Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss

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Anonymous wrote:Will this change affect high school teams at all?

Not at all.

Red-shirted kids will still have their day.

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Anonymous wrote:Will this change affect high school teams at all?

Not at all.

Red-shirted kids will still have their day.[/quote

This is great. I'm so excited. (Sorry June lady)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this change affect high school teams at all?

Not at all.

Red-shirted kids will still have their day.[/quote

This is great. I'm so excited. (Sorry June lady)

It's even better--because they will have been playing up year when they hit Fresmen year with the kids now on a team a year below.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is great. My son is June and I'm so excited

Weird.

Do you think his birthdate bestows spectacular ball skill? You know soccer is not size-dependent like Football and Basketball. Some of the best players in are league are the tiniest.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is great. My son is June and I'm so excited

Weird.

Do you think his birthdate bestows spectacular ball skill? You know soccer is not size-dependent like Football and Basketball. Some of the best players in are league are the tiniest.

Some of the best players of all time were short:

Pele 5'8"
Maradona 5'5"
Messi 5'6"

Shorter players have a lower center of gravity, making it much easier to dribble, make fakes and feints, and change direction.

Never underestimate the toughness of a short player. These players are usually tougher and more physical than taller players.

Raw size is just not the important except for the keeper.

I agree with this, but unfortunately there are lots of coaches who have not gotten the memo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is great. My son is June and I'm so excited

Weird.

Do you think his birthdate bestows spectacular ball skill? You know soccer is not size-dependent like Football and Basketball. Some of the best players in are league are the tiniest.

Some of the best players of all time were short:

Pele 5'8"
Maradona 5'5"
Messi 5'6"

Shorter players have a lower center of gravity, making it much easier to dribble, make fakes and feints, and change direction.

Never underestimate the toughness of a short player. These players are usually tougher and more physical than taller players.

Raw size is just not the important except for the keeper.

I agree with this, but unfortunately there are lots of coaches who have not gotten the memo.

American soccer, as a whole, has not gotten the memo.
Hence- our track record with the Men's National teams.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this change affect high school teams at all?

Not at all.

Red-shirted kids will still have their day.[/quote

This is great. I'm so excited. (Sorry June lady)

It's even better--because they will have been playing up year when they hit Fresmen year with the kids now on a team a year below.

It won't effect college recruiting either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this change affect high school teams at all?

Not at all.

Red-shirted kids will still have their day.[/quote

This is great. I'm so excited. (Sorry June lady)

It's even better--because they will have been playing up year when they hit Fresmen year with the kids now on a team a year below.

It won't effect college recruiting either.

It absolutely will affect college recruiting for Jan.through July kids because all the players for a particular recruiting year won't be on the same team, so college coaches will have to decide whether to see games of the older (Aug. to Dec.) players playing "up" with kids a grade above or see games with the younger kids in that recruiting year (Jan through July) who are playing "down" with some kids in the grade below. College coaches will sensibly think that if the Jan thru July kids wer good enough, they'd be playing up so won't spend any time looking at kids playing for teams in their actual birth year. So instead of benefitting, many Jan thru July kids will actually be harmed because they're forced to play against kids a year or more older in order to be seen by college coaches during the prime recruiting period for their particular class.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this change affect high school teams at all?

Not at all.

Red-shirted kids will still have their day.[/quote

This is great. I'm so excited. (Sorry June lady)

It's even better--because they will have been playing up year when they hit Fresmen year with the kids now on a team a year below.

It won't effect college recruiting either.

It absolutely will affect college recruiting for Jan.through July kids because all the players for a particular recruiting year won't be on the same team, so college coaches will have to decide whether to see games of the older (Aug. to Dec.) players playing "up" with kids a grade above or see games with the younger kids in that recruiting year (Jan through July) who are playing "down" with some kids in the grade below. College coaches will sensibly think that if the Jan thru July kids wer good enough, they'd be playing up so won't spend any time looking at kids playing for teams in their actual birth year. So instead of benefitting, many Jan thru July kids will actually be harmed because they're forced to play against kids a year or more older in order to be seen by college coaches during the prime recruiting period for their particular class.

This is not reality. The vast majority of kids I have known who went on to play in college attended that college's summer ID camp where the coaches get to see them play over several days, and where the players, according to my DD who has been to several of these ID camps, are grouped by HS graduation year not calendar year.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this change affect high school teams at all?

Not at all.

Red-shirted kids will still have their day.[/quote

This is great. I'm so excited. (Sorry June lady)

It's even better--because they will have been playing up year when they hit Fresmen year with the kids now on a team a year below.

It won't effect college recruiting either.

It absolutely will affect college recruiting for Jan.through July kids because all the players for a particular recruiting year won't be on the same team, so college coaches will have to decide whether to see games of the older (Aug. to Dec.) players playing "up" with kids a grade above or see games with the younger kids in that recruiting year (Jan through July) who are playing "down" with some kids in the grade below. College coaches will sensibly think that if the Jan thru July kids wer good enough, they'd be playing up so won't spend any time looking at kids playing for teams in their actual birth year. So instead of benefitting, many Jan thru July kids will actually be harmed because they're forced to play against kids a year or more older in order to be seen by college coaches during the prime recruiting period for their particular class.

This is not reality. The vast majority of kids I have known who went on to play in college attended that college's summer ID camp where the coaches get to see them play over several days, and where the players, according to my DD who has been to several of these ID camps, are grouped by HS graduation year not calendar year.

+100

Colleges even red-shirt themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this change affect high school teams at all?

Not at all.

Red-shirted kids will still have their day.[/quote

This is great. I'm so excited. (Sorry June lady)

It's even better--because they will have been playing up year when they hit Fresmen year with the kids now on a team a year below.

It won't effect college recruiting either.

It absolutely will affect college recruiting for Jan.through July kids because all the players for a particular recruiting year won't be on the same team, so college coaches will have to decide whether to see games of the older (Aug. to Dec.) players playing "up" with kids a grade above or see games with the younger kids in that recruiting year (Jan through July) who are playing "down" with some kids in the grade below. College coaches will sensibly think that if the Jan thru July kids wer good enough, they'd be playing up so won't spend any time looking at kids playing for teams in their actual birth year. So instead of benefitting, many Jan thru July kids will actually be harmed because they're forced to play against kids a year or more older in order to be seen by college coaches during the prime recruiting period for their particular class.

This is not reality. The vast majority of kids I have known who went on to play in college attended that college's summer ID camp where the coaches get to see them play over several days, and where the players, according to my DD who has been to several of these ID camps, are grouped by HS graduation year not calendar year.

+100

Colleges even red-shirt themselves.

Colleges go by graduation year. Ever hear of starting Freshman?

Players of many different years are on the field at any given time.

Even the National team has players of vastly different ages ---17-40 (women)...men 17-35.

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Yeah, my sense is that this may help the rare Jan-June men's national candidate who might get scouted by top European teams, maybe, but on the whole it won't help the Jan-June kids much, and might hurt them for college.

That having been I don't think it's going to have much impact overall at all except cause a bunch of organizational angst. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Don't care much.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, my sense is that this may help the rare Jan-June men's national candidate who might get scouted by top European teams, maybe, but on the whole it won't help the Jan-June kids much, and might hurt them for college.

That having been I don't think it's going to have much impact overall at all except cause a bunch of organizational angst. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Don't care much.

This is my thinking exactly.

It's for the 1 in 1,000,000 U.S. Kid that has potential for International play---but zero impact for any other player.

In the U.S.-- HS and colleges will still look at school year and college recruitment will be based on incoming classes. All-Met, All-Region, Gatoradexplayers in HS will not matter what month they are born--it will be based on their play during the season---red-shirted kids will still have an advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this change affect high school teams at all?

Not at all.

Red-shirted kids will still have their day.[/quote

This is great. I'm so excited. (Sorry June lady)

It's even better--because they will have been playing up year when they hit Fresmen year with the kids now on a team a year below.

It won't effect college recruiting either.

It absolutely will affect college recruiting for Jan.through July kids because all the players for a particular recruiting year won't be on the same team, so college coaches will have to decide whether to see games of the older (Aug. to Dec.) players playing "up" with kids a grade above or see games with the younger kids in that recruiting year (Jan through July) who are playing "down" with some kids in the grade below. College coaches will sensibly think that if the Jan thru July kids wer good enough, they'd be playing up so won't spend any time looking at kids playing for teams in their actual birth year. So instead of benefitting, many Jan thru July kids will actually be harmed because they're forced to play against kids a year or more older in order to be seen by college coaches during the prime recruiting period for their particular class.

This is not reality. The vast majority of kids I have known who went on to play in college attended that college's summer ID camp where the coaches get to see them play over several days, and where the players, according to my DD who has been to several of these ID camps, are grouped by HS graduation year not calendar year.

+100

Colleges even red-shirt themselves.

Large college ID camps may group players by graduation year and that's one important way to get the attention of a particular school and show you're interested in that school. But that involves the player doing the work of placing him/herself in front of the coach. Once a player has demonstrated s/he is interested in a school, the next step (or the first step for those players who can't make it to an ID camp) is getting the coach to come see you play in a competitive environment at tournaments, showcases, etc. and when it comes time for a coach to come evaluate a player on his own time, you can bet that the coach is much more likely to go to the games of the older age group for the recruiting year he's looking at. Their time is already limited and it's more difficult to split their time going between games of different age groups.

Regarding redshirting, that statement is untrue as applied to soccer. A player might not play during a given year, but colleges don't give those players an extra year on scholarship (which is what redshirting is).

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Anonymous wrote:This will probably benefit my DD who is a March birthday, but she and her rec coach are upset because more than half the team is going to have to be replaced with different players. These are girls that he has trained for 5 years now and are part of the once-cohesive team. Now he'll be with a whole different group of girls. Plus the other girls will have to move to a different coach on a new team, and will probably be split up between different coaches.

Why not just have the younger kids "play up" and keep the same team together?

If coach has been training the same girls for 5 years they are getting to the point where having a few U10's playing alongside U11's in the U11 age group is not going to condemn the team to the bottom of the league.

I had my rec team play up a year this past year just to make sure that we did lose some games (your kids will learn much more from losing 3-2 then they will from winning 5-0).

That is a good point, and it might happen. I'm sure the league and coaches are still talking about what to do to best benefit current teams and coaches. However, the league might not care about what is best for individual teams/players when they are organizing the overall league. They tend to put most of their focus on the travel groups, which absolutely will be reorganized to maximize their results. There will be no playing up in travel if the kids can't make the higher teams during try-outs. The rec coaches have considered splitting off from the league anyway now that they are in SFL, I think. It will be interesting to see what happens. I assume after a couple years everyone will be used to the new system.