who was an actor looking for work, you would choose the role with no lines and where he will be barely noticed in the scene, but which will require him to spend hours sitting between Blake Lively's legs while they are up in stirrups. That's just weird. It's an odd choice.

I don't think it's weird at all.

Well in that situation the only person who's opinion on whether or not its weird that MATTERS is the person who will be naked with said dude's head between her legs. And it sounds like her wishes were not honored based on the final cut.

1. Wasn't naked
2. Said person (more likely, said person's husband) made the final cut.

You are ridiculous.

Ok Bianca Censori, she wasn't 'naked'. And the final cut isn't the issue, the issue is who was on set. The final cut deals with what was filmed, not how it was filmed.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

Well you know what the difference between you and me then is? Even some of those women who I personally dislike I would never talk about the way people talk about Blake Lively here on this thread. Because I don't talk about ANY woman in a dehumanizing manner. Maybe I would be more open to people like yours' opinions if they weren't coated in disgust therefore signaling to me that there has been no attempt to look at the situation in an actual evenhanded way.

This situation with Lively and Baldoni for instance, we do not have actual testimony from unbiased third parties. We have a he said she said. I personally don't particularly like Blake Lively and never have (team Blair!). I don't hate her because I don't know her but to me she has always come off a bit plastic and disingenuous to me which I try to have a measured response to because I think all celebrities have to have a facade to an extent. The end result is that I just don't care much about her at all. She does not hold my interest.

So here we have, at this point, without corresponding third party testimony, a he said she said. And anyone who just goes to the mattresses to defend him in, at this point, a VERY speculative he said she said just seems to me to be eating up the red pills.

This. I don't like Blake Lively as an actress or a public person -- I have very little interest in her and agree she seems like a "mean girl" in the way she's treated people in the past.

But you can be an annoying or unpleasant person and still be sexually harassed. And the attacks on her here are incredibly misogynistic -- attacking her (alleged) sexual history, her looks, her age. Calling her stupid but at the same time alleging that she's a manipulative mastermind who took this role with the plan of suing for sexual harassment all along. Calling her crazy, diagnosing her with a personality disorder, etc.

It's so over the top. I think a lot of people just enjoy the opportunity to get their pitchforks out for a woman. Especially a woman who is beautiful and wealthy. For some reason it just feels good to people to unload all their anger at the world onto a woman like this.

DP from PP above but I also agree with this. Sorry if the people in this thread who are posting this kind of ridiculousness disagree, but we have just as much of a right as you to express our opinions in this thread. That's how threads work.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

His last on air acting credit was on a procedural drama I've never even heard of in 2016.

Well, you've never heard of it. Case closed lol.

My point is that his last on air role was a small appearance on a middling network show 8 years ago. In that light, he DOES seem like a rando pulled from the street.

Where are the allegations of misconduct? There are none. Blake would never have scored a single acting job if not through family or friends. I fail to see how a director picking someone they happen to know and for which no alleged misconduct took place is an issue in the slightest unless you have a particular axe to grind.

FWIW I think Reynolds is the leader on all of this.

It's weird that if you had a friend who was an actor looking for work, you would choose the role with no lines and where he will be barely noticed in the scene, but which will require him to spend hours sitting between Blake Lively's legs while they are up in stirrups. That's just weird. It's an odd choice.

I don't think it's weird at all.

Well, someone needed to take one for the team. This guy needed some cash. Should they have placed a woman there instead?

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

Well you know what the difference between you and me then is? Even some of those women who I personally dislike I would never talk about the way people talk about Blake Lively here on this thread. Because I don't talk about ANY woman in a dehumanizing manner. Maybe I would be more open to people like yours' opinions if they weren't coated in disgust therefore signaling to me that there has been no attempt to look at the situation in an actual evenhanded way.

This situation with Lively and Baldoni for instance, we do not have actual testimony from unbiased third parties. We have a he said she said. I personally don't particularly like Blake Lively and never have (team Blair!). I don't hate her because I don't know her but to me she has always come off a bit plastic and disingenuous to me which I try to have a measured response to because I think all celebrities have to have a facade to an extent. The end result is that I just don't care much about her at all. She does not hold my interest.

So here we have, at this point, without corresponding third party testimony, a he said she said. And anyone who just goes to the mattresses to defend him in, at this point, a VERY speculative he said she said just seems to me to be eating up the red pills.

This. I don't like Blake Lively as an actress or a public person -- I have very little interest in her and agree she seems like a "mean girl" in the way she's treated people in the past.

But you can be an annoying or unpleasant person and still be sexually harassed. And the attacks on her here are incredibly misogynistic -- attacking her (alleged) sexual history, her looks, her age. Calling her stupid but at the same time alleging that she's a manipulative mastermind who took this role with the plan of suing for sexual harassment all along. Calling her crazy, diagnosing her with a personality disorder, etc.

It's so over the top. I think a lot of people just enjoy the opportunity to get their pitchforks out for a woman. Especially a woman who is beautiful and wealthy. For some reason it just feels good to people to unload all their anger at the world onto a woman like this.

Just watch the interview with the Norwegian journalist a few times. Does she strike you as a kind, trustworthy, amenable individual? Sure, a rotten person like her could have been SH, but she wasn’t.

PP here, I've seen that interview many times, and in fact posted extensively here when it was circulating last year about how awful Lively was in that scene.

But yes, she could still have been sexually harassed.

I've posted about this on here before, but I used to work in a role providing support to survivors of SA. Your thought pattern here is incredibly common. "This woman seems annoying and unlikeable, so I will disbelieve everything she says." It's a pervasive, toxic belief system. Most survivors of SA are not kind or amenable, because most people aren't. People are complex.

From what I've seen about Baldoni, he seems like an annoying and unlikeable person. Yet I also think it's still possible that he *didn't* sexually harass Lively, or that he's the victim of defamation here. Also possible. But it's interesting to me that there are tons of posts on here calling Lively names and saying she can't possibly be believed because she was rude to a reporter or has other unpleasant qualities. But the same is not said of Baldoni.

It's misogyny. There's no reason to even take a side in this case -- they haven't had discovery and it's possible to talk about the case while staying open minded and waiting to hear more facts. Yet so many of you are ready to indict her. You take pleasure in calling her stupid and ugly and criticizing everything she does. It's very transparently the same kind of misogynist pile on we've all seen a million times against a prominent woman.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

Well you know what the difference between you and me then is? Even some of those women who I personally dislike I would never talk about the way people talk about Blake Lively here on this thread. Because I don't talk about ANY woman in a dehumanizing manner. Maybe I would be more open to people like yours' opinions if they weren't coated in disgust therefore signaling to me that there has been no attempt to look at the situation in an actual evenhanded way.

This situation with Lively and Baldoni for instance, we do not have actual testimony from unbiased third parties. We have a he said she said. I personally don't particularly like Blake Lively and never have (team Blair!). I don't hate her because I don't know her but to me she has always come off a bit plastic and disingenuous to me which I try to have a measured response to because I think all celebrities have to have a facade to an extent. The end result is that I just don't care much about her at all. She does not hold my interest.

So here we have, at this point, without corresponding third party testimony, a he said she said. And anyone who just goes to the mattresses to defend him in, at this point, a VERY speculative he said she said just seems to me to be eating up the red pills.

This. I don't like Blake Lively as an actress or a public person -- I have very little interest in her and agree she seems like a "mean girl" in the way she's treated people in the past.

But you can be an annoying or unpleasant person and still be sexually harassed. And the attacks on her here are incredibly misogynistic -- attacking her (alleged) sexual history, her looks, her age. Calling her stupid but at the same time alleging that she's a manipulative mastermind who took this role with the plan of suing for sexual harassment all along. Calling her crazy, diagnosing her with a personality disorder, etc.

It's so over the top. I think a lot of people just enjoy the opportunity to get their pitchforks out for a woman. Especially a woman who is beautiful and wealthy. For some reason it just feels good to people to unload all their anger at the world onto a woman like this.

DP from PP above but I also agree with this. Sorry if the people in this thread who are posting this kind of ridiculousness disagree, but we have just as much of a right as you to express our opinions in this thread. That's how threads work.

Third DP here! The spicy one who is being meaner than these two!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

His last on air acting credit was on a procedural drama I've never even heard of in 2016.

Well, you've never heard of it. Case closed lol.

My point is that his last on air role was a small appearance on a middling network show 8 years ago. In that light, he DOES seem like a rando pulled from the street.

Where are the allegations of misconduct? There are none. Blake would never have scored a single acting job if not through family or friends. I fail to see how a director picking someone they happen to know and for which no alleged misconduct took place is an issue in the slightest unless you have a particular axe to grind.

FWIW I think Reynolds is the leader on all of this.

It's weird that if you had a friend who was an actor looking for work, you would choose the role with no lines and where he will be barely noticed in the scene, but which will require him to spend hours sitting between Blake Lively's legs while they are up in stirrups. That's just weird. It's an odd choice.

I don't think it's weird at all.

Well in that situation the only person who's opinion on whether or not its weird that MATTERS is the person who will be naked with said dude's head between her legs. And it sounds like her wishes were not honored based on the final cut.

1. Wasn't naked
2. Said person (more likely, said person's husband) made the final cut.

You are ridiculous.

Ok Bianca Censori, she wasn't 'naked'. And the final cut isn't the issue, the issue is who was on set. The final cut deals with what was filmed, not how it was filmed.

If she had an issue with who was on set she needs to ammend her complaint to detail why it was problematic this person was chosen for the role beyond, "they know each other."

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

His last on air acting credit was on a procedural drama I've never even heard of in 2016.

Well, you've never heard of it. Case closed lol.

My point is that his last on air role was a small appearance on a middling network show 8 years ago. In that light, he DOES seem like a rando pulled from the street.

Where are the allegations of misconduct? There are none. Blake would never have scored a single acting job if not through family or friends. I fail to see how a director picking someone they happen to know and for which no alleged misconduct took place is an issue in the slightest unless you have a particular axe to grind.

FWIW I think Reynolds is the leader on all of this.

It's weird that if you had a friend who was an actor looking for work, you would choose the role with no lines and where he will be barely noticed in the scene, but which will require him to spend hours sitting between Blake Lively's legs while they are up in stirrups. That's just weird. It's an odd choice.

I don't think it's weird at all.

Well in that situation the only person who's opinion on whether or not its weird that MATTERS is the person who will be naked with said dude's head between her legs. And it sounds like her wishes were not honored based on the final cut.

1. Wasn't naked
2. Said person (more likely, said person's husband) made the final cut.

You are ridiculous.

Ok Bianca Censori, she wasn't 'naked'. And the final cut isn't the issue, the issue is who was on set. The final cut deals with what was filmed, not how it was filmed.

If she had an issue with who was on set she needs to ammend her complaint to detail why it was problematic this person was chosen for the role beyond, "they know each other."

Seemed quite detailed about her issues to me

Baldoni is accused of coercing Lively into an unplanned nude scene and allowing his best friend to play the doctor during the movie’s birth scene
Lively’s character gives birth in the film. On the day of shooting, both Baldoni and Heath are accused of having “suddenly pressured Ms. Lively to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of nudity for this scene in the script, her contract, or in previous creative discussions.” Baldoni told Lively — a mother of four — women “give birth naked” and that his own wife “ripped her clothes off during labor.” He also said “it was ‘not normal’ for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth.” Lively disagreed, but ultimately said she would be naked from below her chest.

The day the birth scene was filmed was allegedly “chaotic, crowded and utterly lacking in standard industry protections for filming nude scenes — such as choreographing the scene with an intimacy coordinator, having a signed nudity rider, or simply turning off the monitors so the scene was not broadcast to all crew on set (and on their personal phones and iPad).”

Baldoni and Heath allegedly did not close the set, which meant nonessential members of the crew were allowed to pass through freely while “Ms. Lively was mostly nude with her legs spread wide in stirrups and only a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia.”

That group also allegedly included Wayfarer co-chairman Mr. Sarowitz, who flew in for one of his few set visits. “Ms. Lively was not provided with anything to cover herself with between takes until after she had made multiple requests,” the complaint reads. “Ms. Lively became even more alarmed when Mr. Baldoni introduced his ‘best friend’ to play the role of the OBGYN when ordinarily, a small role of this nature would be filled by a local actor. Ms. Lively felt that the selection of Mr. Baldoni’s friend for this intimate role, in which the actor’s face and hands were in close proximity to her nearly nude genitalia for a birth scene, was invasive and humiliating.”[i]

Jamey Heath allegedly showed Blake Lively a graphic video of his wife giving birth
At some point, Heath is accused of having “approached Ms. Lively and her assistant on set” and showing them a video “of a fully nude woman with her legs spread apart.” Lively thought he was showing her pornography and told him to stop. He then explained the video was of his wife giving birth. After Lively asked if his wife knew he was sharing the video, he reportedly said, “She isn’t weird about this stuff.”

Heath is accused of insisting on facing Lively while she was topless
Lively claims she attempted to have a meeting with Heath and other producers on the film about Baldoni’s behavior, but Heath showed up unannounced at her hair and makeup trailer while she was “topless and having body makeup removed by makeup artists.”

After Lively asked if she could meet when she was wearing her clothes, Heath “insisted that if she didn’t allow him into her trailer to speak to him at that moment, then there would be no meeting with the other producers.” She agreed, but asked Heath to face away from her.

“A few minutes into the conversation, Ms. Lively noticed that Mr. Heath was staring directly at her while she was topless,” the documents claim. “When she called him out, Mr. Heath brushed it off as a habit of wanting to look at a person while speaking to them. Ms. Lively and her hair and makeup artists were all deeply disturbed by this interaction on just the second day of filming.”

Baldoni and Heath are accused of openly discussing their p*rn consumption
The complaint also accuses Baldoni and Heath of speaking about “their previous p*rnography addiction.” Baldoni “would often reference p*rnography to Ms. Lively. Hoping to shut the subject down, she said to him privately that she had never seen it.” Baldoni again allegedly referenced “his experiences with p*rnography, he revealed in front of other cast and crew that Ms. Lively had never ‘seen p*rn,’” a moment Lively cites as “an incredible invasion of her privacy.”

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

Well you know what the difference between you and me then is? Even some of those women who I personally dislike I would never talk about the way people talk about Blake Lively here on this thread. Because I don't talk about ANY woman in a dehumanizing manner. Maybe I would be more open to people like yours' opinions if they weren't coated in disgust therefore signaling to me that there has been no attempt to look at the situation in an actual evenhanded way.

This situation with Lively and Baldoni for instance, we do not have actual testimony from unbiased third parties. We have a he said she said. I personally don't particularly like Blake Lively and never have (team Blair!). I don't hate her because I don't know her but to me she has always come off a bit plastic and disingenuous to me which I try to have a measured response to because I think all celebrities have to have a facade to an extent. The end result is that I just don't care much about her at all. She does not hold my interest.

So here we have, at this point, without corresponding third party testimony, a he said she said. And anyone who just goes to the mattresses to defend him in, at this point, a VERY speculative he said she said just seems to me to be eating up the red pills.

This. I don't like Blake Lively as an actress or a public person -- I have very little interest in her and agree she seems like a "mean girl" in the way she's treated people in the past.

But you can be an annoying or unpleasant person and still be sexually harassed. And the attacks on her here are incredibly misogynistic -- attacking her (alleged) sexual history, her looks, her age. Calling her stupid but at the same time alleging that she's a manipulative mastermind who took this role with the plan of suing for sexual harassment all along. Calling her crazy, diagnosing her with a personality disorder, etc.

It's so over the top. I think a lot of people just enjoy the opportunity to get their pitchforks out for a woman. Especially a woman who is beautiful and wealthy. For some reason it just feels good to people to unload all their anger at the world onto a woman like this.

Just watch the interview with the Norwegian journalist a few times. Does she strike you as a kind, trustworthy, amenable individual? Sure, a rotten person like her could have been SH, but she wasn’t.

PP here, I've seen that interview many times, and in fact posted extensively here when it was circulating last year about how awful Lively was in that scene.

But yes, she could still have been sexually harassed.

I've posted about this on here before, but I used to work in a role providing support to survivors of SA. Your thought pattern here is incredibly common. "This woman seems annoying and unlikeable, so I will disbelieve everything she says." It's a pervasive, toxic belief system. Most survivors of SA are not kind or amenable, because most people aren't. People are complex.

From what I've seen about Baldoni, he seems like an annoying and unlikeable person. Yet I also think it's still possible that he *didn't* sexually harass Lively, or that he's the victim of defamation here. Also possible. But it's interesting to me that there are tons of posts on here calling Lively names and saying she can't possibly be believed because she was rude to a reporter or has other unpleasant qualities. But the same is not said of Baldoni.

It's misogyny. There's no reason to even take a side in this case -- they haven't had discovery and it's possible to talk about the case while staying open minded and waiting to hear more facts. Yet so many of you are ready to indict her. You take pleasure in calling her stupid and ugly and criticizing everything she does. It's very transparently the same kind of misogynist pile on we've all seen a million times against a prominent woman.

I am on no side, I am simply basing my opinion on the evidence provided. I am not familiar with Baldoni enough to come to a definitive opinion. He is not well known. Blake, on the other hand, is quite popular and I don’t like how she carries herself. She doesn’t strike me as a genuine person. She could have been SH, but again, based on the evidence out there, she is not a victim.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the issue with the actor playing the obgyn. There's no allegation he behaved inappropriately, is there? And he's not some random Joe Schmoe off the street but rather a seasoned professional actor? Who cares if he and Justin Baldoni knew each other? He's an actor. SOMEBODY was going to be down there acting out the birth scene.

Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

His last on air acting credit was on a procedural drama I've never even heard of in 2016.

Well, you've never heard of it. Case closed lol.

My point is that his last on air role was a small appearance on a middling network show 8 years ago. In that light, he DOES seem like a rando pulled from the street.

Where are the allegations of misconduct? There are none. Blake would never have scored a single acting job if not through family or friends. I fail to see how a director picking someone they happen to know and for which no alleged misconduct took place is an issue in the slightest unless you have a particular axe to grind.

FWIW I think Reynolds is the leader on all of this.

It's weird that if you had a friend who was an actor looking for work, you would choose the role with no lines and where he will be barely noticed in the scene, but which will require him to spend hours sitting between Blake Lively's legs while they are up in stirrups. That's just weird. It's an odd choice.

I don't think it's weird at all.

Well in that situation the only person who's opinion on whether or not its weird that MATTERS is the person who will be naked with said dude's head between her legs. And it sounds like her wishes were not honored based on the final cut.

1. Wasn't naked
2. Said person (more likely, said person's husband) made the final cut.

You are ridiculous.

Ok Bianca Censori, she wasn't 'naked'. And the final cut isn't the issue, the issue is who was on set. The final cut deals with what was filmed, not how it was filmed.

If she had an issue with who was on set she needs to ammend her complaint to detail why it was problematic this person was chosen for the role beyond, "they know each other."

From her complaint:

"Ms. Lively became even more alarmed when Mr. Baldoni introduced his “best friend” to play the role of the OBGYN, when ordinarily, a small role of this nature would be filled by a local actor. Ms. Lively felt that the selection of Mr. Baldoni’s friend for this intimate role, in which the actor’s face and hands were in close proximity to her nearly nude genitalia for a birth scene, was invasive and humiliating."

This is after detailing how they sprang the proposed nudity on her the day of the shoot, there was no advanced choreography rehearsed for the scene, no intimacy coordinator on set, and non-essential people were on the set and had access to footage of the shoot despite Lively repeatedly expressing concern about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post. Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan. I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though.

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego.

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake.

Well you know what the difference between you and me then is? Even some of those women who I personally dislike I would never talk about the way people talk about Blake Lively here on this thread. Because I don't talk about ANY woman in a dehumanizing manner. Maybe I would be more open to people like yours' opinions if they weren't coated in disgust therefore signaling to me that there has been no attempt to look at the situation in an actual evenhanded way.

This situation with Lively and Baldoni for instance, we do not have actual testimony from unbiased third parties. We have a he said she said. I personally don't particularly like Blake Lively and never have (team Blair!). I don't hate her because I don't know her but to me she has always come off a bit plastic and disingenuous to me which I try to have a measured response to because I think all celebrities have to have a facade to an extent. The end result is that I just don't care much about her at all. She does not hold my interest.

So here we have, at this point, without corresponding third party testimony, a he said she said. And anyone who just goes to the mattresses to defend him in, at this point, a VERY speculative he said she said just seems to me to be eating up the red pills.

This. I don't like Blake Lively as an actress or a public person -- I have very little interest in her and agree she seems like a "mean girl" in the way she's treated people in the past.

But you can be an annoying or unpleasant person and still be sexually harassed. And the attacks on her here are incredibly misogynistic -- attacking her (alleged) sexual history, her looks, her age. Calling her stupid but at the same time alleging that she's a manipulative mastermind who took this role with the plan of suing for sexual harassment all along. Calling her crazy, diagnosing her with a personality disorder, etc.

It's so over the top. I think a lot of people just enjoy the opportunity to get their pitchforks out for a woman. Especially a woman who is beautiful and wealthy. For some reason it just feels good to people to unload all their anger at the world onto a woman like this.

DP from PP above but I also agree with this. Sorry if the people in this thread who are posting this kind of ridiculousness disagree, but we have just as much of a right as you to express our opinions in this thread. That's how threads work.

Third DP here! The spicy one who is being meaner than these two!

Pretty sure that now that we have three people we qualify for some sort of discount.

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Being told that someone is bringing in their friend to film with you while half nude with a day's notice is something that would bother me. Somebody was going to be down there, but professionalism means distance, and the friend of the guy you are feeling harassed by doesn't infer distance.

He's a professional actor, stop acting like this is some rando pulled from the street.

His last on air acting credit was on a procedural drama I've never even heard of in 2016.

Well, you've never heard of it. Case closed lol.

My point is that his last on air role was a small appearance on a middling network show 8 years ago. In that light, he DOES seem like a rando pulled from the street.

Where are the allegations of misconduct? There are none. Blake would never have scored a single acting job if not through family or friends. I fail to see how a director picking someone they happen to know and for which no alleged misconduct took place is an issue in the slightest unless you have a particular axe to grind.

FWIW I think Reynolds is the leader on all of this.

It's weird that if you had a friend who was an actor looking for work, you would choose the role with no lines and where he will be barely noticed in the scene, but which will require him to spend hours sitting between Blake Lively's legs while they are up in stirrups. That's just weird. It's an odd choice.

I don't think it's weird at all.

Well in that situation the only person who's opinion on whether or not its weird that MATTERS is the person who will be naked with said dude's head between her legs. And it sounds like her wishes were not honored based on the final cut.

Perhaps no one else wanted that job?

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There is a difference between expressing an opinion and posting said opinion daily. Some of you make the same posts day after day after day. You are either on someone’s payroll, trolls or losers with nothing better to do with your time. Anyway, we all lose because you ruin this thread by literally posting the exact same thing every 12 hours or so. And you all somehow support Blake. It’s odd or maybe just indicative of who her base actually is.