That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

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Anonymous wrote:Joining the thread late, but to those who are defending BAT would you have sexual contact (with your penis inside the body or your fingers inside the vagina/anus) with your wife if she was passed out?

timing is everything. If I was fooling around with my wife, and during the fingering she passed out, it might take me more than a few minutes for my drunken brain to realize that if I was fingering away.

Cool. You've explained that part. Now tell us in what circumstances you would need to go behind a dumpster with your wife for this to occur.

Thanks.

It would take you a "few minutes" to realize your wife passed out??! I think most people would be able to notice this in under 20 seconds. And then do you leave your wife naked where you two are fooling around and just hump her unconscious body? NO. A good person in this situation quickly gets their shit together, makes sure wife has clothes on, and calls for help.

wait, you forgot the part about stuffing pine needles and dirt inside of her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Joining the thread late, but to those who are defending BAT would you have sexual contact (with your penis inside the body or your fingers inside the vagina/anus) with your wife if she was passed out?

timing is everything. If I was fooling around with my wife, and during the fingering she passed out, it might take me more than a few minutes for my drunken brain to realize that if I was fingering away.

Cool. You've explained that part. Now tell us in what circumstances you would need to go behind a dumpster with your wife for this to occur.

Thanks.

It would take you a "few minutes" to realize your wife passed out??! I think most people would be able to notice this in under 20 seconds. And then do you leave your wife naked where you two are fooling around and just hump her unconscious body? NO. A good person in this situation quickly gets their shit together, makes sure wife has clothes on, and calls for help.

Right??? What kind of intimate relationships do you have if you wouldn't notice your partner was completely passed out and unresponsive? Feel pretty bad for this dude's wife.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Joining the thread late, but to those who are defending BAT would you have sexual contact (with your penis inside the body or your fingers inside the vagina/anus) with your wife if she was passed out?

timing is everything. If I was fooling around with my wife, and during the fingering she passed out, it might take me more than a few minutes for my drunken brain to realize that if I was fingering away.

Cool. You've explained that part. Now tell us in what circumstances you would need to go behind a dumpster with your wife for this to occur.

Thanks.

It would take you a "few minutes" to realize your wife passed out??! I think most people would be able to notice this in under 20 seconds. And then do you leave your wife naked where you two are fooling around and just hump her unconscious body? NO. A good person in this situation quickly gets their shit together, makes sure wife has clothes on, and calls for help.

wait, you forgot the part about stuffing pine needles and dirt inside of her.

If he was fooling around with his wife outside, laying on dirt and a bunch of pine needles, he could easily get dirt and pine needles on his hand before fingering her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just read that prospective jurors are refusing to serve under Judge Persky, the Judge who gave the 6 month sentence:

http://jezebel.com/prospective-jurors-refuse-to-serve-under-aaron-persky-1781618871

People who think they're righteous are so annoying. The judge did nothing wrong. Attacking him is ignorant.

I actually think that sentencing him to being on the sex offender's list for the rest of his life is worse than the time he'll spend in jail. It also serves to trivialize that list in a way that is very dangerous.

Agree

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just read that prospective jurors are refusing to serve under Judge Persky, the Judge who gave the 6 month sentence:

http://jezebel.com/prospective-jurors-refuse-to-serve-under-aaron-persky-1781618871

People who think they're righteous are so annoying. The judge did nothing wrong. Attacking him is ignorant.

I actually think that sentencing him to being on the sex offender's list for the rest of his life is worse than the time he'll spend in jail. It also serves to trivialize that list in a way that is very dangerous.

It's not a lifetime sentence. He will get off it in time.

How long? 10 years? 20 years? 30 years? 50 years? Will he be able to ever be employed at a normal job? Will he be able to marry a nice woman and have kids? Will he be able to coach his kid's softball team or attend the father and daughter dance? Or live near the school? This guy's life has been changed forever and in a big way by this conviction.

Does the punishment fit the crime in this situation?

His life was changed 'in a big way' by his decision to sexually assault an unconscious woman.

[Anonymous]

Ugh, I just had a very fat woman taking up 2/3 of the seat on Metro and rubbing up against me against my will and without seeking my consent. I wish I'd been drinking to excess and had passed out, too. It might have made it more bearable.

[Anonymous]

wait, you forgot the part about stuffing pine needles and dirt inside of her.

If he was fooling around with his wife outside, laying on dirt and a bunch of pine needles, he could easily get dirt and pine needles on his hand before fingering her.


Actually, no. Sorry. Fooled around in plenty of forests with my husband and you cannot convince me of that.

Maybe keep trying, maybe after a few more shots, maybe, right?

It's nice to defend your friend, but you really need to stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I just had a very fat woman taking up 2/3 of the seat on Metro and rubbing up against me against my will and without seeking my consent. I wish I'd been drinking to excess and had passed out, too. It might have made it more bearable.

Sorry that you have to take the metro.

Maybe you should try walking?

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.

This is silly. In what universe do 2 people have consensual sex behind a dumpster, and then when people come up on you, the first instinct is to RUN LIKE HELL and leave a naked girl behind? Clearly he knew he was doing something wrong. He was scared to death of being caught because he knew he was raping a girl.

He was cool with leaving her behind, half naked with 2 dudes on a bike, in the middle of the night.

But it was just the alcohol right? Right.

If they went behind that dumpster and had the impression that they couldn't be seen...I can see how the guy would have ran if he heard two guys yelling at him and coming at him.

Why did they go behind the dumpster? Probably because that is where they could have privacy. Couldn't go back to his dorm (dorm rules? roommate?) and they sure as heck couldn't go back to her parents' house. Couldn't afford a hotel room. No car. So behind the dumpster it was.

They were both drunk off their arses, she passed out and the swedes came along and saw him humping a passed out girl. The cops were call...and things snowballed into a trial. That is my guess.

At the point that your partner passes out, playtime is over. You have to stop. If you do not stop, it's rape.

Your defense of this guy makes you sound guilty as hell, BTW. How many drunk, unconscious women did you have sex with in college?

I am a woman. I also partied in college and can see this situation with the wisdom of hindsight. I'm not "defending" this guy for touching this woman in a sexual way while she was passed out - he was dead wrong and disgusting for doing that. He had no right to do that to her. And he should be in trouble for doing that to her.

At the same time, I am not giving this woman a blank check to drink as much as she wants when/wherever she wants and not be accountable for the damage that she does to herself and others in the process. Nor do I give her a pass for hooking up with an inexperienced underage drunk guy and laying the complete and total responsibility for that train wreck of a night at his feet. He bears responsibility for what HE actually did - sexual assault is extremely serious. But so does she - blacking out on a public street by a dumpster is pretty darned bad. And I mean out of control crazy bad. Neither one of these people behaved responsibly that night. They were BOTH out of control. And something bad DID happen and they have both paid a heavy price for it.

As for why this all occurred behind a gross dumpster - privacy. They wanted to fool around in privacy and they had nowhere else to go. Turns out it wasn't as private as they thought and they were both a heck of a lot more drunk than they thought. But the victim will move on from this night that she'll never remember. This guy will be branded for life and that will impact everything he does from here on out - jobs, marriage, kids, where he lives, the activities he participates in....it's pretty heavy stuff. I don't know that such a heavy penalty is warranted in this case because I think that there is some gray in this particular situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I just had a very fat woman taking up 2/3 of the seat on Metro and rubbing up against me against my will and without seeking my consent. I wish I'd been drinking to excess and had passed out, too. It might have made it more bearable.

Sorry that you have to take the metro.

Maybe you should try walking?

I walk 3/4 of a mile to take a bus to catch a train. For that I deserve better than to have to rub up against a fatty who should have stood up instead.

Next time I will try to press charges. She initiated physical contact without obtaining my consent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.

This is silly. In what universe do 2 people have consensual sex behind a dumpster, and then when people come up on you, the first instinct is to RUN LIKE HELL and leave a naked girl behind? Clearly he knew he was doing something wrong. He was scared to death of being caught because he knew he was raping a girl.

He was cool with leaving her behind, half naked with 2 dudes on a bike, in the middle of the night.

But it was just the alcohol right? Right.

If they went behind that dumpster and had the impression that they couldn't be seen...I can see how the guy would have ran if he heard two guys yelling at him and coming at him.

Why did they go behind the dumpster? Probably because that is where they could have privacy. Couldn't go back to his dorm (dorm rules? roommate?) and they sure as heck couldn't go back to her parents' house. Couldn't afford a hotel room. No car. So behind the dumpster it was.

They were both drunk off their arses, she passed out and the swedes came along and saw him humping a passed out girl. The cops were call...and things snowballed into a trial. That is my guess.

At the point that your partner passes out, playtime is over. You have to stop. If you do not stop, it's rape.

Your defense of this guy makes you sound guilty as hell, BTW. How many drunk, unconscious women did you have sex with in college?

I am a woman. I also partied in college and can see this situation with the wisdom of hindsight. I'm not "defending" this guy for touching this woman in a sexual way while she was passed out - he was dead wrong and disgusting for doing that. He had no right to do that to her. And he should be in trouble for doing that to her.

At the same time, I am not giving this woman a blank check to drink as much as she wants when/wherever she wants and not be accountable for the damage that she does to herself and others in the process. Nor do I give her a pass for hooking up with an inexperienced underage drunk guy and laying the complete and total responsibility for that train wreck of a night at his feet. He bears responsibility for what HE actually did - sexual assault is extremely serious. But so does she - blacking out on a public street by a dumpster is pretty darned bad. And I mean out of control crazy bad. Neither one of these people behaved responsibly that night. They were BOTH out of control. And something bad DID happen and they have both paid a heavy price for it.

As for why this all occurred behind a gross dumpster - privacy. They wanted to fool around in privacy and they had nowhere else to go. Turns out it wasn't as private as they thought and they were both a heck of a lot more drunk than they thought. But the victim will move on from this night that she'll never remember. This guy will be branded for life and that will impact everything he does from here on out - jobs, marriage, kids, where he lives, the activities he participates in....it's pretty heavy stuff. I don't know that such a heavy penalty is warranted in this case because I think that there is some gray in this particular situation.

Privacy. That is hilarious. It is very easy to find privacy in the midst of a gorgeous campus at a party school. Literally, any of your friends rooms, the common areas, (which is a little gross, but certainly not behind a smelly dumpster) your frat house, your friends houses, your friends apartments.

It's a lot harder to commit crimes in front of people, though. I agree with you there. Especially when the woman is unconscious.

It is not so easy to rape an unconscious woman in public. Then, it does help to hide behind a dumpster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Just read that prospective jurors are refusing to serve under Judge Persky, the Judge who gave the 6 month sentence:

http://jezebel.com/prospective-jurors-refuse-to-serve-under-aaron-persky-1781618871

People who think they're righteous are so annoying. The judge did nothing wrong. Attacking him is ignorant.

I actually think that sentencing him to being on the sex offender's list for the rest of his life is worse than the time he'll spend in jail. It also serves to trivialize that list in a way that is very dangerous.

Brock Turner is a sexual predator. He had done this before. He was kicked out of a fraternity party the week before for stalking and harassing other women. He absolutely belongs on that list for the rest of his life. [/quote

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Joining the thread late, but to those who are defending BAT would you have sexual contact (with your penis inside the body or your fingers inside the vagina/anus) with your wife if she was passed out?

timing is everything. If I was fooling around with my wife, and during the fingering she passed out, it might take me more than a few minutes for my drunken brain to realize that if I was fingering away.

Cool. You've explained that part. Now tell us in what circumstances you would need to go behind a dumpster with your wife for this to occur.

Thanks.

Not the PP.

Ask the girl.

Turner got a lighter sentence because of the following:

(1) He has no priors
(2) There is no indication of him drugging her
(3) There is no indication of him dragging her behind the dumpster
(4) She was too drunk to even remember what happened so there is no record
(5) He was too drunk to realize when or if she passed out.

I am a woman. I truly do not understand women who think they should be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want, and then blame men when things go badly. Stop pretending that she was sober, he was sober, and that he threatened her, dragged her behind a dumpster, and assaulted her. Stick with the facts and only the facts, like the judge did.

That's a nice theory but he wasn't too drunk to try to run away when he got caught.

He was drunk - his blood alcohol proved it. Drunk enough to flee from two guys running at him trying to get him and drunk enough not to fully understand why. In other words, you have NO idea why he ran. You are making it up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Joining the thread late, but to those who are defending BAT would you have sexual contact (with your penis inside the body or your fingers inside the vagina/anus) with your wife if she was passed out?

timing is everything. If I was fooling around with my wife, and during the fingering she passed out, it might take me more than a few minutes for my drunken brain to realize that if I was fingering away.

Cool. You've explained that part. Now tell us in what circumstances you would need to go behind a dumpster with your wife for this to occur.

Thanks.

Not the PP.

Ask the girl.

Turner got a lighter sentence because of the following:

(1) He has no priors
(2) There is no indication of him drugging her
(3) There is no indication of him dragging her behind the dumpster
(4) She was too drunk to even remember what happened so there is no record
(5) He was too drunk to realize when or if she passed out.

I am a woman. I truly do not understand women who think they should be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want, and then blame men when things go badly. Stop pretending that she was sober, he was sober, and that he threatened her, dragged her behind a dumpster, and assaulted her. Stick with the facts and only the facts, like the judge did.

I am a woman too and I agree with the above posted message. The whole incident is unfortunate but the girl is taking zero responsibility for her actions.

You didn't read her statement if you think she's taking zero responsibility for her actions.

I did. It read like the statement of someone who sees herself as a victim, rather than a participant, in the evening.

[Anonymous]

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wait, you forgot the part about stuffing pine needles and dirt inside of her.

If he was fooling around with his wife outside, laying on dirt and a bunch of pine needles, he could easily get dirt and pine needles on his hand before fingering her.

Actually, no. Sorry. Fooled around in plenty of forests with my husband and you cannot convince me of that.

Maybe keep trying, maybe after a few more shots, maybe, right?

It's nice to defend your friend, but you really need to stop.

Wait - you think he stuffed dirt and pine needles into her vagina, separate from the fingering? You have a vivid imagination. A vivid, perverted imagination.