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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Let’s just ignore the daily but he didn’t prove no sh post.  Obviously this particular poster will never be convinced so don’t bother wasting your time responding.  [/quote]

It's not just one poster! You guys are so crazy hahaha. I am the 'i posted on page 14 that this was going to turn into a hundred page sh*tshow trashing the woman with no hint of evenhandedness.'

Never said I was a lawyer. Am not a lawyer. Not even a Blake Lively fan.[b] I AM a feminist who is sick of seeing women torn apart in the news to protect the feelings of a wittle white man though. [/quote][/b]

Ooh, do not go there. I am a feminist and I am entirely convinced 1) Miss Plantation is absolutely not and 2) she's doing terrible harm to the battles over issues like sexual harassment that have been fought and won by throwing out trash allegations based on her warped perception of reality and overinflated ego. [/quote]

Ok sure <insert jlaw gif>

Now tell me how you feel about Amber Heard, Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears (how you felt circa 2008 lets say), Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera (also aughts on her), Taylor Swift, Hilaria Baldwin, Megan Markle, Janet Jackson, Ellen, Rosie O'Donnell, Hailey Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande and Beyonce. Oh or how about Jen Hatmaker or Danni Starr for more hyper local examples.

Do you have nuanced opinions on all those women? I have different opinions on all of them based on the individual circumstances that surrounded their unique situations. Do you? Or do you kind of hate all/most of them? I thought so.[/quote]

You're completely off and I do have different opinions on all of them, mostly ok so your thoughts are dead wrong. Several I would defend vociferously like you do Blake. [/quote]

Well you know what the difference between you and me then is? Even some of those women who I personally dislike I would never talk about the way people talk about Blake Lively here on this thread. Because I don't talk about ANY woman in a dehumanizing manner. Maybe I would be more open to people like yours' opinions if they weren't coated in disgust therefore signaling to me that there has been no attempt to look at the situation in an actual evenhanded way.

This situation with Lively and Baldoni for instance, we do not have actual testimony from unbiased third parties. We have a he said she said. I personally don't particularly like Blake Lively and never have (team Blair!). I don't hate her because I don't know her but to me she has always come off a bit plastic and disingenuous to me which I try to have a measured response to because I think all celebrities have to have a facade to an extent. The end result is that I just don't care much about her at all. She does not hold my interest.

So here we have, at this point, without corresponding third party testimony, a he said she said. And anyone who just goes to the mattresses to defend him in, at this point, a VERY speculative he said she said just seems to me to be eating up the red pills.[/quote]

This. I don't like Blake Lively as an actress or a public person -- I have very little interest in her and agree she seems like a "mean girl" in the way she's treated people in the past.

But you can be an annoying or unpleasant person and still be sexually harassed. And the attacks on her here are incredibly misogynistic -- attacking her (alleged) sexual history, her looks, her age. Calling her stupid but at the same time alleging that she's a manipulative mastermind who took this role with the plan of suing for sexual harassment all along. Calling her crazy, diagnosing her with a personality disorder, etc.

It's so over the top. I think a lot of people just enjoy the opportunity to get their pitchforks out for a woman. Especially a woman who is beautiful and wealthy. For some reason it just feels good to people to unload all their anger at the world onto a woman like this. [/quote]
Just watch the interview with the Norwegian journalist a few times. Does she strike you as a kind, trustworthy, amenable individual? Sure, a rotten person like her could have been SH, but she wasn’t.[/quote]

PP here, I've seen that interview many times, and in fact posted extensively here when it was circulating last year about how awful Lively was in that scene.

But yes, she could still have been sexually harassed.

I've posted about this on here before, but I used to work in a role providing support to survivors of SA. Your thought pattern here is incredibly common. "This woman seems annoying and unlikeable, so I will disbelieve everything she says." It's a pervasive, toxic belief system. Most survivors of SA are not kind or amenable, because most people aren't. People are complex.

From what I've seen about Baldoni, he seems like an annoying and unlikeable person. Yet I also think it's still possible that he *didn't* sexually harass Lively, or that he's the victim of defamation here. Also possible. But it's interesting to me that there are tons of posts on here calling Lively names and saying she can't possibly be believed because she was rude to a reporter or has other unpleasant qualities. But the same is not said of Baldoni.

It's misogyny. There's no reason to even take a side in this case -- they haven't had discovery and it's possible to talk about the case while staying open minded and waiting to hear more facts. Yet so many of you are ready to indict her. You take pleasure in calling her stupid and ugly and criticizing everything she does. It's very transparently the same kind of misogynist pile on we've all seen a million times against a prominent woman.[/quote]

+1000[/quote]

DP. I agree too. [/quote]

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