Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

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Anonymous wrote:Not really seeing why they would appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

They can't help themselves. They love spending other people's money practicing racism.

HAK is representing FCPS pro bono, just like PLF is representing C4TJ pro bono.

BS.

Apparently Verrilli is taking this on pro bono. Not sure Hunton's invovlement at all at the appelate level. Should be interesting, and clearly raises the profile of this case even more.

Hunton Kurth is still on the appeals team (at least two attorneys) and taxpayers will be paying.
See article below for information about the attorneys that will be representing FCPS. Not all of them are working pro Bono!

https://wjla.com/news/local/fairfax-county-school-board-appeal-ruling-fcps-thomas-jefferson-high-school-for-science-and-technology-tj-admissions-policy-process-controversial-discrimination-asian-american-applicants-judge-claude-hilton-virginia

Who approves these budgets?

Our elected officials. The Fairfax Board of Supervisors approves the overall funding. The School Board decides how to spend it. As far as I know, the Board of Supervisors does not dictate exactly how the School Board spends the money.

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian judges in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ not some fumbling fool who cannot think for herself.

It is a travesty that there is 0% Asians on the board and for pretty much all areas of the County government. It is not under-representation - it is a ZERO representation. Where are all the white liberal democrats screaming murder in this case? We want 20%.

Ummm . . . Put up a candidate. Can't win the lottery without buying a ticket no matter how much you pray for it.

cAn say the same for black applicants to TJ - apply in numbers more than 2 or 3 dozen than you may get more than 7 or 8.

In addition, Asians do run for offices and apply for positions at the FCPS or to become teachers at TJ and other schools but are not selected on the basis of race. Racial discrimination. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for Fairfax County.

For the Class of 2024, approximately 160 Black students applied to go to TJ. Though the number selected was officially "too small to report", meaning less than 10, it is widely believed that the actual number was six. A typical recent year would see about 200 Black applicants, much more than "2 or 3 dozen".

The changes to the admissions process resulted in nearly a 70% increase in the number of Black applicants.

Exactly, we need to change the rules for Asians to increase their representation level to 20% for everything in the County including grants and contracts. It will have the most impact and remediate the injustice and discrimination that Asians have been subjected to for decades.

The Asians who have been subjected to discrimination for decades in Northern Virginia (by and large, middle and lower-class East and Southeast Asians who live in the eastern part of the county) are TREMENDOUSLY HELPED by the new admissions process.

The folks who were helped by the old admissions process and who have come to dominate the process in the last dozen years are wealthy recent South Asian immigrants who settled in relatively closed ethnic enclaves in western Fairfax and Loudoun County.

You can claim "divide and conquer" all you want, but if you have any experience at TJ over any length of time you know this to be the case. The East and Southeast Asian populations at TJ have declined steeply over those dozen years or so. There's no getting around it. Koreans are most impacted.

don['t try to cloud the issue - the issue is that when over-representation at TJ is such an outrageous injustice to suck up all the energy at the cost of millions and other costs, we certainly need to address the EXTREME (I mean big fat ZERO in most cases) under=representation suffered by Asians who make up 20% of the county. We need 20% of Asians in all major aspects of the County including Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer since there is an extreme lack of inclusion for Fairfax county.

It's not clouding the issue to talk about what is happening at the ground level. Clouding the issue would be taking a conversation about access to an educational opportunity and trying to create a false equivalency with access to a job.

Jobs are MORE important one high school.

Exactly. They are outcomes rather than opportunities in most cases - especially the ones referenced here.

Pro-TJ-reform advocates rightly understand TJ as an opportunity rather than as an outcome. We are not interested in equality of outcomes but rather equality of opportunities.

TJ is frequently misunderstood as an outcome because of the competitiveness within certain communities to receive the offer of admission and the communal value of the bumper sticker. But for those of us who understand what TJ is through deep experience, we know that it is an opportunity that has been almost completely inaccessible to Black, Hispanic, and low-income students for essentially the entirety of its existence.

TJ has existed for 35 years and yet you can't come close to filling a single graduating class with the number of Black, Hispanic, or low-income students who have ever attended the school. When you have nearly twice as many Asian students in one class as you have Black students in the entire history of the school, you can't simply ascribe that to "choices".

So 35 years to solve the pipeline problem. Why hasn't it been done? what happened to all the white folks in positions of privilege over the years. Why did they not help solve it? Because that takes work and the right intent. I think one of the successful prep schools partnering with parents of Black, Hispanic, low-income students should be tasked with improving the pipeline. They'll make it happen in a few years. Now that's a win-win. Funding can come from donations and private sector. So no tax payer money is used.

There's a reason you're not in charge.

Hint: it's because you're unserious.

Serious people/thinking haven't solved the problem. Good intentions doesn't equal solutions. I am a business owner. If I was in charge, I would have solved the problem by now.

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Anonymous wrote:Not really seeing why they would appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

They can't help themselves. They love spending other people's money practicing racism.

HAK is representing FCPS pro bono, just like PLF is representing C4TJ pro bono.

BS.

Apparently Verrilli is taking this on pro bono. Not sure Hunton's invovlement at all at the appelate level. Should be interesting, and clearly raises the profile of this case even more.

Hunton Kurth is still on the appeals team (at least two attorneys) and taxpayers will be paying.
See article below for information about the attorneys that will be representing FCPS. Not all of them are working pro Bono!

https://wjla.com/news/local/fairfax-county-school-board-appeal-ruling-fcps-thomas-jefferson-high-school-for-science-and-technology-tj-admissions-policy-process-controversial-discrimination-asian-american-applicants-judge-claude-hilton-virginia

Who approves these budgets?

Our elected officials. The Fairfax Board of Supervisors approves the overall funding. The School Board decides how to spend it. As far as I know, the Board of Supervisors does not dictate exactly how the School Board spends the money.

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian judges in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ not some fumbling fool who cannot think for herself.

It is a travesty that there is 0% Asians on the board and for pretty much all areas of the County government. It is not under-representation - it is a ZERO representation. Where are all the white liberal democrats screaming murder in this case? We want 20%.

Ummm . . . Put up a candidate. Can't win the lottery without buying a ticket no matter how much you pray for it.

cAn say the same for black applicants to TJ - apply in numbers more than 2 or 3 dozen than you may get more than 7 or 8.

In addition, Asians do run for offices and apply for positions at the FCPS or to become teachers at TJ and other schools but are not selected on the basis of race. Racial discrimination. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for Fairfax County.

For the Class of 2024, approximately 160 Black students applied to go to TJ. Though the number selected was officially "too small to report", meaning less than 10, it is widely believed that the actual number was six. A typical recent year would see about 200 Black applicants, much more than "2 or 3 dozen".

The changes to the admissions process resulted in nearly a 70% increase in the number of Black applicants.

Exactly, we need to change the rules for Asians to increase their representation level to 20% for everything in the County including grants and contracts. It will have the most impact and remediate the injustice and discrimination that Asians have been subjected to for decades.

The Asians who have been subjected to discrimination for decades in Northern Virginia (by and large, middle and lower-class East and Southeast Asians who live in the eastern part of the county) are TREMENDOUSLY HELPED by the new admissions process.

The folks who were helped by the old admissions process and who have come to dominate the process in the last dozen years are wealthy recent South Asian immigrants who settled in relatively closed ethnic enclaves in western Fairfax and Loudoun County.

You can claim "divide and conquer" all you want, but if you have any experience at TJ over any length of time you know this to be the case. The East and Southeast Asian populations at TJ have declined steeply over those dozen years or so. There's no getting around it. Koreans are most impacted.

don['t try to cloud the issue - the issue is that when over-representation at TJ is such an outrageous injustice to suck up all the energy at the cost of millions and other costs, we certainly need to address the EXTREME (I mean big fat ZERO in most cases) under=representation suffered by Asians who make up 20% of the county. We need 20% of Asians in all major aspects of the County including Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer since there is an extreme lack of inclusion for Fairfax county.

It's not clouding the issue to talk about what is happening at the ground level. Clouding the issue would be taking a conversation about access to an educational opportunity and trying to create a false equivalency with access to a job.

Jobs are MORE important one high school.

Exactly. They are outcomes rather than opportunities in most cases - especially the ones referenced here.

Pro-TJ-reform advocates rightly understand TJ as an opportunity rather than as an outcome. We are not interested in equality of outcomes but rather equality of opportunities.

TJ is frequently misunderstood as an outcome because of the competitiveness within certain communities to receive the offer of admission and the communal value of the bumper sticker. But for those of us who understand what TJ is through deep experience, we know that it is an opportunity that has been almost completely inaccessible to Black, Hispanic, and low-income students for essentially the entirety of its existence.

TJ has existed for 35 years and yet you can't come close to filling a single graduating class with the number of Black, Hispanic, or low-income students who have ever attended the school. When you have nearly twice as many Asian students in one class as you have Black students in the entire history of the school, you can't simply ascribe that to "choices".

So 35 years to solve the pipeline problem. Why hasn't it been done? what happened to all the white folks in positions of privilege over the years. Why did they not help solve it? Because that takes work and the right intent. I think one of the successful prep schools partnering with parents of Black, Hispanic, low-income students should be tasked with improving the pipeline. They'll make it happen in a few years. Now that's a win-win. Funding can come from donations and private sector. So no tax payer money is used.

As an Asian American against the recent changes, I support this 100%. I might even give money and volunteer to teach/tutor students.

Thanks. I think this can be done. Better than just cheap talk with the only solution being to lower standards. We can lift all boats with a creative, collaborative approach.

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Anonymous wrote:Not really seeing why they would appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

They can't help themselves. They love spending other people's money practicing racism.

HAK is representing FCPS pro bono, just like PLF is representing C4TJ pro bono.

BS.

Apparently Verrilli is taking this on pro bono. Not sure Hunton's invovlement at all at the appelate level. Should be interesting, and clearly raises the profile of this case even more.

Hunton Kurth is still on the appeals team (at least two attorneys) and taxpayers will be paying.
See article below for information about the attorneys that will be representing FCPS. Not all of them are working pro Bono!

https://wjla.com/news/local/fairfax-county-school-board-appeal-ruling-fcps-thomas-jefferson-high-school-for-science-and-technology-tj-admissions-policy-process-controversial-discrimination-asian-american-applicants-judge-claude-hilton-virginia

Who approves these budgets?

Our elected officials. The Fairfax Board of Supervisors approves the overall funding. The School Board decides how to spend it. As far as I know, the Board of Supervisors does not dictate exactly how the School Board spends the money.

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian judges in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ not some fumbling fool who cannot think for herself.

It is a travesty that there is 0% Asians on the board and for pretty much all areas of the County government. It is not under-representation - it is a ZERO representation. Where are all the white liberal democrats screaming murder in this case? We want 20%.

Ummm . . . Put up a candidate. Can't win the lottery without buying a ticket no matter how much you pray for it.

cAn say the same for black applicants to TJ - apply in numbers more than 2 or 3 dozen than you may get more than 7 or 8.

In addition, Asians do run for offices and apply for positions at the FCPS or to become teachers at TJ and other schools but are not selected on the basis of race. Racial discrimination. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for Fairfax County.

For the Class of 2024, approximately 160 Black students applied to go to TJ. Though the number selected was officially "too small to report", meaning less than 10, it is widely believed that the actual number was six. A typical recent year would see about 200 Black applicants, much more than "2 or 3 dozen".

The changes to the admissions process resulted in nearly a 70% increase in the number of Black applicants.

Exactly, we need to change the rules for Asians to increase their representation level to 20% for everything in the County including grants and contracts. It will have the most impact and remediate the injustice and discrimination that Asians have been subjected to for decades.

The Asians who have been subjected to discrimination for decades in Northern Virginia (by and large, middle and lower-class East and Southeast Asians who live in the eastern part of the county) are TREMENDOUSLY HELPED by the new admissions process.

The folks who were helped by the old admissions process and who have come to dominate the process in the last dozen years are wealthy recent South Asian immigrants who settled in relatively closed ethnic enclaves in western Fairfax and Loudoun County.

You can claim "divide and conquer" all you want, but if you have any experience at TJ over any length of time you know this to be the case. The East and Southeast Asian populations at TJ have declined steeply over those dozen years or so. There's no getting around it. Koreans are most impacted.

don['t try to cloud the issue - the issue is that when over-representation at TJ is such an outrageous injustice to suck up all the energy at the cost of millions and other costs, we certainly need to address the EXTREME (I mean big fat ZERO in most cases) under=representation suffered by Asians who make up 20% of the county. We need 20% of Asians in all major aspects of the County including Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer since there is an extreme lack of inclusion for Fairfax county.

It's not clouding the issue to talk about what is happening at the ground level. Clouding the issue would be taking a conversation about access to an educational opportunity and trying to create a false equivalency with access to a job.

Jobs are MORE important one high school.

Exactly. They are outcomes rather than opportunities in most cases - especially the ones referenced here.

Pro-TJ-reform advocates rightly understand TJ as an opportunity rather than as an outcome. We are not interested in equality of outcomes but rather equality of opportunities.

TJ is frequently misunderstood as an outcome because of the competitiveness within certain communities to receive the offer of admission and the communal value of the bumper sticker. But for those of us who understand what TJ is through deep experience, we know that it is an opportunity that has been almost completely inaccessible to Black, Hispanic, and low-income students for essentially the entirety of its existence.

TJ has existed for 35 years and yet you can't come close to filling a single graduating class with the number of Black, Hispanic, or low-income students who have ever attended the school. When you have nearly twice as many Asian students in one class as you have Black students in the entire history of the school, you can't simply ascribe that to "choices".

So 35 years to solve the pipeline problem. Why hasn't it been done? what happened to all the white folks in positions of privilege over the years. Why did they not help solve it? Because that takes work and the right intent. I think one of the successful prep schools partnering with parents of Black, Hispanic, low-income students should be tasked with improving the pipeline. They'll make it happen in a few years. Now that's a win-win. Funding can come from donations and private sector. So no tax payer money is used.

There's a reason you're not in charge.

Hint: it's because you're unserious.

Serious people/thinking haven't solved the problem. Good intentions doesn't equal solutions. I am a business owner. If I was in charge, I would have solved the problem by now.

What would be your solution?

Or maybe we should ask: what do you think the problem is?

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Anonymous wrote:Not really seeing why they would appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

They can't help themselves. They love spending other people's money practicing racism.

HAK is representing FCPS pro bono, just like PLF is representing C4TJ pro bono.

BS.

Apparently Verrilli is taking this on pro bono. Not sure Hunton's invovlement at all at the appelate level. Should be interesting, and clearly raises the profile of this case even more.

Hunton Kurth is still on the appeals team (at least two attorneys) and taxpayers will be paying.
See article below for information about the attorneys that will be representing FCPS. Not all of them are working pro Bono!

https://wjla.com/news/local/fairfax-county-school-board-appeal-ruling-fcps-thomas-jefferson-high-school-for-science-and-technology-tj-admissions-policy-process-controversial-discrimination-asian-american-applicants-judge-claude-hilton-virginia

Who approves these budgets?

Our elected officials. The Fairfax Board of Supervisors approves the overall funding. The School Board decides how to spend it. As far as I know, the Board of Supervisors does not dictate exactly how the School Board spends the money.

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian judges in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ not some fumbling fool who cannot think for herself.

It is a travesty that there is 0% Asians on the board and for pretty much all areas of the County government. It is not under-representation - it is a ZERO representation. Where are all the white liberal democrats screaming murder in this case? We want 20%.

Ummm . . . Put up a candidate. Can't win the lottery without buying a ticket no matter how much you pray for it.

cAn say the same for black applicants to TJ - apply in numbers more than 2 or 3 dozen than you may get more than 7 or 8.

In addition, Asians do run for offices and apply for positions at the FCPS or to become teachers at TJ and other schools but are not selected on the basis of race. Racial discrimination. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for Fairfax County.

For the Class of 2024, approximately 160 Black students applied to go to TJ. Though the number selected was officially "too small to report", meaning less than 10, it is widely believed that the actual number was six. A typical recent year would see about 200 Black applicants, much more than "2 or 3 dozen".

The changes to the admissions process resulted in nearly a 70% increase in the number of Black applicants.

Exactly, we need to change the rules for Asians to increase their representation level to 20% for everything in the County including grants and contracts. It will have the most impact and remediate the injustice and discrimination that Asians have been subjected to for decades.

The Asians who have been subjected to discrimination for decades in Northern Virginia (by and large, middle and lower-class East and Southeast Asians who live in the eastern part of the county) are TREMENDOUSLY HELPED by the new admissions process.

The folks who were helped by the old admissions process and who have come to dominate the process in the last dozen years are wealthy recent South Asian immigrants who settled in relatively closed ethnic enclaves in western Fairfax and Loudoun County.

You can claim "divide and conquer" all you want, but if you have any experience at TJ over any length of time you know this to be the case. The East and Southeast Asian populations at TJ have declined steeply over those dozen years or so. There's no getting around it. Koreans are most impacted.

don['t try to cloud the issue - the issue is that when over-representation at TJ is such an outrageous injustice to suck up all the energy at the cost of millions and other costs, we certainly need to address the EXTREME (I mean big fat ZERO in most cases) under=representation suffered by Asians who make up 20% of the county. We need 20% of Asians in all major aspects of the County including Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer since there is an extreme lack of inclusion for Fairfax county.

It's not clouding the issue to talk about what is happening at the ground level. Clouding the issue would be taking a conversation about access to an educational opportunity and trying to create a false equivalency with access to a job.

Jobs are MORE important one high school.

Exactly. They are outcomes rather than opportunities in most cases - especially the ones referenced here.

Pro-TJ-reform advocates rightly understand TJ as an opportunity rather than as an outcome. We are not interested in equality of outcomes but rather equality of opportunities.

TJ is frequently misunderstood as an outcome because of the competitiveness within certain communities to receive the offer of admission and the communal value of the bumper sticker. But for those of us who understand what TJ is through deep experience, we know that it is an opportunity that has been almost completely inaccessible to Black, Hispanic, and low-income students for essentially the entirety of its existence.

TJ has existed for 35 years and yet you can't come close to filling a single graduating class with the number of Black, Hispanic, or low-income students who have ever attended the school. When you have nearly twice as many Asian students in one class as you have Black students in the entire history of the school, you can't simply ascribe that to "choices".

So 35 years to solve the pipeline problem. Why hasn't it been done? what happened to all the white folks in positions of privilege over the years. Why did they not help solve it? Because that takes work and the right intent. I think one of the successful prep schools partnering with parents of Black, Hispanic, low-income students should be tasked with improving the pipeline. They'll make it happen in a few years. Now that's a win-win. Funding can come from donations and private sector. So no tax payer money is used.

There's a reason you're not in charge.

Hint: it's because you're unserious.

Serious people/thinking haven't solved the problem. Good intentions doesn't equal solutions. I am a business owner. If I was in charge, I would have solved the problem by now.

What would be your solution?

Or maybe we should ask: what do you think the problem is?

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Anonymous wrote:Not really seeing why they would appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

They can't help themselves. They love spending other people's money practicing racism.

HAK is representing FCPS pro bono, just like PLF is representing C4TJ pro bono.

BS.

Apparently Verrilli is taking this on pro bono. Not sure Hunton's invovlement at all at the appelate level. Should be interesting, and clearly raises the profile of this case even more.

Hunton Kurth is still on the appeals team (at least two attorneys) and taxpayers will be paying.
See article below for information about the attorneys that will be representing FCPS. Not all of them are working pro Bono!

https://wjla.com/news/local/fairfax-county-school-board-appeal-ruling-fcps-thomas-jefferson-high-school-for-science-and-technology-tj-admissions-policy-process-controversial-discrimination-asian-american-applicants-judge-claude-hilton-virginia

Who approves these budgets?

Our elected officials. The Fairfax Board of Supervisors approves the overall funding. The School Board decides how to spend it. As far as I know, the Board of Supervisors does not dictate exactly how the School Board spends the money.

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian judges in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ not some fumbling fool who cannot think for herself.

It is a travesty that there is 0% Asians on the board and for pretty much all areas of the County government. It is not under-representation - it is a ZERO representation. Where are all the white liberal democrats screaming murder in this case? We want 20%.

Ummm . . . Put up a candidate. Can't win the lottery without buying a ticket no matter how much you pray for it.

cAn say the same for black applicants to TJ - apply in numbers more than 2 or 3 dozen than you may get more than 7 or 8.

In addition, Asians do run for offices and apply for positions at the FCPS or to become teachers at TJ and other schools but are not selected on the basis of race. Racial discrimination. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for Fairfax County.

For the Class of 2024, approximately 160 Black students applied to go to TJ. Though the number selected was officially "too small to report", meaning less than 10, it is widely believed that the actual number was six. A typical recent year would see about 200 Black applicants, much more than "2 or 3 dozen".

The changes to the admissions process resulted in nearly a 70% increase in the number of Black applicants.

Exactly, we need to change the rules for Asians to increase their representation level to 20% for everything in the County including grants and contracts. It will have the most impact and remediate the injustice and discrimination that Asians have been subjected to for decades.

The Asians who have been subjected to discrimination for decades in Northern Virginia (by and large, middle and lower-class East and Southeast Asians who live in the eastern part of the county) are TREMENDOUSLY HELPED by the new admissions process.

The folks who were helped by the old admissions process and who have come to dominate the process in the last dozen years are wealthy recent South Asian immigrants who settled in relatively closed ethnic enclaves in western Fairfax and Loudoun County.

You can claim "divide and conquer" all you want, but if you have any experience at TJ over any length of time you know this to be the case. The East and Southeast Asian populations at TJ have declined steeply over those dozen years or so. There's no getting around it. Koreans are most impacted.

don['t try to cloud the issue - the issue is that when over-representation at TJ is such an outrageous injustice to suck up all the energy at the cost of millions and other costs, we certainly need to address the EXTREME (I mean big fat ZERO in most cases) under=representation suffered by Asians who make up 20% of the county. We need 20% of Asians in all major aspects of the County including Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer since there is an extreme lack of inclusion for Fairfax county.

It's not clouding the issue to talk about what is happening at the ground level. Clouding the issue would be taking a conversation about access to an educational opportunity and trying to create a false equivalency with access to a job.

Jobs are MORE important one high school.

Exactly. They are outcomes rather than opportunities in most cases - especially the ones referenced here.

Pro-TJ-reform advocates rightly understand TJ as an opportunity rather than as an outcome. We are not interested in equality of outcomes but rather equality of opportunities.

TJ is frequently misunderstood as an outcome because of the competitiveness within certain communities to receive the offer of admission and the communal value of the bumper sticker. But for those of us who understand what TJ is through deep experience, we know that it is an opportunity that has been almost completely inaccessible to Black, Hispanic, and low-income students for essentially the entirety of its existence.

TJ has existed for 35 years and yet you can't come close to filling a single graduating class with the number of Black, Hispanic, or low-income students who have ever attended the school. When you have nearly twice as many Asian students in one class as you have Black students in the entire history of the school, you can't simply ascribe that to "choices".

So 35 years to solve the pipeline problem. Why hasn't it been done? what happened to all the white folks in positions of privilege over the years. Why did they not help solve it? Because that takes work and the right intent. I think one of the successful prep schools partnering with parents of Black, Hispanic, low-income students should be tasked with improving the pipeline. They'll make it happen in a few years. Now that's a win-win. Funding can come from donations and private sector. So no tax payer money is used.

As an Asian American against the recent changes, I support this 100%. I might even give money and volunteer to teach/tutor students.

DP. You're against changes meant to change/improve the toxicity of the school? Do you want the school to be unchanged or do you want to see different changes made?

What you call "toxicity", others would call "competitiveness". Whenever you have bunch of driven, ambitious, intelligent and focused students in an environment with them feeling that they have to score much higher test scores, obtain much higher gpa, much better ECs, etc etc. because of their race, you will see competitive behavior. You see this in sports, arts, music heck, you ssee even MORE toxicity at Sidwell where parents are actively sabotaging other students/applicants. Talk about toxicity.

Drop the "higher bar than others' set for Asian students, and you will see a significant lessening of the competitive behavior. Just human nature. Survivor of the fittest in these crazy winner take all economy we all have to deal with.

Call Sidwell parents and Sidwell toxic before you call TJ toxic.

I recently moved to this area from another part of the country and never heard of TJ until I recently read the paper and found this thread. My oldest is at an Ivy studying STEM and has lots of Asian classmates and he says it’s a very collaborative environment even though everyone is all of the things you mentioned above. Asian students presumably face the same hurdles for college admissions that they did for admissions to TJ, so why is the HS environment so toxic compared to the college? Now the college isn’t majority Asian so maybe the level of competitiveness is not as high there.

Outside of pre-med, I don't think STEM degrees are all that competitive. At least they weren't at my top-ranked STEM programs. Grad was majority Asian students.

Everyone isn't gunning to differentiate themselves for college admissions.

The remarkable thing is - TJ students think they’re differentiating themselves for college admissions by pursuing slightly different angles in the same overall path - STEM extracurriculars, internships, developing non-profits, etc. But they all get thrown in the same bucket and lose to kids who don’t look like they’re trying to impress colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Not really seeing why they would appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

They can't help themselves. They love spending other people's money practicing racism.

HAK is representing FCPS pro bono, just like PLF is representing C4TJ pro bono.

BS.

Apparently Verrilli is taking this on pro bono. Not sure Hunton's invovlement at all at the appelate level. Should be interesting, and clearly raises the profile of this case even more.

Hunton Kurth is still on the appeals team (at least two attorneys) and taxpayers will be paying.
See article below for information about the attorneys that will be representing FCPS. Not all of them are working pro Bono!

https://wjla.com/news/local/fairfax-county-school-board-appeal-ruling-fcps-thomas-jefferson-high-school-for-science-and-technology-tj-admissions-policy-process-controversial-discrimination-asian-american-applicants-judge-claude-hilton-virginia

Who approves these budgets?

Our elected officials. The Fairfax Board of Supervisors approves the overall funding. The School Board decides how to spend it. As far as I know, the Board of Supervisors does not dictate exactly how the School Board spends the money.

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian judges in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ not some fumbling fool who cannot think for herself.

It is a travesty that there is 0% Asians on the board and for pretty much all areas of the County government. It is not under-representation - it is a ZERO representation. Where are all the white liberal democrats screaming murder in this case? We want 20%.

Ummm . . . Put up a candidate. Can't win the lottery without buying a ticket no matter how much you pray for it.

cAn say the same for black applicants to TJ - apply in numbers more than 2 or 3 dozen than you may get more than 7 or 8.

In addition, Asians do run for offices and apply for positions at the FCPS or to become teachers at TJ and other schools but are not selected on the basis of race. Racial discrimination. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for Fairfax County.

For the Class of 2024, approximately 160 Black students applied to go to TJ. Though the number selected was officially "too small to report", meaning less than 10, it is widely believed that the actual number was six. A typical recent year would see about 200 Black applicants, much more than "2 or 3 dozen".

The changes to the admissions process resulted in nearly a 70% increase in the number of Black applicants.

Exactly, we need to change the rules for Asians to increase their representation level to 20% for everything in the County including grants and contracts. It will have the most impact and remediate the injustice and discrimination that Asians have been subjected to for decades.

The Asians who have been subjected to discrimination for decades in Northern Virginia (by and large, middle and lower-class East and Southeast Asians who live in the eastern part of the county) are TREMENDOUSLY HELPED by the new admissions process.

The folks who were helped by the old admissions process and who have come to dominate the process in the last dozen years are wealthy recent South Asian immigrants who settled in relatively closed ethnic enclaves in western Fairfax and Loudoun County.

You can claim "divide and conquer" all you want, but if you have any experience at TJ over any length of time you know this to be the case. The East and Southeast Asian populations at TJ have declined steeply over those dozen years or so. There's no getting around it. Koreans are most impacted.

don['t try to cloud the issue - the issue is that when over-representation at TJ is such an outrageous injustice to suck up all the energy at the cost of millions and other costs, we certainly need to address the EXTREME (I mean big fat ZERO in most cases) under=representation suffered by Asians who make up 20% of the county. We need 20% of Asians in all major aspects of the County including Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer since there is an extreme lack of inclusion for Fairfax county.

It's not clouding the issue to talk about what is happening at the ground level. Clouding the issue would be taking a conversation about access to an educational opportunity and trying to create a false equivalency with access to a job.

Jobs are MORE important one high school.

Exactly. They are outcomes rather than opportunities in most cases - especially the ones referenced here.

Pro-TJ-reform advocates rightly understand TJ as an opportunity rather than as an outcome. We are not interested in equality of outcomes but rather equality of opportunities.

TJ is frequently misunderstood as an outcome because of the competitiveness within certain communities to receive the offer of admission and the communal value of the bumper sticker. But for those of us who understand what TJ is through deep experience, we know that it is an opportunity that has been almost completely inaccessible to Black, Hispanic, and low-income students for essentially the entirety of its existence.

TJ has existed for 35 years and yet you can't come close to filling a single graduating class with the number of Black, Hispanic, or low-income students who have ever attended the school. When you have nearly twice as many Asian students in one class as you have Black students in the entire history of the school, you can't simply ascribe that to "choices".

So 35 years to solve the pipeline problem. Why hasn't it been done? what happened to all the white folks in positions of privilege over the years. Why did they not help solve it? Because that takes work and the right intent. I think one of the successful prep schools partnering with parents of Black, Hispanic, low-income students should be tasked with improving the pipeline. They'll make it happen in a few years. Now that's a win-win. Funding can come from donations and private sector. So no tax payer money is used.

There's a reason you're not in charge.

Hint: it's because you're unserious.

Serious people/thinking haven't solved the problem. Good intentions doesn't equal solutions. I am a business owner. If I was in charge, I would have solved the problem by now.

What would be your solution?

Or maybe we should ask: what do you think the problem is?

Read thread.

Oh, were you the “partnering” PP?

What specifically would you do differently than what they are doing today?

Why do you think you can achieve it in a few years?

How would you sustain in the long-term plan?

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Anonymous wrote:Not really seeing why they would appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

They can't help themselves. They love spending other people's money practicing racism.

HAK is representing FCPS pro bono, just like PLF is representing C4TJ pro bono.

BS.

Apparently Verrilli is taking this on pro bono. Not sure Hunton's invovlement at all at the appelate level. Should be interesting, and clearly raises the profile of this case even more.

Hunton Kurth is still on the appeals team (at least two attorneys) and taxpayers will be paying.
See article below for information about the attorneys that will be representing FCPS. Not all of them are working pro Bono!

https://wjla.com/news/local/fairfax-county-school-board-appeal-ruling-fcps-thomas-jefferson-high-school-for-science-and-technology-tj-admissions-policy-process-controversial-discrimination-asian-american-applicants-judge-claude-hilton-virginia

Who approves these budgets?

Our elected officials. The Fairfax Board of Supervisors approves the overall funding. The School Board decides how to spend it. As far as I know, the Board of Supervisors does not dictate exactly how the School Board spends the money.

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian judges in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ not some fumbling fool who cannot think for herself.

It is a travesty that there is 0% Asians on the board and for pretty much all areas of the County government. It is not under-representation - it is a ZERO representation. Where are all the white liberal democrats screaming murder in this case? We want 20%.

Ummm . . . Put up a candidate. Can't win the lottery without buying a ticket no matter how much you pray for it.

cAn say the same for black applicants to TJ - apply in numbers more than 2 or 3 dozen than you may get more than 7 or 8.

In addition, Asians do run for offices and apply for positions at the FCPS or to become teachers at TJ and other schools but are not selected on the basis of race. Racial discrimination. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for Fairfax County.

For the Class of 2024, approximately 160 Black students applied to go to TJ. Though the number selected was officially "too small to report", meaning less than 10, it is widely believed that the actual number was six. A typical recent year would see about 200 Black applicants, much more than "2 or 3 dozen".

The changes to the admissions process resulted in nearly a 70% increase in the number of Black applicants.

Exactly, we need to change the rules for Asians to increase their representation level to 20% for everything in the County including grants and contracts. It will have the most impact and remediate the injustice and discrimination that Asians have been subjected to for decades.

The Asians who have been subjected to discrimination for decades in Northern Virginia (by and large, middle and lower-class East and Southeast Asians who live in the eastern part of the county) are TREMENDOUSLY HELPED by the new admissions process.

The folks who were helped by the old admissions process and who have come to dominate the process in the last dozen years are wealthy recent South Asian immigrants who settled in relatively closed ethnic enclaves in western Fairfax and Loudoun County.

You can claim "divide and conquer" all you want, but if you have any experience at TJ over any length of time you know this to be the case. The East and Southeast Asian populations at TJ have declined steeply over those dozen years or so. There's no getting around it. Koreans are most impacted.

don['t try to cloud the issue - the issue is that when over-representation at TJ is such an outrageous injustice to suck up all the energy at the cost of millions and other costs, we certainly need to address the EXTREME (I mean big fat ZERO in most cases) under=representation suffered by Asians who make up 20% of the county. We need 20% of Asians in all major aspects of the County including Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer since there is an extreme lack of inclusion for Fairfax county.

It's not clouding the issue to talk about what is happening at the ground level. Clouding the issue would be taking a conversation about access to an educational opportunity and trying to create a false equivalency with access to a job.

Jobs are MORE important one high school.

Exactly. They are outcomes rather than opportunities in most cases - especially the ones referenced here.

Pro-TJ-reform advocates rightly understand TJ as an opportunity rather than as an outcome. We are not interested in equality of outcomes but rather equality of opportunities.

TJ is frequently misunderstood as an outcome because of the competitiveness within certain communities to receive the offer of admission and the communal value of the bumper sticker. But for those of us who understand what TJ is through deep experience, we know that it is an opportunity that has been almost completely inaccessible to Black, Hispanic, and low-income students for essentially the entirety of its existence.

TJ has existed for 35 years and yet you can't come close to filling a single graduating class with the number of Black, Hispanic, or low-income students who have ever attended the school. When you have nearly twice as many Asian students in one class as you have Black students in the entire history of the school, you can't simply ascribe that to "choices".

So 35 years to solve the pipeline problem. Why hasn't it been done? what happened to all the white folks in positions of privilege over the years. Why did they not help solve it? Because that takes work and the right intent. I think one of the successful prep schools partnering with parents of Black, Hispanic, low-income students should be tasked with improving the pipeline. They'll make it happen in a few years. Now that's a win-win. Funding can come from donations and private sector. So no tax payer money is used.

As an Asian American against the recent changes, I support this 100%. I might even give money and volunteer to teach/tutor students.

DP. You're against changes meant to change/improve the toxicity of the school? Do you want the school to be unchanged or do you want to see different changes made?

What you call "toxicity", others would call "competitiveness". Whenever you have bunch of driven, ambitious, intelligent and focused students in an environment with them feeling that they have to score much higher test scores, obtain much higher gpa, much better ECs, etc etc. because of their race, you will see competitive behavior. You see this in sports, arts, music heck, you ssee even MORE toxicity at Sidwell where parents are actively sabotaging other students/applicants. Talk about toxicity.

Drop the "higher bar than others' set for Asian students, and you will see a significant lessening of the competitive behavior. Just human nature. Survivor of the fittest in these crazy winner take all economy we all have to deal with.

Call Sidwell parents and Sidwell toxic before you call TJ toxic.

Most people connected to TJ have no idea what goes on at Sidwell. We don’t care.

We care about the environment at TJ, and the health of the kids who go there. That environment is too competitive because you have too many students trying to do the same things in the same ways - NOT because they’re Asian or because they’re “pushed harder”. It’s because they’re all choosing to climb the same ladder when there are dozens of other ladders available to get to the same places. It turns into a circular firing squad as a result.

Thankfully, there are some TJ students who see the other ladders - and those are the ones who don’t engage in the competitive behavior, have a better overall experience that they remember fondly, and see better outcomes in the elite college admissions process.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of us agree that we need more Blacks and This Hispanics in TJ but differ on the best way to achieve that. We should try to fix the pipeline and raise everyone’s standard, not the other way around.

What's the driver behind that need? Skin color?

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Anonymous wrote:Most of us agree that we need more Blacks and This Hispanics in TJ but differ on the best way to achieve that. We should try to fix the pipeline and raise everyone’s standard, not the other way around.

What's the driver behind that need? Skin color?

See the problem, the person above does not sees any issue with need to have more Blacks and Hispanic community in TJ, on the other hand some will go any measure to turn everything upside down if they don’t like the status quo, there is something called common sense solution which starts when both parties are ready to compromise. Unfortunately extremist on the both sides are too load and hate the other side.

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Anonymous wrote:Not really seeing why they would appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

They can't help themselves. They love spending other people's money practicing racism.

HAK is representing FCPS pro bono, just like PLF is representing C4TJ pro bono.

BS.

Apparently Verrilli is taking this on pro bono. Not sure Hunton's invovlement at all at the appelate level. Should be interesting, and clearly raises the profile of this case even more.

Hunton Kurth is still on the appeals team (at least two attorneys) and taxpayers will be paying.
See article below for information about the attorneys that will be representing FCPS. Not all of them are working pro Bono!

https://wjla.com/news/local/fairfax-county-school-board-appeal-ruling-fcps-thomas-jefferson-high-school-for-science-and-technology-tj-admissions-policy-process-controversial-discrimination-asian-american-applicants-judge-claude-hilton-virginia

Who approves these budgets?

Our elected officials. The Fairfax Board of Supervisors approves the overall funding. The School Board decides how to spend it. As far as I know, the Board of Supervisors does not dictate exactly how the School Board spends the money.

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian judges in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ not some fumbling fool who cannot think for herself.

It is a travesty that there is 0% Asians on the board and for pretty much all areas of the County government. It is not under-representation - it is a ZERO representation. Where are all the white liberal democrats screaming murder in this case? We want 20%.

Ummm . . . Put up a candidate. Can't win the lottery without buying a ticket no matter how much you pray for it.

cAn say the same for black applicants to TJ - apply in numbers more than 2 or 3 dozen than you may get more than 7 or 8.

In addition, Asians do run for offices and apply for positions at the FCPS or to become teachers at TJ and other schools but are not selected on the basis of race. Racial discrimination. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for Fairfax County.

For the Class of 2024, approximately 160 Black students applied to go to TJ. Though the number selected was officially "too small to report", meaning less than 10, it is widely believed that the actual number was six. A typical recent year would see about 200 Black applicants, much more than "2 or 3 dozen".

The changes to the admissions process resulted in nearly a 70% increase in the number of Black applicants.

Exactly, we need to change the rules for Asians to increase their representation level to 20% for everything in the County including grants and contracts. It will have the most impact and remediate the injustice and discrimination that Asians have been subjected to for decades.

The Asians who have been subjected to discrimination for decades in Northern Virginia (by and large, middle and lower-class East and Southeast Asians who live in the eastern part of the county) are TREMENDOUSLY HELPED by the new admissions process.

The folks who were helped by the old admissions process and who have come to dominate the process in the last dozen years are wealthy recent South Asian immigrants who settled in relatively closed ethnic enclaves in western Fairfax and Loudoun County.

You can claim "divide and conquer" all you want, but if you have any experience at TJ over any length of time you know this to be the case. The East and Southeast Asian populations at TJ have declined steeply over those dozen years or so. There's no getting around it. Koreans are most impacted.

don['t try to cloud the issue - the issue is that when over-representation at TJ is such an outrageous injustice to suck up all the energy at the cost of millions and other costs, we certainly need to address the EXTREME (I mean big fat ZERO in most cases) under=representation suffered by Asians who make up 20% of the county. We need 20% of Asians in all major aspects of the County including Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer since there is an extreme lack of inclusion for Fairfax county.

It's not clouding the issue to talk about what is happening at the ground level. Clouding the issue would be taking a conversation about access to an educational opportunity and trying to create a false equivalency with access to a job.

Jobs are MORE important one high school.

Exactly. They are outcomes rather than opportunities in most cases - especially the ones referenced here.

Pro-TJ-reform advocates rightly understand TJ as an opportunity rather than as an outcome. We are not interested in equality of outcomes but rather equality of opportunities.

TJ is frequently misunderstood as an outcome because of the competitiveness within certain communities to receive the offer of admission and the communal value of the bumper sticker. But for those of us who understand what TJ is through deep experience, we know that it is an opportunity that has been almost completely inaccessible to Black, Hispanic, and low-income students for essentially the entirety of its existence.

TJ has existed for 35 years and yet you can't come close to filling a single graduating class with the number of Black, Hispanic, or low-income students who have ever attended the school. When you have nearly twice as many Asian students in one class as you have Black students in the entire history of the school, you can't simply ascribe that to "choices".

So 35 years to solve the pipeline problem. Why hasn't it been done? what happened to all the white folks in positions of privilege over the years. Why did they not help solve it? Because that takes work and the right intent. I think one of the successful prep schools partnering with parents of Black, Hispanic, low-income students should be tasked with improving the pipeline. They'll make it happen in a few years. Now that's a win-win. Funding can come from donations and private sector. So no tax payer money is used.

As an Asian American against the recent changes, I support this 100%. I might even give money and volunteer to teach/tutor students.

DP. You're against changes meant to change/improve the toxicity of the school? Do you want the school to be unchanged or do you want to see different changes made?

What you call "toxicity", others would call "competitiveness". Whenever you have bunch of driven, ambitious, intelligent and focused students in an environment with them feeling that they have to score much higher test scores, obtain much higher gpa, much better ECs, etc etc. because of their race, you will see competitive behavior. You see this in sports, arts, music heck, you ssee even MORE toxicity at Sidwell where parents are actively sabotaging other students/applicants. Talk about toxicity.

Drop the "higher bar than others' set for Asian students, and you will see a significant lessening of the competitive behavior. Just human nature. Survivor of the fittest in these crazy winner take all economy we all have to deal with.

Call Sidwell parents and Sidwell toxic before you call TJ toxic.

Most people connected to TJ have no idea what goes on at Sidwell. We don’t care.

We care about the environment at TJ, and the health of the kids who go there. That environment is too competitive because you have too many students trying to do the same things in the same ways - NOT because they’re Asian or because they’re “pushed harder”. It’s because they’re all choosing to climb the same ladder when there are dozens of other ladders available to get to the same places. It turns into a circular firing squad as a result.

Thankfully, there are some TJ students who see the other ladders - and those are the ones who don’t engage in the competitive behavior, have a better overall experience that they remember fondly, and see better outcomes in the elite college admissions process.

What is Sidwell?

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Anonymous wrote:Not really seeing why they would appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

They can't help themselves. They love spending other people's money practicing racism.

HAK is representing FCPS pro bono, just like PLF is representing C4TJ pro bono.

BS.

Apparently Verrilli is taking this on pro bono. Not sure Hunton's invovlement at all at the appelate level. Should be interesting, and clearly raises the profile of this case even more.

Hunton Kurth is still on the appeals team (at least two attorneys) and taxpayers will be paying.
See article below for information about the attorneys that will be representing FCPS. Not all of them are working pro Bono!

https://wjla.com/news/local/fairfax-county-school-board-appeal-ruling-fcps-thomas-jefferson-high-school-for-science-and-technology-tj-admissions-policy-process-controversial-discrimination-asian-american-applicants-judge-claude-hilton-virginia

Who approves these budgets?

Our elected officials. The Fairfax Board of Supervisors approves the overall funding. The School Board decides how to spend it. As far as I know, the Board of Supervisors does not dictate exactly how the School Board spends the money.

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian judges in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ not some fumbling fool who cannot think for herself.

It is a travesty that there is 0% Asians on the board and for pretty much all areas of the County government. It is not under-representation - it is a ZERO representation. Where are all the white liberal democrats screaming murder in this case? We want 20%.

Ummm . . . Put up a candidate. Can't win the lottery without buying a ticket no matter how much you pray for it.

cAn say the same for black applicants to TJ - apply in numbers more than 2 or 3 dozen than you may get more than 7 or 8.

In addition, Asians do run for offices and apply for positions at the FCPS or to become teachers at TJ and other schools but are not selected on the basis of race. Racial discrimination. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for Fairfax County.

For the Class of 2024, approximately 160 Black students applied to go to TJ. Though the number selected was officially "too small to report", meaning less than 10, it is widely believed that the actual number was six. A typical recent year would see about 200 Black applicants, much more than "2 or 3 dozen".

The changes to the admissions process resulted in nearly a 70% increase in the number of Black applicants.

Exactly, we need to change the rules for Asians to increase their representation level to 20% for everything in the County including grants and contracts. It will have the most impact and remediate the injustice and discrimination that Asians have been subjected to for decades.

The Asians who have been subjected to discrimination for decades in Northern Virginia (by and large, middle and lower-class East and Southeast Asians who live in the eastern part of the county) are TREMENDOUSLY HELPED by the new admissions process.

The folks who were helped by the old admissions process and who have come to dominate the process in the last dozen years are wealthy recent South Asian immigrants who settled in relatively closed ethnic enclaves in western Fairfax and Loudoun County.

You can claim "divide and conquer" all you want, but if you have any experience at TJ over any length of time you know this to be the case. The East and Southeast Asian populations at TJ have declined steeply over those dozen years or so. There's no getting around it. Koreans are most impacted.

don['t try to cloud the issue - the issue is that when over-representation at TJ is such an outrageous injustice to suck up all the energy at the cost of millions and other costs, we certainly need to address the EXTREME (I mean big fat ZERO in most cases) under=representation suffered by Asians who make up 20% of the county. We need 20% of Asians in all major aspects of the County including Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer since there is an extreme lack of inclusion for Fairfax county.

It's not clouding the issue to talk about what is happening at the ground level. Clouding the issue would be taking a conversation about access to an educational opportunity and trying to create a false equivalency with access to a job.

Jobs are MORE important one high school.

Exactly. They are outcomes rather than opportunities in most cases - especially the ones referenced here.

Pro-TJ-reform advocates rightly understand TJ as an opportunity rather than as an outcome. We are not interested in equality of outcomes but rather equality of opportunities.

TJ is frequently misunderstood as an outcome because of the competitiveness within certain communities to receive the offer of admission and the communal value of the bumper sticker. But for those of us who understand what TJ is through deep experience, we know that it is an opportunity that has been almost completely inaccessible to Black, Hispanic, and low-income students for essentially the entirety of its existence.

TJ has existed for 35 years and yet you can't come close to filling a single graduating class with the number of Black, Hispanic, or low-income students who have ever attended the school. When you have nearly twice as many Asian students in one class as you have Black students in the entire history of the school, you can't simply ascribe that to "choices".

So 35 years to solve the pipeline problem. Why hasn't it been done? what happened to all the white folks in positions of privilege over the years. Why did they not help solve it? Because that takes work and the right intent. I think one of the successful prep schools partnering with parents of Black, Hispanic, low-income students should be tasked with improving the pipeline. They'll make it happen in a few years. Now that's a win-win. Funding can come from donations and private sector. So no tax payer money is used.

As an Asian American against the recent changes, I support this 100%. I might even give money and volunteer to teach/tutor students.

DP. You're against changes meant to change/improve the toxicity of the school? Do you want the school to be unchanged or do you want to see different changes made?

What you call "toxicity", others would call "competitiveness". Whenever you have bunch of driven, ambitious, intelligent and focused students in an environment with them feeling that they have to score much higher test scores, obtain much higher gpa, much better ECs, etc etc. because of their race, you will see competitive behavior. You see this in sports, arts, music heck, you ssee even MORE toxicity at Sidwell where parents are actively sabotaging other students/applicants. Talk about toxicity.

Drop the "higher bar than others' set for Asian students, and you will see a significant lessening of the competitive behavior. Just human nature. Survivor of the fittest in these crazy winner take all economy we all have to deal with.

Call Sidwell parents and Sidwell toxic before you call TJ toxic.

Most people connected to TJ have no idea what goes on at Sidwell. We don’t care.

We care about the environment at TJ, and the health of the kids who go there. That environment is too competitive because you have too many students trying to do the same things in the same ways - NOT because they’re Asian or because they’re “pushed harder”. It’s because they’re all choosing to climb the same ladder when there are dozens of other ladders available to get to the same places. It turns into a circular firing squad as a result.

Thankfully, there are some TJ students who see the other ladders - and those are the ones who don’t engage in the competitive behavior, have a better overall experience that they remember fondly, and see better outcomes in the elite college admissions process.

What is Sidwell?

Sidwell is a highly-rated (though not top-rated) private school in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:Not really seeing why they would appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

They can't help themselves. They love spending other people's money practicing racism.

HAK is representing FCPS pro bono, just like PLF is representing C4TJ pro bono.

BS.

Apparently Verrilli is taking this on pro bono. Not sure Hunton's invovlement at all at the appelate level. Should be interesting, and clearly raises the profile of this case even more.

Hunton Kurth is still on the appeals team (at least two attorneys) and taxpayers will be paying.
See article below for information about the attorneys that will be representing FCPS. Not all of them are working pro Bono!

https://wjla.com/news/local/fairfax-county-school-board-appeal-ruling-fcps-thomas-jefferson-high-school-for-science-and-technology-tj-admissions-policy-process-controversial-discrimination-asian-american-applicants-judge-claude-hilton-virginia

Who approves these budgets?

Our elected officials. The Fairfax Board of Supervisors approves the overall funding. The School Board decides how to spend it. As far as I know, the Board of Supervisors does not dictate exactly how the School Board spends the money.

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian judges in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ not some fumbling fool who cannot think for herself.

It is a travesty that there is 0% Asians on the board and for pretty much all areas of the County government. It is not under-representation - it is a ZERO representation. Where are all the white liberal democrats screaming murder in this case? We want 20%.

Ummm . . . Put up a candidate. Can't win the lottery without buying a ticket no matter how much you pray for it.

cAn say the same for black applicants to TJ - apply in numbers more than 2 or 3 dozen than you may get more than 7 or 8.

In addition, Asians do run for offices and apply for positions at the FCPS or to become teachers at TJ and other schools but are not selected on the basis of race. Racial discrimination. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for Fairfax County.

For the Class of 2024, approximately 160 Black students applied to go to TJ. Though the number selected was officially "too small to report", meaning less than 10, it is widely believed that the actual number was six. A typical recent year would see about 200 Black applicants, much more than "2 or 3 dozen".

The changes to the admissions process resulted in nearly a 70% increase in the number of Black applicants.

Exactly, we need to change the rules for Asians to increase their representation level to 20% for everything in the County including grants and contracts. It will have the most impact and remediate the injustice and discrimination that Asians have been subjected to for decades.

The Asians who have been subjected to discrimination for decades in Northern Virginia (by and large, middle and lower-class East and Southeast Asians who live in the eastern part of the county) are TREMENDOUSLY HELPED by the new admissions process.

The folks who were helped by the old admissions process and who have come to dominate the process in the last dozen years are wealthy recent South Asian immigrants who settled in relatively closed ethnic enclaves in western Fairfax and Loudoun County.

You can claim "divide and conquer" all you want, but if you have any experience at TJ over any length of time you know this to be the case. The East and Southeast Asian populations at TJ have declined steeply over those dozen years or so. There's no getting around it. Koreans are most impacted.

don['t try to cloud the issue - the issue is that when over-representation at TJ is such an outrageous injustice to suck up all the energy at the cost of millions and other costs, we certainly need to address the EXTREME (I mean big fat ZERO in most cases) under=representation suffered by Asians who make up 20% of the county. We need 20% of Asians in all major aspects of the County including Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer since there is an extreme lack of inclusion for Fairfax county.

It's not clouding the issue to talk about what is happening at the ground level. Clouding the issue would be taking a conversation about access to an educational opportunity and trying to create a false equivalency with access to a job.

Jobs are MORE important one high school.

Exactly. They are outcomes rather than opportunities in most cases - especially the ones referenced here.

Pro-TJ-reform advocates rightly understand TJ as an opportunity rather than as an outcome. We are not interested in equality of outcomes but rather equality of opportunities.

TJ is frequently misunderstood as an outcome because of the competitiveness within certain communities to receive the offer of admission and the communal value of the bumper sticker. But for those of us who understand what TJ is through deep experience, we know that it is an opportunity that has been almost completely inaccessible to Black, Hispanic, and low-income students for essentially the entirety of its existence.

TJ has existed for 35 years and yet you can't come close to filling a single graduating class with the number of Black, Hispanic, or low-income students who have ever attended the school. When you have nearly twice as many Asian students in one class as you have Black students in the entire history of the school, you can't simply ascribe that to "choices".

So 35 years to solve the pipeline problem. Why hasn't it been done? what happened to all the white folks in positions of privilege over the years. Why did they not help solve it? Because that takes work and the right intent. I think one of the successful prep schools partnering with parents of Black, Hispanic, low-income students should be tasked with improving the pipeline. They'll make it happen in a few years. Now that's a win-win. Funding can come from donations and private sector. So no tax payer money is used.

As an Asian American against the recent changes, I support this 100%. I might even give money and volunteer to teach/tutor students.

DP. You're against changes meant to change/improve the toxicity of the school? Do you want the school to be unchanged or do you want to see different changes made?

What you call "toxicity", others would call "competitiveness". Whenever you have bunch of driven, ambitious, intelligent and focused students in an environment with them feeling that they have to score much higher test scores, obtain much higher gpa, much better ECs, etc etc. because of their race, you will see competitive behavior. You see this in sports, arts, music heck, you ssee even MORE toxicity at Sidwell where parents are actively sabotaging other students/applicants. Talk about toxicity.

Drop the "higher bar than others' set for Asian students, and you will see a significant lessening of the competitive behavior. Just human nature. Survivor of the fittest in these crazy winner take all economy we all have to deal with.

Call Sidwell parents and Sidwell toxic before you call TJ toxic.

I recently moved to this area from another part of the country and never heard of TJ until I recently read the paper and found this thread. My oldest is at an Ivy studying STEM and has lots of Asian classmates and he says it’s a very collaborative environment even though everyone is all of the things you mentioned above. Asian students presumably face the same hurdles for college admissions that they did for admissions to TJ, so why is the HS environment so toxic compared to the college? Now the college isn’t majority Asian so maybe the level of competitiveness is not as high there.

Outside of pre-med, I don't think STEM degrees are all that competitive. At least they weren't at my top-ranked STEM programs. Grad was majority Asian students.

Everyone isn't gunning to differentiate themselves for college admissions.

The remarkable thing is - TJ students think they’re differentiating themselves for college admissions by pursuing slightly different angles in the same overall path - STEM extracurriculars, internships, developing non-profits, etc. But they all get thrown in the same bucket and lose to kids who don’t look like they’re trying to impress colleges.

My Kid works for the admissions office at his school doing tours and student panels and he always get asked what does he think stood out in app that he was accepted. He always tells them there is no checklist you can follow. Just be genuine and study and do things that interest you and don’t start a non-profit.

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Anonymous wrote:Not really seeing why they would appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

They can't help themselves. They love spending other people's money practicing racism.

HAK is representing FCPS pro bono, just like PLF is representing C4TJ pro bono.

BS.

Apparently Verrilli is taking this on pro bono. Not sure Hunton's invovlement at all at the appelate level. Should be interesting, and clearly raises the profile of this case even more.

Hunton Kurth is still on the appeals team (at least two attorneys) and taxpayers will be paying.
See article below for information about the attorneys that will be representing FCPS. Not all of them are working pro Bono!

https://wjla.com/news/local/fairfax-county-school-board-appeal-ruling-fcps-thomas-jefferson-high-school-for-science-and-technology-tj-admissions-policy-process-controversial-discrimination-asian-american-applicants-judge-claude-hilton-virginia

Who approves these budgets?

Our elected officials. The Fairfax Board of Supervisors approves the overall funding. The School Board decides how to spend it. As far as I know, the Board of Supervisors does not dictate exactly how the School Board spends the money.

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian judges in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ not some fumbling fool who cannot think for herself.

It is a travesty that there is 0% Asians on the board and for pretty much all areas of the County government. It is not under-representation - it is a ZERO representation. Where are all the white liberal democrats screaming murder in this case? We want 20%.

Ummm . . . Put up a candidate. Can't win the lottery without buying a ticket no matter how much you pray for it.

cAn say the same for black applicants to TJ - apply in numbers more than 2 or 3 dozen than you may get more than 7 or 8.

In addition, Asians do run for offices and apply for positions at the FCPS or to become teachers at TJ and other schools but are not selected on the basis of race. Racial discrimination. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for Fairfax County.

For the Class of 2024, approximately 160 Black students applied to go to TJ. Though the number selected was officially "too small to report", meaning less than 10, it is widely believed that the actual number was six. A typical recent year would see about 200 Black applicants, much more than "2 or 3 dozen".

The changes to the admissions process resulted in nearly a 70% increase in the number of Black applicants.

Exactly, we need to change the rules for Asians to increase their representation level to 20% for everything in the County including grants and contracts. It will have the most impact and remediate the injustice and discrimination that Asians have been subjected to for decades.

The Asians who have been subjected to discrimination for decades in Northern Virginia (by and large, middle and lower-class East and Southeast Asians who live in the eastern part of the county) are TREMENDOUSLY HELPED by the new admissions process.

The folks who were helped by the old admissions process and who have come to dominate the process in the last dozen years are wealthy recent South Asian immigrants who settled in relatively closed ethnic enclaves in western Fairfax and Loudoun County.

You can claim "divide and conquer" all you want, but if you have any experience at TJ over any length of time you know this to be the case. The East and Southeast Asian populations at TJ have declined steeply over those dozen years or so. There's no getting around it. Koreans are most impacted.

don['t try to cloud the issue - the issue is that when over-representation at TJ is such an outrageous injustice to suck up all the energy at the cost of millions and other costs, we certainly need to address the EXTREME (I mean big fat ZERO in most cases) under=representation suffered by Asians who make up 20% of the county. We need 20% of Asians in all major aspects of the County including Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer since there is an extreme lack of inclusion for Fairfax county.

It's not clouding the issue to talk about what is happening at the ground level. Clouding the issue would be taking a conversation about access to an educational opportunity and trying to create a false equivalency with access to a job.

Jobs are MORE important one high school.

Exactly. They are outcomes rather than opportunities in most cases - especially the ones referenced here.

Pro-TJ-reform advocates rightly understand TJ as an opportunity rather than as an outcome. We are not interested in equality of outcomes but rather equality of opportunities.

TJ is frequently misunderstood as an outcome because of the competitiveness within certain communities to receive the offer of admission and the communal value of the bumper sticker. But for those of us who understand what TJ is through deep experience, we know that it is an opportunity that has been almost completely inaccessible to Black, Hispanic, and low-income students for essentially the entirety of its existence.

TJ has existed for 35 years and yet you can't come close to filling a single graduating class with the number of Black, Hispanic, or low-income students who have ever attended the school. When you have nearly twice as many Asian students in one class as you have Black students in the entire history of the school, you can't simply ascribe that to "choices".

So 35 years to solve the pipeline problem. Why hasn't it been done? what happened to all the white folks in positions of privilege over the years. Why did they not help solve it? Because that takes work and the right intent. I think one of the successful prep schools partnering with parents of Black, Hispanic, low-income students should be tasked with improving the pipeline. They'll make it happen in a few years. Now that's a win-win. Funding can come from donations and private sector. So no tax payer money is used.

As an Asian American against the recent changes, I support this 100%. I might even give money and volunteer to teach/tutor students.

DP. You're against changes meant to change/improve the toxicity of the school? Do you want the school to be unchanged or do you want to see different changes made?

What you call "toxicity", others would call "competitiveness". Whenever you have bunch of driven, ambitious, intelligent and focused students in an environment with them feeling that they have to score much higher test scores, obtain much higher gpa, much better ECs, etc etc. because of their race, you will see competitive behavior. You see this in sports, arts, music heck, you ssee even MORE toxicity at Sidwell where parents are actively sabotaging other students/applicants. Talk about toxicity.

Drop the "higher bar than others' set for Asian students, and you will see a significant lessening of the competitive behavior. Just human nature. Survivor of the fittest in these crazy winner take all economy we all have to deal with.

Call Sidwell parents and Sidwell toxic before you call TJ toxic.

I recently moved to this area from another part of the country and never heard of TJ until I recently read the paper and found this thread. My oldest is at an Ivy studying STEM and has lots of Asian classmates and he says it’s a very collaborative environment even though everyone is all of the things you mentioned above. Asian students presumably face the same hurdles for college admissions that they did for admissions to TJ, so why is the HS environment so toxic compared to the college? Now the college isn’t majority Asian so maybe the level of competitiveness is not as high there.

Outside of pre-med, I don't think STEM degrees are all that competitive. At least they weren't at my top-ranked STEM programs. Grad was majority Asian students.

Everyone isn't gunning to differentiate themselves for college admissions.

The remarkable thing is - TJ students think they’re differentiating themselves for college admissions by pursuing slightly different angles in the same overall path - STEM extracurriculars, internships, developing non-profits, etc. But they all get thrown in the same bucket and lose to kids who don’t look like they’re trying to impress colleges.

My Kid works for the admissions office at his school doing tours and student panels and he always get asked what does he think stood out in app that he was accepted. He always tells them there is no checklist you can follow. Just be genuine and study and do things that interest you and don’t start a non-profit.

EXACTLY. Admissions officers/readers/etc are outstanding at sniffing out canned essays.

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Anonymous wrote:Not really seeing why they would appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

They can't help themselves. They love spending other people's money practicing racism.

HAK is representing FCPS pro bono, just like PLF is representing C4TJ pro bono.

BS.

Apparently Verrilli is taking this on pro bono. Not sure Hunton's invovlement at all at the appelate level. Should be interesting, and clearly raises the profile of this case even more.

Hunton Kurth is still on the appeals team (at least two attorneys) and taxpayers will be paying.
See article below for information about the attorneys that will be representing FCPS. Not all of them are working pro Bono!

https://wjla.com/news/local/fairfax-county-school-board-appeal-ruling-fcps-thomas-jefferson-high-school-for-science-and-technology-tj-admissions-policy-process-controversial-discrimination-asian-american-applicants-judge-claude-hilton-virginia

Who approves these budgets?

Our elected officials. The Fairfax Board of Supervisors approves the overall funding. The School Board decides how to spend it. As far as I know, the Board of Supervisors does not dictate exactly how the School Board spends the money.

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian judges in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ not some fumbling fool who cannot think for herself.

It is a travesty that there is 0% Asians on the board and for pretty much all areas of the County government. It is not under-representation - it is a ZERO representation. Where are all the white liberal democrats screaming murder in this case? We want 20%.

Ummm . . . Put up a candidate. Can't win the lottery without buying a ticket no matter how much you pray for it.

cAn say the same for black applicants to TJ - apply in numbers more than 2 or 3 dozen than you may get more than 7 or 8.

In addition, Asians do run for offices and apply for positions at the FCPS or to become teachers at TJ and other schools but are not selected on the basis of race. Racial discrimination. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for Fairfax County.

For the Class of 2024, approximately 160 Black students applied to go to TJ. Though the number selected was officially "too small to report", meaning less than 10, it is widely believed that the actual number was six. A typical recent year would see about 200 Black applicants, much more than "2 or 3 dozen".

The changes to the admissions process resulted in nearly a 70% increase in the number of Black applicants.

Exactly, we need to change the rules for Asians to increase their representation level to 20% for everything in the County including grants and contracts. It will have the most impact and remediate the injustice and discrimination that Asians have been subjected to for decades.

The Asians who have been subjected to discrimination for decades in Northern Virginia (by and large, middle and lower-class East and Southeast Asians who live in the eastern part of the county) are TREMENDOUSLY HELPED by the new admissions process.

The folks who were helped by the old admissions process and who have come to dominate the process in the last dozen years are wealthy recent South Asian immigrants who settled in relatively closed ethnic enclaves in western Fairfax and Loudoun County.

You can claim "divide and conquer" all you want, but if you have any experience at TJ over any length of time you know this to be the case. The East and Southeast Asian populations at TJ have declined steeply over those dozen years or so. There's no getting around it. Koreans are most impacted.

don['t try to cloud the issue - the issue is that when over-representation at TJ is such an outrageous injustice to suck up all the energy at the cost of millions and other costs, we certainly need to address the EXTREME (I mean big fat ZERO in most cases) under=representation suffered by Asians who make up 20% of the county. We need 20% of Asians in all major aspects of the County including Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer since there is an extreme lack of inclusion for Fairfax county.

It's not clouding the issue to talk about what is happening at the ground level. Clouding the issue would be taking a conversation about access to an educational opportunity and trying to create a false equivalency with access to a job.

Jobs are MORE important one high school.

Exactly. They are outcomes rather than opportunities in most cases - especially the ones referenced here.

Pro-TJ-reform advocates rightly understand TJ as an opportunity rather than as an outcome. We are not interested in equality of outcomes but rather equality of opportunities.

TJ is frequently misunderstood as an outcome because of the competitiveness within certain communities to receive the offer of admission and the communal value of the bumper sticker. But for those of us who understand what TJ is through deep experience, we know that it is an opportunity that has been almost completely inaccessible to Black, Hispanic, and low-income students for essentially the entirety of its existence.

TJ has existed for 35 years and yet you can't come close to filling a single graduating class with the number of Black, Hispanic, or low-income students who have ever attended the school. When you have nearly twice as many Asian students in one class as you have Black students in the entire history of the school, you can't simply ascribe that to "choices".

So 35 years to solve the pipeline problem. Why hasn't it been done? what happened to all the white folks in positions of privilege over the years. Why did they not help solve it? Because that takes work and the right intent. I think one of the successful prep schools partnering with parents of Black, Hispanic, low-income students should be tasked with improving the pipeline. They'll make it happen in a few years. Now that's a win-win. Funding can come from donations and private sector. So no tax payer money is used.

As an Asian American against the recent changes, I support this 100%. I might even give money and volunteer to teach/tutor students.

DP. You're against changes meant to change/improve the toxicity of the school? Do you want the school to be unchanged or do you want to see different changes made?

What you call "toxicity", others would call "competitiveness". Whenever you have bunch of driven, ambitious, intelligent and focused students in an environment with them feeling that they have to score much higher test scores, obtain much higher gpa, much better ECs, etc etc. because of their race, you will see competitive behavior. You see this in sports, arts, music heck, you ssee even MORE toxicity at Sidwell where parents are actively sabotaging other students/applicants. Talk about toxicity.

Drop the "higher bar than others' set for Asian students, and you will see a significant lessening of the competitive behavior. Just human nature. Survivor of the fittest in these crazy winner take all economy we all have to deal with.

Call Sidwell parents and Sidwell toxic before you call TJ toxic.

Most people connected to TJ have no idea what goes on at Sidwell. We don’t care.

We care about the environment at TJ, and the health of the kids who go there. That environment is too competitive because you have too many students trying to do the same things in the same ways - NOT because they’re Asian or because they’re “pushed harder”. It’s because they’re all choosing to climb the same ladder when there are dozens of other ladders available to get to the same places. It turns into a circular firing squad as a result.

Thankfully, there are some TJ students who see the other ladders - and those are the ones who don’t engage in the competitive behavior, have a better overall experience that they remember fondly, and see better outcomes in the elite college admissions process.

So why are you so concerned about elite college admissions for TJ kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Not really seeing why they would appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

They can't help themselves. They love spending other people's money practicing racism.

HAK is representing FCPS pro bono, just like PLF is representing C4TJ pro bono.

BS.

Apparently Verrilli is taking this on pro bono. Not sure Hunton's invovlement at all at the appelate level. Should be interesting, and clearly raises the profile of this case even more.

Hunton Kurth is still on the appeals team (at least two attorneys) and taxpayers will be paying.
See article below for information about the attorneys that will be representing FCPS. Not all of them are working pro Bono!

https://wjla.com/news/local/fairfax-county-school-board-appeal-ruling-fcps-thomas-jefferson-high-school-for-science-and-technology-tj-admissions-policy-process-controversial-discrimination-asian-american-applicants-judge-claude-hilton-virginia

Who approves these budgets?

Our elected officials. The Fairfax Board of Supervisors approves the overall funding. The School Board decides how to spend it. As far as I know, the Board of Supervisors does not dictate exactly how the School Board spends the money.

Fairfax Board of Supervisors must represent ALL the citizens of the county. Asians must make up 20% of the Board of Supervisors. Board of Supervisors must be exposed to the benefits of working in a "diverse" environment where they will be exposed to different ethnicities and cultures that is Fairfax County and that will make them a better human being and better government officials. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for the Fairfax County appointed immediately to promote Asians in ALL aspects of the County government. We need 20% Asians on the school board. We need 20% of Asian judges in the county. We need 20% Asian judges in the county. We need 20% of top positions in the FCPS. We need Asian principal for TJ not some fumbling fool who cannot think for herself.

It is a travesty that there is 0% Asians on the board and for pretty much all areas of the County government. It is not under-representation - it is a ZERO representation. Where are all the white liberal democrats screaming murder in this case? We want 20%.

Ummm . . . Put up a candidate. Can't win the lottery without buying a ticket no matter how much you pray for it.

cAn say the same for black applicants to TJ - apply in numbers more than 2 or 3 dozen than you may get more than 7 or 8.

In addition, Asians do run for offices and apply for positions at the FCPS or to become teachers at TJ and other schools but are not selected on the basis of race. Racial discrimination. We need Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer for Fairfax County.

For the Class of 2024, approximately 160 Black students applied to go to TJ. Though the number selected was officially "too small to report", meaning less than 10, it is widely believed that the actual number was six. A typical recent year would see about 200 Black applicants, much more than "2 or 3 dozen".

The changes to the admissions process resulted in nearly a 70% increase in the number of Black applicants.

Exactly, we need to change the rules for Asians to increase their representation level to 20% for everything in the County including grants and contracts. It will have the most impact and remediate the injustice and discrimination that Asians have been subjected to for decades.

The Asians who have been subjected to discrimination for decades in Northern Virginia (by and large, middle and lower-class East and Southeast Asians who live in the eastern part of the county) are TREMENDOUSLY HELPED by the new admissions process.

The folks who were helped by the old admissions process and who have come to dominate the process in the last dozen years are wealthy recent South Asian immigrants who settled in relatively closed ethnic enclaves in western Fairfax and Loudoun County.

You can claim "divide and conquer" all you want, but if you have any experience at TJ over any length of time you know this to be the case. The East and Southeast Asian populations at TJ have declined steeply over those dozen years or so. There's no getting around it. Koreans are most impacted.

don['t try to cloud the issue - the issue is that when over-representation at TJ is such an outrageous injustice to suck up all the energy at the cost of millions and other costs, we certainly need to address the EXTREME (I mean big fat ZERO in most cases) under=representation suffered by Asians who make up 20% of the county. We need 20% of Asians in all major aspects of the County including Asian Diversity & Inclusion Officer since there is an extreme lack of inclusion for Fairfax county.

It's not clouding the issue to talk about what is happening at the ground level. Clouding the issue would be taking a conversation about access to an educational opportunity and trying to create a false equivalency with access to a job.

Jobs are MORE important one high school.

Exactly. They are outcomes rather than opportunities in most cases - especially the ones referenced here.

Pro-TJ-reform advocates rightly understand TJ as an opportunity rather than as an outcome. We are not interested in equality of outcomes but rather equality of opportunities.

TJ is frequently misunderstood as an outcome because of the competitiveness within certain communities to receive the offer of admission and the communal value of the bumper sticker. But for those of us who understand what TJ is through deep experience, we know that it is an opportunity that has been almost completely inaccessible to Black, Hispanic, and low-income students for essentially the entirety of its existence.

TJ has existed for 35 years and yet you can't come close to filling a single graduating class with the number of Black, Hispanic, or low-income students who have ever attended the school. When you have nearly twice as many Asian students in one class as you have Black students in the entire history of the school, you can't simply ascribe that to "choices".

So 35 years to solve the pipeline problem. Why hasn't it been done? what happened to all the white folks in positions of privilege over the years. Why did they not help solve it? Because that takes work and the right intent. I think one of the successful prep schools partnering with parents of Black, Hispanic, low-income students should be tasked with improving the pipeline. They'll make it happen in a few years. Now that's a win-win. Funding can come from donations and private sector. So no tax payer money is used.

There's a reason you're not in charge.

Hint: it's because you're unserious.

Serious people/thinking haven't solved the problem. Good intentions doesn't equal solutions. I am a business owner. If I was in charge, I would have solved the problem by now.

What would be your solution?

Or maybe we should ask: what do you think the problem is?

Read thread.

Oh, were you the “partnering” PP?

What specifically would you do differently than what they are doing today?

Why do you think you can achieve it in a few years?

How would you sustain in the long-term plan?

You have a lot of questions